U.S. IT jobs Down 400K Since 2001

Cryofan writes "A research study shows that American information technology industry 'lost 403,300 jobs between March 2001, when the recession began, and April 2004.' Over half of those jobs - 206,300 - were lost after the recession was declared over in November 2001. In all, the job market for high-tech workers shrank by 18.8 percent, to 1,743,500, between March 2001 and April 2004. And the bloodletting continues -- as reported here on Slashdot earlier this year, the number of employed Software Engineers fell by 15% from April to July of 2004 (from 856,000 to 725,000)."

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Re:It is not just bush, but neoliberalism itself

[Izaak]

All politicians are liars. I'd rather have Clinton as president and get a balanced budget instead of national health care versus a talking chimpanzee promising whatever he's promising and getting "National Security".

I've been recommending people to FactCheck.org to see past all the political spin and really learn about the issues before the election. Factcheck is a non-partisan voter advocacy group that does a great job of separating fact from fiction in the midst of all the mudslinging going on.

Re:Sources please..

[Izago909]

Sorry for the broken links:

http://www.poe-news.com/stories.php?poeurlid=32085 http://archive.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/02 /23/mcjobs/ http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=37255 http://www.canuckflack.com/archives/000084.html http://www.bradcarson.com/pressreleases/archives/0 00416.php

Are we to equate a worker on an assembly line to the punk messsing up my order at McDonalds? Saying fast food workers are part of the manufacturing sector is a clever way to say that America is gaining manufacturing jobs. Too bad it's like Enron filing debits to collectors as assets.

Re:Hold on a minute.

[Brandybuck]

Wow four years later and it's still Clinton's fault huh? Nothing Bush did in the last four years had any effect on the economy whatsoever huh?

First, I didn't say it was Clinton's fault, I only said it happened during his tenure. Second, the effects of a market correction do not occur instantly, so you cannot expect all economic influences from the time of Clinton to cease the day Bush took office.

I know the chic thing to do is to blame Bush for the bad economy, but from where I stand the economy isn't doing too badly. If the voters follow their pocket books, he'll win the election. The programming side of the tech sector got hit hard, and that probably affets you, but otherwise we're looking at a pretty good unemployment rate.

To put a personal spin on things, I don't have any friends, relatives or neighbors that are unemployed. A coworker whose contract ran out last month has already found a new permanant non-contractor job at a higher salary.

Thanks to Bush we no longer have to put up with booming markets, pool tables and laundramats in the workplace or those silly 75K salaries.

If you were like me, you milked those years for all they were worth. But don't imagine for a minute that it represented the normal state of a healthy economy. Complaining about Bush not restoring a speculative market bubble is rather silly.

Re:Analysis of Outsourcing, H-1Bs, and Illegal Ali

[shobadobs]

No, free trade helps both countries. Just look at how hurt many industries were when Bush raised protectionist tariffs on steel: the steel industry was happy, but the rest of the country got hit with higher supply costs.

Re:Analysis of Outsourcing, H-1Bs, and Illegal Ali

[admiralh]

"I was a couragous soldier in Vietnam!" "What do you mean everyone else that was with me says I was a coward and an idiot! SHIT the truth is out!"

All of the claims by that Swift Boat group that ran those ads have been thouroghly debunked. One of them even got the same award Kerry did from the same incident. And ask the guy Kerry pulled from the water if Kerry was a coward?

It's also been well-documented that that Swift Boat group consisted of mostly Republican activists who had, if not direct/illegal ties to the Bush campaign, at least a wink-wink-nudge-nudge ties.

The fact is that you wing-nuts can't stand it when someone who served in Vietnam criticizes the Bushes, but let's look at the record.

• John McCain - Vietnam POW.
  Bushies say: Manchurian Candidate - fathered a child with a black woman.
• Max Cleland - Lost three limbs in Vietnam.
  Bushies say: He's unpatriotic because he thinks Homeland Security workers ought to be able to unionize.
• John Kerry - 3 Purple hearts (and still has sharpnel in his thigh), Bronze Star, Silver Star
  Bushies say: Didn't earn the medals. Wounds not sufficiently serious. Vietnam vets had their "feelings hurt" when Kerry testified as to the war crimes that soldiers were ordered to do.

Yeah I want a guy that cant make up his mind and lies about is service duty. And you cant say Bush lied because its all there. Even though they try and make something out of his record theres nothing there to bash him about. :) I love liberal media.

Nothing to bash Bush about? Let's look at the President's "record"

• Gained entrace to Yale as a "legacy", since his entrance exam scores would not have qualified.
• Scored the minimum on the pilot qualifying test, but still jumps ahead of thousands on a waiting list to get into the Texas Air National Guard's "Champagne Unit", along with sons orf other prominent Texans (including Democrat Lloyd Bentsen) and members of the Dallas Cowboys. It was well known that this unit would never get called to go into Vietnam, since the decision had been made early on in Vietnam not to callup reservists or Guard members, but to use regular army and draftees.
• Did not report for a mandatory physical (right after drug tests were instituted, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence) and was stripped of his pilot's wings as a result, effectively throwing a million or so dollars of pilot training down the drain.
• Requested a trnsfer from Texas to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign, but the records of what he actually did there, if anything, are spotty at best.
• Was released from his guard duty months early so he could attend Harvard Business School, where he routinely got "gentlemen's C's". One professor said he would sit in the back row of class wearing his flight jacket, and throw spitballs during class.

His business record is no better.

And as to the "liberal media", they have given Bush a free ride for a long time now. They held Al Gore to far tougher standards of "truth" then they've ever held Bush, and they're doing it again to Kerry. If you want to continue your delusional right-wing thinking, go ahead, but don't go crying "liberal media" whenever they bring up inconvenient facts which challenge your pre-conceived notions.