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Mouse May be Replaced by "Nouse"

mteichrob writes "A Canadian inventor has designed a computer mouse steered by movements of the nose and eyelids. The invention, dubbed a "Nouse," is meant to help people with a disability use a computer. I think this could also be quite useful for the average office lackey like me! As good as my ergonomic mouse/keyboard combo is, less body movement is still a better replacement."

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  1. Questions by nuclear305 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A mouse that can be moved by the nose and eyelids? I think the most obvious question is, "What happens when you sneeze?" I'd hate to accidentally send a reboot command during a sneeze.

    I'd also be curious to see how it would affect twitch gaming where quick reflexes with a mouse are paramount.

    1. Re:Questions by vettemph · · Score: 3, Funny

      If your running that brand of operating system that I haven't used in three years, it probably needed a reboot anyway. (...or was about to crash)

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    2. Re:Questions by MarkGriz · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What happens when you sneeze?" I'd hate to accidentally send a reboot command during a sneeze.

      There are only drivers available for Windows, so this shouldn't cause any undue inconvenience.

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    3. Re:Questions by sbowles · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think the most obvious question is, "What happens when you sneeze?"

      Or when you pick ...er... scratch your nose.

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    4. Re:Questions by filtur · · Score: 2, Funny
      "What happens when you sneeze?"

      In windows that's equivalent to starting up a program.

    5. Re:Questions by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is nothing new. Alternatives to the physical hardware with which we interact with our computers has been researched for years. I haven't rtfa, but I'm going to assume that the nose is tracked and associated with the mouse, and two blinks == one click, and three blinks == double click. I did this over two years ago, and I know alot of others who have too, just go to any university. Anyway, tracking the nose is good, but I found tracking your irises(is that even a word) easier and significantly more accurate. I found it easier because you are already focusing on that area for blinks, you already know where the eyes are so there is no need to go searching for other features. Also, the eyes stick out significantly more than a nose, and depending on the lighting, a nose can be very hard to detect because it is skin and blends with your face. I found using the eyes for mouse movement more accurate because you have redundancy, instead of hoping that you found the nose (which you only have one of) and then hoping that you tracked it right, using the eyes you can double check all your answers to a certain precision (doesn't work with a "dead" eye). Also, the iris is clearly defined and surrounded by white in all people. Using the nose, or mouth, for tracking was awkward because as you move your nose up or down you have to move your eyes opposite of that direction to stay focused on the mouse. When you use your eyes, they naturally are pointing where ever the mouse is, and thats most likely your intended area of focus. One final note, as this is getting long, some people may be wondering why 2 blinks = 1 click, etc... Well at first I did have 1 blink == 1 click and 2 blinks == 2 clicks. Debugging this was hell! It drove me literally insane. My mouse kept clicking when it wasn't supposed to and I had no idea why. Then after quite a while of damn near mathematically proving my code to be correct, I realized it was me inadvertenly blinking! Now your thinking, "Duh!", but when its late at night and your on a roll coding and testing, you dont really pay attention to when you blink, I mean we blink all day long and never realize it. So inorder to effectivly click with the eyes, you need to add an extra blink. Just my 2 cents. Oh yea, I also am unfortunately no longer working on that project(I was going to release it on sf.net or something) but around the same time I migrated entirely to linux and my damn Creative Camera didn't have drivers. I'm still waiting to get a logitech cam, any recommendations?
      Regards,
      Steve
      p.s. I forgot to mention that tracking the nose is useful for one application that me and friends found, if you make a triangle with your nose and eyes then you can get a pretty good idea of the orientation of someone's head in relation to 3 dimensional space. Using the eyes isn't very useful for more then 2 dimensions.

  2. Less Movement by andyrut · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hooray for less body movement! Let's give this technology a test drive:

    Me: Twitches nose left
    Computer: Moves cursor left
    Me: Neat! Blinks
    Computer: Opens folder
    Me: Excellent! Hey, who put all this black pepper in my sandwich? Aaaaachoooo!
    Computer: Reformats hard drive

    Oh, and the Nouse has already been covered on Slashdot. Come on, a simple Slashdot search of "nouse" turns this one up.

    1. Re:Less Movement by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 4, Funny

      yeah, but I can't get the damn cursor to stop shaking while I look at pr0n.

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    2. Re:Less Movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The same test drive by Samantha (Bewitched):

      Sam: Twitches nose left
      Computer: Mouse moves left

      Sam: Neat! Blinks
      Computer: Opens folder

      Sam: Excellent! Twitches nose left then right then left then right
      Computer: Computer replaces Dick York with Dick Sargent

      Sam: (sneezes)
      Florida gets overrun with hurricanes.

  3. pr0n in my cache... by JustDisGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    no - really, I just sneezed!

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    1. Re:pr0n in my cache... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would explain the sticky keyboard

  4. No handed navigation? by phyruxus · · Score: 5, Funny
    MMMmmmmmmm....... :)

    What? I like to eat soup while I surf the web.. ya' perv.

    ;)

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  5. Counterstrike... by mtrisk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can just see it now!
    *Wiggle*
    *Sniff*
    HEADSHOT!

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  6. Eying your way around the desktop by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Informative
    I thought they already had something like this that followed your eye movements.

    "The technology that watches you watching IT"

    Department of Homeland Security Approved

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  7. even more sedentary? by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    less body movement is still a better replacement.

    Perhaps if your goal is to become as fit as Stephen Hawking, but through lack of exercise rather than disease.

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  8. Hmm...handless scrolling... by nastro · · Score: 2, Funny

    The porn browsing possibilities seem endless!

    Fap fap fap...

  9. Nouse for Nose As Mouse? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it's the same one (I couldn't access the CBC report linked to so I googled it) then it's much more than just using your nose and eyelids for a mouse- it's full face tracking software at a subpixel resolution.

    Which is a really cool idea- it means that a webcam can replace the mouse.

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  10. Good Lord No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great for people with disabilities, but...

    But how the hell will we, as IT people, make it look like we are frantically busy without lots of keyboard mashing and mouse piloting?!?!?!

  11. Hmm by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 3, Informative
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  12. Can a "nouse" become a "noose"? by YetAnotherName · · Score: 2, Funny

    When office politics, job stress, insane deadlines, an IT support from hell drive you insane, you might just well find it impossible to use your nouse due to all the nervous twitching.

    That's when a wired mouse is still handy ... in only few simple steps it can transform into a noose!

  13. Would it really be less tiring? by Krondor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As good as my ergonomic mouse/keyboard combo is, less body movement is still a better replacement.

    I don't know about you, but this seems like it would get very tiring. I mean I can't flare my nostrils all day, the muscles in my nose start to get sore. What about people that have twitches, tics, or whatever you like to call it. Not to mention the sneezes (I know somebody already mentioned it in an earlier thread).

    The geek in me does really want to try this though, unless you have a disablility though it's definitely a novelty.

  14. Nouse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone besides me read this as "No Use"?

  15. Nouse Shmouse... by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'll be impressed when they train a real mouse to type, point, click etc in response to voice commands.

    That'll also make it more fun when Windows crashes, because I'll have something more cuddly/furry to bang on instead of the keyboard.

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  16. Better idea... by wicka_wicka · · Score: 3, Funny

    What about a pouse? Kill two birds with one stone.

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  17. Nouse replaces mouse? so what are they using now? by revery · · Score: 2, Funny

    Somewhere in the world, bathed in the light of a monitor displaying this Slashdot article, someone with their nose resting on their mouse is smiling...

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    or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.

  18. for the unix guys.... by mrpuffypants · · Score: 4, Funny

    or, perhaps it'll be replaced by keyboard

  19. hey... by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Funny

    I made something like this before - You could control things with your lips. I called it "Louse".

    It never caught on :(

  20. All jokes aside by Walter+Wart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We all understand that this will never replace the mouse and keyboard. Hands are just, well, more dextrous.

    But for some disabled it will be a godsend. High spinal cord injuries and other conditions can make it difficult to use or control the hands to the degree required by mouse and keyboard. The ability to use the face will make life a lot easier for these people.

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    1. Re:All jokes aside by toxcspdrmn · · Score: 4, Funny
      Hands are just, well, more dextrous.

      ... yet on the other hand, more sinister.

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      "E pur si muove!" - attributed to Galileo Galilei, 1564-1642
  21. What happens when you blink? by Jimmy+The+Leper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can't expect the average user to never blink when using a computer. I mean, I wouldn't want to have to click on something every 15 seconds just to keep my eyes from drying out. I guess they could have it only activate with a wink, and then it would only mess up when you got something in your eye. Playing a first person shooter would be kind of hard though...

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  22. MS Nouse by iMaple · · Score: 2, Funny

    Release: Microsoft Windows(TM) has a small issue with the nouse drivers.
    Issue: The system appears to crash often Solution: This is not really an issue this is due to the auto memory clean which is designed to fix the memory leaks in Windows and the applications and force the user to reboot once a day

    Issue: No I mean *really* often
    Solution: This is due to a small problem with the Nouse drivers. The problem is due to Nouse inc. and is not by MS, though we wrote and certified the drivers. The OS accidently thnks that the eye blink to be Crt+Alt+Del. The original intention was Crtl+Alt+Del = left eye half blink, right eye full blink and simultaneous nose left twitch. However a simple fix is available , download this 1GB patch and do not blink your eyes. NO you can not blink you eyes when u run Windows, we mentioned that in the EULA didnt we ?

  23. jeez by PhuCknuT · · Score: 2

    As good as my ergonomic mouse/keyboard combo is, less body movement is still a better replacement.

    How lazy can you get?

  24. Re:Uhh, yeah.... by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you think the exercise you're getting from moving a mouse around is keeping you in shape, you're probably a hopeless case anyway.

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  25. Dmitry "Nouse" Gorodnichy's Homepage by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can find Dmitry (the inventor's) webpage here. Lots of interesting stuff, including some interesting facial recognition and tracking work.

  26. This is all well and good... by Snodgrass · · Score: 2

    ...until you get a bad case of carpal nasal syndrome.

  27. Nousea? by Schreckgestalt · · Score: 3, Funny

    When working with a Nouse, consider taking a break of 15 minutes every hour or you might experience Nousea that will prevent further work for the next 24 hours.

  28. Focus: follow eyes by nacks1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would be quite happy if just the window focus would follow to wherever I was looking. Can't say how many times I have typed important things like "reboot" or "rm -rf foo" in the wrong window just because my window focus didn't magically follow where I was looking. If they could get around to just doing that then maybe the days of "focus follows mouse" would be over.

  29. Mousersize by eander315 · · Score: 3, Funny
    I don't know if i really like this NOUSE thing. Moving my mouse around is the only excersize I get. I've moused 1,736,945,879 miles so far this year, and lost 3 pounds! I'm down to 268!!!

    On the other hand, the creamy filling from twinkies wouldn't clog up my optical mouse every day...

  30. Download it and give it a try by Da+VinMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here

    I don't have a web-cam handy, so if someone could give this a spin a let us know how well it works, that would be very much appreciated.

    If it works well enough, I would definitely use something like this to replace my mouse for everyday tasks. It wouldn't replace the keyboard, but it's always been the mouse that's caused most of my RSI-like symptoms.

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    1. Re:Download it and give it a try by finker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Alright, I gave it a whirl using my digital camera which doubles as a webcam. Nearly everytime I blinked it managed to recognize that, even without calibrating it. After I had calibrated it, it seemed to pickup my blinks a good nine out of ten times. One of the more annoying things is that you have to position the camera so it can see both of your eyes otherwise you get some very screwy results (kind of difficult when you have a huge hutch hanging over your monitor). Also, if your camera doesn't pickup light very well, forget it. I had to gather up two lamps just to get the lighting to a decent level.

      I couldn't test out the mouse/joystick abilities since everytime I attempt to do so it says, "This feature is not activated. Please register to enable it..." I'm actually pretty interested to see how well the mouse part of it works. Sadly, the Nouse painting program crapped itself everytime I tried to run it, so I guess I'm kind of SOL.

  31. Then I wonder... by Vexler · · Score: 2, Funny

    What would a device called "house" be like? A hand-drive mouse, perhaps?

    Oh, wait...

  32. What happens if your disability... by Ionizer7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    is the fact that you don't have a nose?

  33. Eyelids? how bout eyes... by milton_wadams · · Score: 3, Informative

    Prof. Tom Hutchinson at the University of Virginia has been researching this subject for decades. His system lets you control the cursor with the movement of your eyes and can track & record your eyes as you look across the screen. It's been in use for years for a great deal of UI research in addition to it's potential for handicapped users.

  34. Less movement not always ergonomically good by DeadVulcan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As good as my ergonomic mouse/keyboard combo is, less body movement is still a better replacement.

    Just because you're moving less doesn't mean you'll be under less strain. It's the naturalness of the movement (however big or small) that's important.

    Now, like any good Slashdottie, I haven't read the f...ing article, but if this "nouse" requires you to hold your head perfectly still, I can guarantee you that your neck muscles will be weeping by the end of the day.

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  35. current gui toolkits by PerlDudeXL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know the eye movements get be tracked, but I think for a good interaction with a gui toolkit it needs
    to be really acurate to hit a button without hitting the other one right next to it.

    Or selecting/high-lighting text.
    I think that can be tricky.

  36. Nose and eyelids are too limited by RZeno · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm no longer current on the research on pointing and control devices, and I don't recall reading any of Gorodnichy's papers, so for what it's worth:

    This approach, at it's best, could work as a secondary pointing and control device. I primary device requires a very high degree of control. The hands and fingers are excellent for manipulating a primary device because they are very good at precise, controlled movement and manipulation of other objects through tactile feedback alone and especially well in coordination with vision.

    The nose and eyelids, in contrast, are not capable of such movement and coordination. People don't have the necessary muscular control and coordination in their neck and facial muscles.

    The human body does have some alternatives to the hands that can be good alternatives to those who cannot use their hands and fingers: feet, toes, tongue, and breath are the most promising.

  37. Mega-necks by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The few people I know in wheelchairs have withered legs but very strong arms from all that extra arm exercise. They can crush cans with their finger tips like most folks can crush paper cups.

    What's going to happen to a nouse user? All that extra activity is going to make very strong neck muscles. Wouldn't want to piss the bloke off and get head-butted.

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    1. Re:Mega-necks by Uncle+Jimmy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The few people I know in wheelchairs have withered legs but very strong arms from all that extra arm exercise. They can crush cans with their finger tips like most folks can crush paper cups.

      One day when I was working at a petrol station a few years back, I looked outside after serving someone, and there was this guy with no legs filling up his car.

      He only just came up to about level with the top of the boot, so it looked a bit weird at first.

      Then, when he was done, he just `walked' inside using his arms like crutches (ie. put them in front a bit, swing the body through, repeat), paid (I had to take the credit card receipt around the counter for him to sign, he couldn't reach it) and left. Pulled himself up into the car and drove off.

      That guy had some serious arm muscles.

  38. Dilema by fcolari · · Score: 2, Funny

    The pretty girl in the cubicle across from me-- is she winking at me, or just right-clicking?

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