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60 Years Later: The V2 And The Space Race
securitas writes "In a two-part feature written sixty years after the V2 rocket was first launched on London, BBC News Online's Paul Rincon describes the Soviet-American space race, German V2 rocket technology and how the USSR and USA divided Germany's best scientists between them. The second part addresses the technological lineage of both space programs, the creation of NASA, intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) development and the V2's legacy. Another feature provides some context, following the history of the development of the V2 rocket from its precursors that began with space flight enthusiasts like Wernher von Braun and Walter Riedel, through its use as a terrifying weapon in the London Blitz, to the recruitment drive by the Americans and Soviets. Today the V2 rocket is being used as the basis for the Canadian Arrow X Prize team. The Arrow team has some pages on V2 history and the main engine thrust chamber. For those interested you can read more at the A4 / V2 Rocket Resource site."
told me on how they were afraid of the V2. The V1 made a loud humming noise and only became dangerous when the engine stopped. The V2 was faster than sound, meaning no advanced warning. It just went boom.
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It's my understanding that the Russian "Scud" rockets so beloved of wannabe regional powers are also V-2 derived.
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One of my profs was in the German air force as a radar mechanic. At the end of the war he was driving a truck back from Norway. The Americans were at Penemunde (sp?) and he tried to surrender to them. "Are you a rocket scientist?" they asked. When he said no, they didn't want him. However they were willing to trade his side arm for a tank of gas and he could go down the road and surrender to the British.
They might be a bit deluded when they think of themselves as a master race (well, only some of them do) but if they were to qualify it as a "master engineering race" then I think there'd be a lot less of us that would argue with it. From rockets to cars, they are excellent engineers.
If you are interested in "our" Germans from the parent's statement, do a google on "operation paperclip". It's very interesting... the US program to extract as many German scientists out of post-Nazi Germany as possible.
-- james
PS I mean to stir no racial tension by the use of "master race", merely referring to the use of a very well known phrase
- Surface-to-surface missiles
- Guided air-to-air missiles
- Jet fighter planes and jet bombers
- Airplanes transparent to radar
- Information science (before computers)
- Encryption technology (only comprimised due to physical reasons, i.e. someone stole one)
And many others. It's scary to think of what would have happened if they had a few more years to develop before attacking the world.Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
If you would like to see a very good comparison between the US and the USSR space race, starting all the way back in WWII Germany, you should go to The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center in Hutchinson, KS. The Hall of Space exhibit starts with the German slave camps building the V1 and V2 rocket, and goes all the way through to Apollo/Soyuez.
It is one of the few places on Earth where you can see an intact V1 and V2 rocket.
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Even if used at short range, the V2 was never "accurate". It had extremely primitive guidance, and was no better than throwing a dart at a map of an entire metropolitan area. There was no way to make it hit an individual high-value target.
http://prinzeugen.com/V2.htm
another project the US picked up and pursued.
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EXN.ca an article on the Canadian Discovery Channel about the relationship between Avro Arrow and NASA.
"When they were flying the Arrow," explains Gainor, "they decided that only one person should talk to the pilot, and that person should have experience as a pilot. At NASA, to this day, all the conversations with the crew are done through the capcom, which is always another astronaut."
All the V2's killed just about 4000 people, but in the process wasted innumerable resources that might have otherwise been spend on manufacturing ammunitions, airplanes and tanks that had a much better kill ratio per work hour invested, V2 was actually lousy as a weapon because of its immense costs. Only reason why it existed was because Albert Speer made it for some reason his own pet project and sold the idea to Hitler. The whole project cost about ½ of the US Manhattan project, but of the kill ratio was underwhelming low. Now the good deal happened post war when US and CCCR combined the nuke with the rocket and got nuclear ballistic missiles. Hitler's biggest mistake was the fact he never used chemical weapons, allied intelligence was in fact terrified of idea of German subs being modified to carry V-2, thus opening the possibility of chemical attack on say New York or Washington.
What was interesting is that it was the British, not the Germans, who were closer to using chemical weapons during the second world war, which would have been a tremendous mistake as at the time British chemical weaponry relied primarily on WW1 vintage mustard gas, whereas the germans had perfected and produced stocks of nerve gas agents.
Churchill wanted to drop chemical weapons on German cities in retaliation for the V1/V2 raids, but fortunately was persuaded against it. If the Germans had used chemical munitions against the Normandy landings, it is highly likely they would have failed.
Ref: History of Chemical Warfare(2)
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In "Leap of Faith" (Harper, ISBN 0-006-109877-9
... Joaquin "Jack" Keutner, with whom I worked in the early days of Mercury on the Redstone rocket program. Jack had some hair-raising flying stories to tell. In an attempt to improve the accuracy over the target, some V-1s were modified with a cockpit to allow for a pilot [air-dropped from a] twin-engine Junkers bomber. After being dropped free, he would air-start the "Flying Bomb." When they got within range of London he would release the bomb, then turn toward the French coast and ride the rocket home."
p. 172 "As we always said at the time, our Germans are better than their Germans.
"The visitors to Wehrner's house included
p. 173: "At war's end, a manned V-2 was sitting on the pad at Peenemunde, all tested out, fueled up, and ready to go. It would have been launched on a low-energy easterly orbit, Jack explained. The plan: to drop a warhead on New York City. That 1945 manned rocket flight -- sixteen years before the first U.S. manned rocket flight -- came within a week or so of being launched."
"Wehrner confided to me that the Germans were testing more than rockets at Peenemunde. "Some of the craft we were developing," he said, "were far ahead of anything the rest of the world had or knew about."
p. 170: After a V-2 first hit London, Wehrner remarked to his colleagues, "the rocket worked perfectly, except for landing on the wrong planet."
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One of the first broken V2s ever captured by, or, in effect given to the allies landed in southern Sweden in July 21st 1944. It was the result of a failed test flight, and it scared the living hell out of some relatives of mine.
Read more at Linus Walleij's site covering the topic. Interesting reading.
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In the twilight, unknown"
Look at how the US fights wars now... the WW2 bombers had to be nearly with in small-arms fire to have a reliable bombing run... now we fire cruise missles from 1000Mi away without "endangering" our own troops. We'd have never "invaded" iraq or afganastan without the V2's decendants.
The Germans were WAY ahead of their time in weapons development...had they [and japan] not picked the wrong fights [russia/ pearl harbor] the US/ russia would never have entered the war...and Germany would have easily finisihed the job.
I worked for two of the Paperclippers as an Air Force lieutenant, doing a Master's thesis project on an ion-stream space propulsion gizmo at Wright-Patterson AFB in 1964. The head of the lab was Hans von Ohain, who invented the jet engine at the same time as Frank Whittle in England, although they didn't know about each other...my thesis advisor was Herr Erich Soehngen. He was a Herr instead of a Doktor because -- I am not making this up -- the Eighth Air Force bombed his homework.
Yes, a lot of our technology owes its existence to war, especially in the 20th century. War was the central fact of our existence, and we lavished our genius and our treasure on it, and tried to deal with the human sacrifice. Well, now that crop of bastards is gone, and we still have the spaceships, high-speed airplanes, and even my lovely German-built sailplane, whose roots date back to a covert program that trained a cadre of pilots for the Luftwaffe. As Jesse Owens said on revisiting the Olympic stadium in Berlin in his old age, "I'm here. Hitler isn't. That about sums it up."
rj