Slashdot Mirror


Digital Generation, Analog Retro Chic

securitas writes "The New York Times' Juliet Chung writes about the latest technology trend: the growing popularity of analog technology with a generation that has grown up digital. 'Yesterday's technology designs are becoming popular among those in their teens and 20's eager to usher back a time they experienced only barely, if at all.' An MIT graduate student interviewed for the article, Ali Rahimi, was tired of the 'impersonal, unthinking' nature of modern technology, so he hacked an old telephone handset together with his mobile phone with the rationale, 'The handset has been going through about a hundred years of evolution in design and ... have the perfect shape.' According to Brown University technology historian Steven Lubar, 'When the available technology converges at a certain performance threshold ... consumers begin to base their choices on nontechnical considerations'. Chung also includes a sidebar that lists some of the new retro analog devices and interpretations, ranging from radio PC case mods to ancient clunker cell phones. Any other cool or interesting retro analog devices or hacks out there?" I've personally enjoyed owning tube amps on and off - the sound warmth, whether it be psychological or real, is definitely different then solid state amps.

25 of 419 comments (clear)

  1. Anyone by JaffaKREE · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone else reminded of the Futurama episodes where Bender rebelled against technology ? And de-upgraded himself to wood ? I know you are. I really want one of those RX-1000 robot workers.

    1. Re:Anyone by Baron+Eekman · · Score: 4, Funny

      It reminds me of a joke in the Dutch comic series "Fokke & Sukke", which goes something like this:

      Fokke & Sukke are amazed by today's technology

      (picture of them listening to a radio)

      "Incredible, you hear music instantly"
      reply: "Without having to log on to the internet"

  2. analog is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    fact it, if you only know analog, your career as an EE is numbered. I fired my last analog EE last week - the guy was stark raving mad, mumbling about some type of sea-moss. Those analog only guys belong in an old folks home

    1. Re:analog is obsolete by bsd4me · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is also interesting how many digital problems turn out to be analog in nature: termination, noise, signal coupling, power, etc.

      --

      (S(SKK)(SKK))(S(SKK)(SKK))

    2. Re:analog is obsolete by Komi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Analog will always be around. Why? Because the world is analog.

      Digital is popular because much of the design process is automated. This is why you can have 200 million transistors on a chip. It's cheaper and easier to create digital circuits. Naturally, it would be nice to put as much into digital as possible. But there's a limit.

      • You have to create the digital infrastructure. You need to create the voltage levels from a power supply. Sometimes different digital blocks use different voltage levels. Also, you need to be able to control these levels to go into low power mode, or sleep mode. And finaly, digital circuits are delicate, so they need protected from power spikes.
      • The environment is analog. So to bring in data, you need to measure it. Sensor applications (temperature, weight, impact, etc.) use analog circuitry. Also, these signals need converted to digital, so A2D converts are important. And if the chip wants to output back to analog (play some sound on those speakers), you need a D2A converter.
      • Wireless transceivers need to get their signals up to and down from the carrier frequency. This is done with amplifiers, filters and mixers.
      That last bullet is actually in the RF realm, but these blocks use analog circuit theory.

      So, analog is definitely here to stay.

      Komi

      --
      The ultimate goal of science is to unify all forces of nature to a single law that can be silk-screened onto a T-shirt.
  3. Nothing says retro like tube amps by KennyP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And all of the ones I've built in the past 5 years have no cases - the tubes are exposed so you can see them. Real retro. Real power (400W/Ch). Real sound. Even makes 128kbps MP3s sound good!

    Kenny P.
    Visualize Whirled P.'s

  4. Tune up the bass by Azghoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's all psychological. Or settings. I've heard a few people say they didn't care for their CD systems' sound. Turns out, they aren't using their equalizers for anything.

    Turn up the bass, and poof, sounds warmer.

    1. Re: Tune up the bass by c0sa · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's all psychological. Or settings.

      No, actually it's not. As a simple google search (oh the horror) will reveal, there are well documented differences between the audio produced by digital and analogue amplifiers.

      Turn up the bass, and poof, sounds warmer.

      Bass doesn't equal warmth; an analogue amp may well produce less bass, but the nature of distortion (even vs odd) leads to the effect we descibe as warmth. Even-order distortion is as unique to analogue amps as odd-order distortion is to digital amps, and this is completely unrelated to bass.

      I'm not saying that turning up the bass doesn't make shitty little systems sound better, because it often does. However, most shitty little systems come with shitty little speakers that tend to deal with bass badly (or are just underpowered), thereby introducing a far worse distortion.

      Using an analogue amplifier can make a real difference to your listening experience, and you can still turn the bass up afterwards...

  5. Resurgence of old by BWJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Certainly there has been a resurgence of old lately, but you will find this trend among any time where there has been a mass revolution in the way things are. For instance, the whole arts and crafts (Gustav Stickly, Morris, Green and Green, etc....etc...etc...) movement which in some part was a reaction or rebelling against the industrial movement of the early 19th century and celebrated the individual craftsman, designer and artist.

    Right now we certainly have a rebellion against the "digital world" in many senses with a resurgence of what is warm and old including the use of tubes in stereo equipment and musical instruments to growing popularity of "old phone styles", to automobile designs borrowed from older elements and Hollywood has been borrowing every theme and idea from movies in the past for many of its current releases in an effort to come up with something successful.

    --
    Visit Jonesblog and say hello.
  6. Imagine that... by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's really hard to believe that old trends are coming back! It's never ever been fashionable to wear/use items that existed before you could remember them.

    No one wore bell bottoms before the late 1990s. No one wore sweat shirts cut strange so they would hang off one shoulder before 2004. No one wore Daisy Duke cutoffs before 2002!

    Sadly, in this day and age everything that comes back into style isn't original. It's made by companies that are out looking to make a buck. So yeah, it's going to start out that trendsetters will make their own stuff for free but companies will pick up on it and resell "retro stuff" for the same amount as it costs to have something "modern".

    Bah.

  7. Re:Analog is better... by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In a lot of cases, analog is better.

    There are reel-to-reel tape recorders from the 60s that still sound better than a CD. And the best digital cameras are lightyears from the best optical ones.

    Besides that, there's the matter of how the signals behave when being degraded, which is the best thing about analog.

    Take analog TV.. You can have a ridiculously weak signal, and still have something watchable. The static manifests itself as white fuzz, but you can still see the image and hear the voices. I know because I watched plenty of New York TV when I lived in Toronto.

    A digital signal just cuts out. You either recieve it or you dont. It's either stuttery sound, blocky movement or gone altogether.

    I've had rabbit ears and DirecTV. I'll tell you, if there was some sort of catastrophic weather thing going on (tornados or hurricanes or typhoons, whatver), I know I'd have my rabbit ears hooked up to get my updates.

    Same goes for radio. How well would XM come in when the skies pitch black from tornados?

    --
    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  8. Vacuum Tubes by leperkuhn · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why I've resurrected my old ENIAC to play Doom 3.

    --
    http://www.rustyrazorblade.com
  9. Re:it's true by vrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People wear analogue watches because they look much nicer than tacky digitals. Wrist watches are essentially jewellery that is culturally acceptable for both men and women to wear. That fact that analogue displays are more readable at glance is merely a bonus.

  10. Who is preserving the trinkets of the 20th cent.? by gwizah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was wondering this the other day when I read some random posting on the internet about a guy who cleaned out a 1930's era RCA radio and crammed a miniITX board inside. What happened to the radio? He threw it in the trash.

    This worries me because that radio was created during a time when Analog sets were state-of-the-art and cost upwards of hundreds of dollars. The PC components he placed inside that wooden case probably cost the same, but will be obsolete in a few years due to the speed at which we are updating technology these days. The radio however, was probably in use for well over 20+ years until a tube burned out and the previous owner could no longer get a replacement.

    20+ years Vs. 2-3 years. I prefer keeping vintage electronics whole and in one piece. There are tons of resources out there for people who would love to get their hands on old sets and get them working again. The PC in an RCA case will probably be forgotten and discarded not soon after it's internals are considered yesterdays news. Much like it was decades ago, only that much sooner.

    --

    There is no spork.
  11. "Post 9/11"??? by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i strongly suspect this all goes back to the comfort things that people are seeking in our post 9-11 world.

    I'm fed up of the phrase "post 9/11" being used to explain changes in fashion and taste. Frankly, it would be easy to 'explain' most trends in this way, and I believe it's impact in this area has been grossly overstated.

    Fact is, digital watches have not been "cool" since sometime in the 1980s, and they are now coming back into fashion, this time as *retro*.

    I don't accept that *this* is down to 9-11; it is more likely to be another retro trend. The early 80s were a *long* time ago now; too long ago to be passe' any more, so let's revive it, goes the reasoning.

    --
    "Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
    1. Re:"Post 9/11"??? by LetterJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Umm. You do know that Rolexes have been around for a LONG time as status symbols, right? A high quality, hand made, mechanical watch, made of gold and diamonds has been a status symbol for longer than there have *been* cars.

      Similarly, hand-tailored clothing, custom architecture and anything else time consuming and one of a kind have been exceedingly expensive and sought out by the wealthy and emulated by those who aren't. Cheap wallpaper and faux finishes are a decorating trend to emulate the fabric finishes and hand-plastered looks in wealthy homes. It's all around you and has been going on for a very long time.

  12. Telephones by Alioth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After my grandmother died, the only thing I wanted to inherit was her old standard-issue GPO rotary-dial telephone. My grandparent's house was built at the tail end of the 1960s, and the phone was installed new in that house. My grandmother died at the tail end of last year. Since I want to keep it original (it's a reminder of my grandparents every time I use it) I haven't even changed the little paper disc in the dial that has their phone number and the usual 'Emergency: Fire, Police, Ambulance: 999' bit at the top.

    The phone is one of these and anyone who grew up in Britain in the 1970s and 1980s will remember them (and there's still quite a few around that have never been changed out for modern phones).

    They are pretty much indestructable, having an electromechanical ringer and solidly-made mechanical parts (including the clockwork dial mechanism with generates the LD pulses). So as I didn't even have to change the wire that goes from the telephone to my modern RJ-45 jack - originally I had planned to just crimp on an RJ-45 plug to the cable - I managed to obtain an old GPO junction box from the same era. You just need to screw down the little connectors on the end of the telephone cable into one end, then crimp on some of those little fork-connectors to the free end of a piece of Cat5 with an RJ-45 at the other end, which you then screw down into the original junction box - then plug into the socket.

    I'd also like an Ericofon, but I don't think without soldering resistors to the ringers of the phones to increase the impedance, the ringer current just won't make two phones with a real bell ring at the same time...and I don't want to modify the phones.

  13. Re:Speaking of analog being better by prisonercx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reminds me of an old joke.

    Audiophile (n): A person who listens to the equipment rather than the music.

  14. Re:Watches? Just say no. by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try getting a simple watch and ditching the cellular phone.. you'll find that much more liberating.

  15. Nothing new by Mr.+Cancelled · · Score: 4, Informative

    Aopen released a hybrid tube audio-based motherboard back in... 2002? Perhaps it was 2001 even... My analog brain seems to have problems with old, non-important dates.

    Also, it's worth pointing out that for most musicians, particularly guitarists, tube technology has never gone away. It may have gotten a little more scarce in the consumer world, but musicians have long known that tubes offer an element that while perceptive, often enhances any sound, digital, or analog-based.

    It's also worth pointing out that many companies are now emulating tube sounds. For example, I sold my old Marshall stack a long time ago, and moved to an Line6 AX2 tube-modelling amp. It's very impressive, and allows me to achieve many natural sounding tones, without requiring multiple amps, or annual tube replacements.

    T-Racks is a notable piece of software which can do wonders to your music tracks. Many of its functions are designed to emulate tube-based equipment.

    So while it's nice to see that more people are re-discovering the magic of analog equipment, it's not like it's ever gone away.

  16. Bushism alert!! (was Re:Tubes are our friends) by orcrist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, solid-state does not equivocate to "digital"

    *Sigh* I'm not normally a grammar nazi, but one of my pet peeves is people using 'bigger' words than necessary to sound more sophisticated... especially when it's the wrong word:

    equivocate
    Main Entry: equivocate

    Function: intransitive verb
    Inflected Form(s): -cated; -cating
    1 : to use equivocal language especially with intent to deceive
    2 : to avoid committing oneself in what one says
    synonym: see LIE


    Next time try:
    'Actually, solid-state is not the same as "digital"'
    or
    'Actually, solid-state does not necessarily mean "digital"
    or
    'Actually, solid-state doesn't have to mean (or be) "digital"'

    Your remark about politicians is ironic considering you seem to be trying to sound like one ;-)

    -chris

    --
    San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
  17. Re:definitely different then solid state amps by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have really gotten into the tube amp thing in recent years. While I know listening experience is a personal thing to each individual, I'm finding more and more people that come hear my gear say it sounds more natural...and in the case of my stereo amp...three dimensional.

    I just recently bought a used Fender Twin Reverb II amp...all tube. The guitar tone is just fantastic. My home amp is a little, very price friendly, amp I got off the web. I got the SE84C and have been VERY happy with it. But, you gotta have extremely efficient speakers...I have Klipschorns which are pretty retro too...as that the design of these hasn't really changed since about 1940.

    Also pretty cool...are the nixie clocks I've seen around...just trying to find one that is reasonably priced...and not made with tubes that are rapidly becoming unavailable.

    But, if nothing else....electronics that 'glow' are cool...

    :-)

    --
    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
  18. Would this be cool? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The hack I think would be cool would be to take a "brick" cell phone from say ten years ago, put in modern guts, interface to the original keypad, and then load it up with batteries in the remaining space. Get a cell phone with a month's worth of battery life.

    Or a fuel cell and methonal tank that would run it for a year!

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  19. Ask and ye shall receive by jackrd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is there such an analysis somewhere? Yes. In fact, there's about as many as you'd expect there to be. Here's a quick sampler:

    Tubes vs. Transistors: Is There an Audible Difference? (From the Audio Engineering Society)
    Tubes vs. Solid State

    That's just the tip of the iceberg, my friend. I mean, that's just generally the difference. Once you start considering different design paradigms, there's all kinds of other stuff to get into. The analog vs. digital debate, as far as I'm concerned, is moot; analog and digital can (and do) peacefully coexist. Some people like the way certain things sound, and maybe that thing is a radio from 1938 with tubes, maybe it's your solid-state computer speakers playing digital source.
    There is a lot of engineering that goes into making audio equipment and audiophiles aren't all rubbing bizarre cream over everything that enters their houses. Pick up an issue of Stereophile (although for actual reading, I'd suggest Listener) sometime. As much as you'll find it astounding what some do with their stereos, you'll also find it filled with graphs on everything from spectral decay to impedence to power to frequency response... There is a science to audio engineering; just because the results of that science may or may not appeal to you, doesn't mean they're not there.

  20. Re:Who is preserving the trinkets of the 20th cent by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The PC components he placed inside that wooden case probably cost the same, but will be obsolete in a few years due to the speed at which we are updating technology these days. The radio however, was probably in use for well over 20+ years until a tube burned out and the previous owner could no longer get a replacement.

    Don't confuse the two. Just because the PC won't run today's software, doesn't mean it ceased to function. For all the tasks it was doing before, it is still just fine and can continue to do them for 20+ years. The difference is that the external standards the radio was designed to deal with (frequencies, modulation method) didn't change while the ones for the PC (software, perhaps network connection) did.

    There are computers decades old still chugging along just fine doing what they were originally designed for.