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Hawaii Puts Old Computers To Work in Linux Labs

johnp pastes "'As pressure mounts to meet state-mandated educational technology standards, some Hawai'i schools with limited budgets are getting updated computer labs at a fraction of the typical costs.'"

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  1. not terribly surprising... by Daniel+Ellard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When you compare "commercial off-the shelf" prices for computers and software with prices of "recycled" computers and free software, of course you're going to see a big difference.

    A more interesting question is total cost of ownership; i.e. how much money this really saves over the long run (factoring in things like the fact that the PTA is probably giving the schools grief because the students are learning Office or similar skills that will help them get jobs... believe me, this happens). I'm sure someone has opinions (and hopefully data) related to that.

    An even more interesting questions is why our schools aren't adequately funded...

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    1. Re:not terribly surprising... by essence · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An even more interesting questions is why our schools aren't adequately funded...

      Maybe because most politicians are owned by corporates. And they only want the upper classes to get good education through private schools - therefore cut funding to public education.

      oh, and maybe if so much money wasn't spent on the military and prison systems, there would be plenty left for schools (and hospitals).

    2. Re:not terribly surprising... by Bull999999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And they only want the upper classes to get good education through private schools

      Books, such as Millionaire Next Door shows "wealth takes sacrifice, discipline, and hard work, qualities that are positively discouraged by our high-consumption society. 'You aren't what you drive,'". Your "average" millionaires live in modest houses, drive used cars, and clip coupons. They do value their children's education and thus increase their spending in that area. So if you value getting a large nice house, a new car and computer every couple of years, and buying other usless crap over your children's education, don't bitch at those who do just because they make you look bad.

      As for people sending kids to the private schools, I think that it'll actually help public schools as they still pay property taxes that fund publics schools, but their kids are not using up the resources of public schools.

      oh and maybe if us geeks don't spend so much on ultra fast computers and other cool gadets, there would be plent left for donating to Open Source Software organizations.

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    3. Re:not terribly surprising... by bwy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How can the TCO of Linux possibly be higher than Windows?

      Think Linux on the desktop and not server. For example, try converting a call center from Windows to Linux. The user has several different apps they have to use to access different systems, etc. Suppose your average employee maybe has 2 years of college or less and earns under $10 an hour. Typical person isn't tech-savy, but they've got a Dell or a Gateway at home and they use Win98 or maybe WinXP to do various things.

      Take this user and give them some flavor of Linux at work. You can train them on how to use their apps... but when the abnormal happens, the user is in unfamiliar territory, and an environment that frankly just isn't a friendly as XP. This isn't really a training issue either. Even IT guys like myself admit that things on the desktop are just harder with Linux. You can't just plug hardware in and expect it to work. Installing drivers is not easy. Heck, installing software isn't easy. People say when a Linux desktop locks up, it isn't Linux, it is X or the Window Manager. Explain this concept to your sub $10 an hour employee and teach them to open a shell, kill X, restart, etc? I think not.

  2. Great.... by gr8fulnded · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now that's out of the bag, Redmond will be on the phone by the end of their week with their Hawaiian office to offer "discounts" to the schools.

  3. Re:Great but... by PeterBrett · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Everything I've seen under linux is backend server stuff; not really the best set up for 6th graders learning the nuts and bolts.

    The first database software I used - well before I started high school - was MySQL. On Windows. Call me wierd, but I didn't find it hard to learn the nuts and bolts of that at all. MySQL is quite well documented.

    Then again, I suppose I was quite a bit more motivated than your run-of-the-mill high-schooler is.

    IMHO, the best way to teach people to use a database is via the backend-to-a-website route. Get them to make a website, and then keep asking them to add/remove/update pages. They'll soon be begging to be taught to add a database backend

  4. learning applications, or learning skills? by ChristTrekker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can learn concepts of point-and-click, copy-and-paste, desktop metaphor, and most importantly how to use a help system on any OS. Schools that take the perspective of "we have to teach them system X because that's what they'll use in the 'real world'" are thinking wrong. Teach kids how to think not just which widgets to click.

    And if they weren't screwing around in HyperCard on a Mac they'd be screwing around in Solitaire on in Windows. HyperCard may not be an application used in business today, but the kids learned some skills that can be applied elsewhere. If the teachers stressed that aspect of it, the kids will be OK.

  5. Re:Some Deal by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The copyright law should be applied universally," she says. "What is it we're trying to teach these children anyway? Are we teaching them that its OK to steal? The message we need to get to them is that intellectual property deserves to be respected.

    That quote from your Philadelphia link was from some BSA drone, but it could have come from the RIAA, the MPAA or, for that matter, Orrin Hatch. If I were an intelligent kid in that school system, the message I'd take way would be this: "stealing" as defined by (insert favorite industry group / misguided Congressman here} is WRONG WRONG WRONG! Got that? It is WRONG. But intimidation, lying, cheating, and misrepresenting facts and relevant law is entirely okay so long as you're doing it to preserve and protect your cash flow.

    So far as I'm concerned, let big business (and big government) keep their little "social messages" away from our children. This is a tactic long used by organized religions, totalitarian states and, for that matter, tobacco companies: indoctrinate children as early as possible, and as adults they will find it almost impossible to think outside the mental sandbox you've created for them.

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  6. Re:Wait a Second by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No, you just want them to be polarized towards something other than MS. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but don't kid yourself.

    I disagree. I'm a teacher in a mixed Linux/Windows based school. All students learn to use both system for basic tasks like word processing and file management. The ultimate idea is to teach them generally about computers so they are better prepared for whatever new systems they might encounter later.

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