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The OS Community Embraces IBM

Joel Dutt writes "IBM... 'the corporation known as Big Blue has seen its reputation in the global open-source community shift from suspect sugar daddy to knight in shining armor.' Newsweek has an interesting article in its latest issue, discussing the relationship between the open-source community and the corporate giant."

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  1. I swear I'm not trolling, but by justkarl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    hasn't IBM stood behind Linux for quite some time? They've always pushed hardware that is somewhat Linux specific.
    Not to mention, no dork I've ever met didn't like IBM. They make solid machines. Pretty good software. So what's the problem?

    1. Re:I swear I'm not trolling, but by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So what's the problem?

      There isn't a problem. It's more of an "odd couple" pairing sort of thing.

    2. Re:I swear I'm not trolling, but by tonywong · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who has worked with and against Big Blue (note, not for), it appears that most of IBM's margins now come from offering services on top of their products, whereas in the past their profit came from hardware and products.

      This inversion means that IBM likes to vend their hardware and software in order to make a lot more money on the upsell of services in the guise of business integration.

      Now I know this can be perceived negatively, but Linux, from IBM's point of view, is a product that is offered for free, without any tier 1 service provider to make an upsell.

      Their existing marketing still relies on the adage that 'no one ever got fired for going with IBM.' And it's worked well against other Tier 1 vendors, let alone smaller shops.

      Now, they've got an open playing field by using free software, with free updates, and they get to profit from it for literally nothing.

      This is a bargain as even their in-house products require money to be invested for support and development, let alone production and packaging.

      The bottom line is as long as IBM can make $$$ from linux without any real competition they will stand behind Linux, and it looks like this situation will be a mutually beneficial one for a while.

    3. Re:I swear I'm not trolling, but by aelbric · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nor the Egyptians, Greeks, Mongols, Spaniards, English, French, Chinese, Russians (Stalin), etc.

      Computerization was never the prerequisite for effieciency. It facilitates it but, unfortunately, hatred and ignorance have no boundaries.

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    4. Re:I swear I'm not trolling, but by catwh0re · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yeah they're better now, but in the 80's they were notorious for going around bullying other companies with their massive patent portfolio, something which many suspect MS is planning.(With MS patenting sorting images by date for example.)

      Since then however IBM have found much better ways to stay in business, one of them is by being a good IT global citizen. Simply selling products in growing fields, rather than trying to use the american justice system to stamp out a new innovation & a new way of thinking.
      By using the american justice system to get what you want (rather than competing for it) will only foster the growth in countries outside of the USA, and ultimately put USA behind these other countries. (An example is RIAA vs P2P, imagine what would happen if the RIAA got their way.)

  2. IBM has something to gain though. by mind21_98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They really have done some great things for the open-source community. Howerver, by being affilated with the open-source community, they ultimately get more buyers of their products. This helps erase the market share of its competitors. Just something to think about.

  3. Re:Not to be a troll by The_Mystic_For_Real · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Open Source is not a panacea, requirement for life, or any sort of deity. Therefore, it seems foolish to treat it like one.

    Of course they are a company, with shareholders and the the desire to make a profit. So are Red Hat, VA Linux, and Mandrake.

    There is nothing wrong with a company supporting Linux, that's exactly what Linux needs to bring it to the attention of the general public. IBM has essentially been advertising Linux for a while now. They've put more money into Linux than pretty much anyone else has. This is what Linux has lacked: big money supporting Linux.

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  4. Re:Not to be a troll by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Interestingly enough, this Newsweek article hints at a material impact to IBM's bottom line that I haven't heard mentioned elsewhere. IBM's support of Linux plus IT professionals' and CS students' love of Linux creates goodwill that translates into some tangible gain when the IBM, HP, Dell and Sun sales reps come calling.

    Everywhere else, the press hacks mention IBM's billions of dollars in Linux-related revenue, but they don't mention that an IT staffer told to buy Windoze servers from either HP or IBM might inexplicably favor IBM because they're a Groklaw reader.

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    Who do you get to be an expert to tell you something's not obvious? The least insightful person you can find? -J Roberts
  5. The enemy of my enemy by jhylkema · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is my friend.

    Linux and IBM, strange bedfellows indeed. IBM is every bit the big, evil, monopolist corporation that RMS and the rest of the Linux zealots rail against. IIRC, IBM, too, is a "convicted monopolist" just as M$ is and Apple tried to be. The only difference is, IBM succeeded where Apple failed - they had the hardware *and* the software lock-in. What was the saying? Oh yeah, "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." Today, replace IBM with Microsoft. By the way, how many American jobs has IBM shipped to India or replaced with H1Bs under the pretext of a labor shortage? And how much of the same has IBM helped others do under the same pretext through their consultancy, IBM Global Services? But since they've chosen to embrace Linux because it's in their short-term self-interest to do so, all of their many sins are forgiven.

    Make no mistake about it, IBM doesn't give a ripshit about "the community" or anyone/thing else other than the Almighty Dollar. The only reason they're fighting SCO is because they're heavily invested in Linux as a way to compete with Microsoft. If IBM felt that it was in their short-term best interest to wipe Linux off of the face of the Earth, they would.

    1. Re:The enemy of my enemy by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Make no mistake about it, IBM doesn't give a ripshit about "the community" or anyone/thing else other than the Almighty Dollar.

      You're right, but you completely miss the point.

      Free software has never been about "it's free but you must pay your way by worshipping the software ideals and community", no matter how much some may with that to be true. Free software has been about "use it, but keep it free" (and sometimes, "share your changes" as well).

      IBM is using free software as it has always envisioned to be used. Commercial use is not merely tolerated, but has always been a GOAL. The free software ideals want corporations to rely (and play by the rules of) free software, instead of creating their own non-free solutions for people to become dependent of.

      IBM is playing by the rules - not by being forced or threatened, but in good faith to the ideals and rules of free software.

  6. Sun Jealousy towards IBM by gmajor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am a frequent reader of Jonathan Schwartz' blog, and one of his constant themes/rants is that the open source community respects IBM more than it deserves.

    In my opinion, other companies (i.e. Sun) are jealous of IBM's unique position and would like nothing more than to ruin that relationship.

    IBM, while not entirely faultless, has taken a huge risk in tying some of its business and marketing campaigns to the success of Linux. Even while having AIX. I wish the same could be said for Sun. Glad to see it's paying of for IBM, in the form of profits and community goodwill.

    1. Re:Sun Jealousy towards IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am a frequent reader of Jonathan Schwartz' blog, and one of his constant themes/rants is that the open source community respects IBM more than it deserves. ... In my opinion, other companies (i.e. Sun) are jealous of IBM's unique position and would like nothing more than to ruin that relationship.

      The funny thing is, this is exactly WHY the open source community respects IBM and not Sun. Rather than fixating on "how can I make Sun positive to the open source community" Schwartz is fixating on "how can I get the open source community to like Sun instead of IBM".

      Sun doesn't view the open source community as people, or equals, it views them as statistics-- it views "the goodwill of the open source community" as just another asset, something IBM has and Sun doesn't. They can recognize they have a problem in their relations with the open source community, but then they misunderstand it by viewing it as a PR problem. The reason Sun because Sun continues to think they can repair their relations with the OSS community just by talking and gestures, rather than actions...

  7. Show me the money by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IBM, last time I checked, made something like 45% of its revenue from hardware and 35% from consulting. Software accounts for a paltry 15% (the rest they make from finance). IBM is not in the software business, really. They make AIX so they can sell RS/6000s. They make VisualAge so people can write desktop applications for DB/2 databases, and they make DB/2 so people will buy mainframes. The consulting part of IBM is fairly vendor-neutral; I've worked with them to implement BEA WebLogic on Solaris instead of WebSphere on AIX for example.

    Software is an overhead for IBM. It's a distraction from hardware and services. Open Source allows IBM to sell hardware and services without having to pay to develop the software to run on it and/or implement on behalf of customers. That's the reason, and the only reason, IBM is into Linux.

  8. Re:Fits IBM's plans nicely. by MonsterChicharo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My impression of IBM is that they would prefer not to be in the operating system business.

    Even more, it is my impression that IBM would also be out of the software market as well, and comoditize it instead. The most profitable part of a solution is in professional services.

  9. Typical major media take on linux by QCompson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Open-source geeks are devout in their belief that software should be free to all..."

    "...and what the open-source community sees as a Microsoft front company bent on destroying their free paradise."

    Once again, the linux community is portrayed as a bunch of geeks pinching pennies, not worried so much about free software but rather free (as in healthy beer) software.

  10. Kudos to IBM for vision by cpu_fusion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's not often that a large company or organization manages to read the writing on the wall and adjust a business model accordingly. Just look at the RIAA, MPAA, Microsoft, etc.

    IBM realized that the software industry would change the most from the era of the Internet, unlike hardware and consulting services. A company expecting to make its bread and butter from software will be in a constant rush to stay one step ahead of thousands, if not millions, of unpaid software developers who write software for no other purpose than to have it the way they want. The Internet made it possible for those legions of volunteers to congregate internationally, as well as publicize and distribute for free.

    If only other companies had the vision to look that far ahead and make the hard decisions necessary to evolve.

  11. Re:IBM is not your friend by Blastrogath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >In short, they like Linux when they can make money off it, and will rip it to shreds if they think they can sell you something more expensive.

    To be fair, you were talking to sales people. There are few sales people who don't have this kind of attitude.

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    "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -Plato
  12. foil my head by scottking · · Score: 4, Insightful


    "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

    - Verbal, The Usual Suspects

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  13. Rubicon of Open Source: IBM Supporting Linux by reporter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The key point in the history of open source is IBM embracing Linux. Without the support of IBM, most commercial companies simply saw Linux as interesting software with reliability approaching a toy. Regardless of whether this perception is true, once IBM supported Linux and shipped mainframes with it installed, commercial companies were willing to entertain the idea of running Linux in their datacenters. These companies have faith that even if any problem with Linux arise, then IBM would surely fix the problem within 24 hours. Even if Linux were initially unreliable, IBM would ensure that it has 6 sigma reliability. Such is the reputation and commitment of IBM.

    The rest is open-source history.

    Interestingly, IBM's embracing Linux is one of the factors eliminating Sun as a viable competitor in the market for highend servers. 6-sigma Linux, backed by an army of free programmers and advice-givers, versus closed proprietary Solaris is tantamount to a battle between a F-22 (stealth fighter) and a Mig 17. No contest.

  14. They did by jbolden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft did save us from the hardware lock-in single vendor world that IBM was trying to create. The result is that "PC" hardware sells at just above cost and is available from a widge range of vendors offering an even wider range of possible products.

    Now we just have to do the same thing at the OS and office suite levels and...

  15. Where's the conflict? by mariox19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What would Ayn Rand have against Linux? Linux isn't communism.

    Open source is either a hobby or a different business model -- and that includes the GPL. Programmers contribute to open source or free software for a number of reasons. Sometimes it's to acquire status (i.e. make business connections); sometimes it is to develop a product and establish themselves as experts in that product, which will then make it easy to position themselves as consultants; and sometimes it is merely for the joy of working on something cutting edge with a group of other intelligent, motivated people.

    What in the above is anti-capitalistic?

    The phenomenon that is open source or free software merely illustrates that there are a lot of talented, motivated, and ambitious individuals in programming. Additionally, it arises from the fact that software is difficult to design. A small shop or lone consultant could not design meaningful, robust software (barring very few exceptions). Open source is a way for small entrepreneurs to strike out on their own.

    Sure, there are "hippies" in open source -- but so what? A capitalistic society makes room for free software as it does "free love."

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