Batch-o-Moz: Firefox, Thunderbird, Suite Released

bluephone writes "Today Mozilla.org has unleashed a triple threat; Firefox 1.0PR, Thunderbird 0.8, and Mozilla Suite 1.7.3. Wow. Lots of news in all three fronts. so, for your release notes, sys-requirements, what's new, and download links, here you go. Firefox, Thunderbird, and Mozilla Suite. Enjoy."

Comments

your mission, should you choose to accept it ...

[spiny]

is to convert an I.E. / outlook user to Mozilla / Thunderbird today ...

go on, you know it makes sense - if anything it'll make the internet faster without all the outlook generated spam flying around.

Installed easily enough

[cs02rm0]

It said my adblock version was out of date, asked if I wanted it to go and update it for me... yes please :)

WebDeveloper toolbar seems fine.

Triple threat?

[Anonymous Coward]

Should this not read "triple treat"?

Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it ..

[madfgurtbn]

Pop-up blocking, annoyance killing is *the* selling point of firefox.

Be sure to show newbies how to use tabs and find-as-you-type! IE will soon be blocking popups.

Re:Might this spell an end...

[edremy]

I have to admit I find it ironic that the premier "Open Source rules, MS drools!" site works perfectly in IE and needs 2-3 refreshes to even manage to render poorly in Firefox. Black on black text and margin errors and blank screens, oh my.

There's nothing like being unable to read the latest IE bashing thread because Firefox can't render the /. page.

Yes, PLEASE FIX THIS

[Anonymous Coward]

I open everything in new windows and usually close them using the keyboard. That does not work if the focus is wrong, etc. Mouse-centric folk won't notice this much but it is a killer for me.

Agreed, I run across it all the time myself. I use tabs, and other tabs are always stealing the focus as I'm typing. This can be a serious security issue because this will often happen as I'm typing in username/passwords and I'll realize that I've typed my password into some other tab and submitted it when I pressed [return].

Still no MSI package

[upside]

For my computer at home I prefer a straight binary with no installer crap, but for corporate deployment a multiuser-friendly MSI package is a must. It's the only thing I miss in FireFox. The point is to deploy FF from a server and have it working for low privilege users without them having to do any work.

There are some hacks about but I haven't managed to get it working in a satisfactory manner. I'd deploy it across the entire organisation (100 or so PCs) at the drop of a hat if I had a working MSI package. It's a school, too, so many accounts and users per machine.

Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it ..

[Haydn Fenton]

While I would have agreed with you several months back about Outlook having better features and whatnot, Outlook, for no apparent reason (good ol' MS software), started having a mysterious problem with passwords which meant I couldn't access any of my emails on any of my accounts. Having used Thunderbird in it's early releases, I wasn't too keen about swapping back to it, but I had no other choice (well, apart from webmail, but then I can't tell whenever I recieve emails, which is always a pain).
After swapping back, I had realised that Thunderbird had improved greatly and I'm very glad that Outlook b0rked up, otherwise I'd probably still be using it now.

Thunderbird probably does have a lot of features that Outlook doesn't have (or at least didn't appear to have), but I'm perfectly happy with the features Thunderbird does have and I don't require anything extra from it. It's interface looks much better than Outlooks boring GUI and it's junk mail filter is also extremely accurate, IMO - having marked around 98% of my junk emails as junk emails, with only 1 or 2 false positives in the whole time I've used it.

Anyway, you mustn't forget that features shouldn't be the only reason to swap over.. Outlook does have severe security issues that need to be addressed (anyone have a link to that bug where people aren't supposed to start emails with a certain word, because it makes Outlook think the rest of the email is actually a file? HAH!). Yeah, Thunderbird might have security issues too, but I seel much safer with TB than OL.

My 2c.

Odd Firefox behavior

[Schwartzboy]

I've never has the problem you describe on either of my Win98 machines , but then I haven't been home yet to install RC1 on them either. I have, however, gotten the follwing message and some variants after closing some tabs after opening several at once:

"TypeError: arrViewNodes[j].contentWindow has no properties"

I can consistently reproduce it by opening a new tab that's blank & then closing after a few seconds or a few minutes without loading anything into it. This is on a WinXP Pro machine (no SP2, thank you very much) with an RC1 install that's less than an hour old.

Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it ..

[carlos_benj]

I'd actually recommend turning off tabs, just because the newbies will probably be less likely to use Firefox if they have to deal with tabs since it's something different than they're used to.

So far, everyone I've shown tabs to was at least intrigued if not downright ecstatic.

mickey mouse.

[vena]

first, i love firefox, it's a wonderful product.

but i still have to uninstall before upgrading on many of the machines here, and it's ridiculous now to call this a 1.0PR with that problem still around.

also, from the release notes:

It should not be necessary to create a new profile when you upgrade from a previous version of Firefox providing you do disable all extensions from the prior version before upgrading. To do this, open the old version and open Tools > Options and click the Extensions panel. Click on each of the extensions listed and choose Disable Extension. Click OK to close the Options window. Now it is safe to install Firefox.

if you know this is the case, mister firefox, why the hell does your installer not do it for me?

you want mass adoption, but you continue with this mickey mouse crap of not being able to handle upgrades in any sort of efficient manor. i'm sorry, but you won't see mass adoption like that, and i'm afraid you've already gained the reputation.

Sunbird has a new Build

[spin2cool]

The calendar project (aka Sunbird) got a new build the other day too. It's still in 2.0, but is very stable in my experience, and features are being added rapidly. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/

Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it ..

[ChaosDiscord]

I showed one of my relatives Firefox too, but he wasn't too interested - even though he had reformatted his HDD twice or thrice cuz of spyware and scum coming in thru IE.

That's the key. "I warned you that your system turned to crap because you were using IE. I suggested you use Firefox. You declined. Now your system has turned to crap again. I can't justify coming over every six months to rescue you from IE. I understand that LocalBusinessName has technicians available at reasonable rates. Call me when you're willing to switch."

Either way you spend less time repairing computers for free; you win either way.