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iRiver H320 (Almost) Hits The Market

skyshock21 writes "iRiver appears to now be taking pre-orders for their H320 hard drive MP3 player. This is the one with the color screen that was featured on Slashdot a while back. Although it doesn't support .flac files like the Rio Karma, it does support .ogg, in addition to the usual file formats (mp3, .wmv, .asf, .wav) and sports a nifty color screen. There is also a review posted on CNET."

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  1. Battery life? by NETHED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I for one, don't want a color screen. I want a battery that lasts me a month. I'll deal with a small, effective, elegant monochrome screen.

    Just my two bits.

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    1. Re:Battery life? by RazzleFrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know I thought the same thing about cell phones until I got my Samsung. The color screen is much easier to read in bright sunlight as well as pitch black night. The battery life obviously suffers but I have a charger at work and at home.

      The iRiver says it has a 16 hour life so figure 10-12 hours realistically. Unless you are flying half-way across the globe I think that should get you to and from work.

    2. Re:Battery life? by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I'm more concerned with is whether or not the battery can be replaced without returning the unit.

      Yeah, it's great to have a Lithium Ion but what happens when it stops recharging? Am I going to be able to easily replace it or am I going to have to return it to the manufacturer only for them to tell me it's out of warranty and there's nothing they can do?

      I have had too many devices' batteries go south without an acceptable replacement route.

    3. Re:Battery life? by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Giving that they usually sell the batteries for half the price of the unit (or close), in a couple of years when yours will stop recharging, you'll rather buy a new unit anyways...

      All these devices are slowly becoming disposable, simply because the turn-over is really quick and the prices are going down.

    4. Re:Battery life? by aardwolf204 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats just marketdroid speak. I've got a 4G iPod and under "Normal Real People" conditions it gets maybe 6 - 7 hours, which is still enough for a long car trip. Maybe they got 12 hours by putting a 4 MB 64k AAC in the flash buffer and set the ipod on repeat ;)

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    5. Re:Battery life? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, and the old 3G iPod can get the same gains with the higher capacity aftermarket batteries that came out. I bought one for $25, I get about 10 hours of life out of it now.

      The iPod's "dismal battery life" was a result of its form factor. Apple used the smallest battery they could to get a minimum of 8 hours playback, so you could listen all day at work. Now that there are millions of uses for batteries that size, many battery manufacturers are creating higher capacity flat batteries that are also mega cheap. Blaming Apple for using the best battery on the market at the time is kind of stupid.

      Incidentally, I will not be replacing my iPod with an iRiver any time soon, because while the colour screen is really cool, the device looks pretty large, has WAY too many click tactile buttons to break and ports that will fill with lint, the visual interface looks pretty dull (reminds me of KDE, ew) and the human interface poorly laid out. It is hard to use tiny little buttons while on the go...that's why the iPod has a huge fucking wheel (and why mine has large, inset, finger sized buttons). Why does everybody else insist on making tiny little buttons and putting them right next to each other? Aesthetics? Who sees the thing when it's in your coat pocket? If you NEED to make some small buttons, at least space them more than a thumb's width apart, so you don't press all of them at once. GOD, why is Apple the only company who can engineer a fucking device that doesn't feel like some sadistic toy?

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    6. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your story about design and battery improvements is nice. You can make excuses, blame Canada, or fabricate some documents about how Bush was involved in the battery choice, the fact remains... The iPod as sold right now and today, has HOURS less battery life and an increasing amount of "less" features then similar players also available in the market right now. The point of all Apple had available months/years ago is a moot point when they are still making it now and today!

    7. Re:Battery life? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the battery they're using today is, again, the largest capacity available at that size. And the battery life they get today is, again, 50% higher than what they got last year. So does this mean that the argument is, again, retarded?

      As for having "less" features than the other players: I think it should be obvious to anyone who understands mathematics that the massive deficit in sales between more expensive, "under featured" iPod and its competitors should be proof that these features are not what sell a music device. That the folks that are willing to trade a good user interface for a stack of features and trade weight for battery life are a minority in the market.

      Come on, recording? This isn't 1984. We're not holding our tape players up to the radio speakers. Recording is a very specific task that a music playback device does not need. If you're interested in recording, you probably want a device that was made to do that, not one that had it added on at the last second. FM? I'd never use it and I'd be pissed if they spent development time working out FM when I'd rather they spent it making iTunes even better. I bought a digital music player. I didn't buy a jackknife.

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    8. Re:Battery life? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the iPod has a ton of features I don't need. So really, it's 150% of what I need. If being satisfied with a purchase and not seeing any reason to fuck with it just to add features I don't need is your definition of fanboy, I stand so defined.

      Sorry your needs aren't being met. Maybe that's Apple's fault. Or maybe you have too many needs. Take a long, hard look at why you feel you need feature X: is it because you're doing X all the time and want to continue to do it, or because you might maybe do X, if you did it once and liked it, and want to be able to claim you have X support?

      Incidentally, iPod sales numbers can be mucked with however you like. Analysts comparing units sold come up with different numbers that analysts who compare media player chip sales. Of course, media player chip sales are not a great metric, as these chips go into portable gaming devices, cell phones, and standard CD players. If you buy a cheap-o boombox and happend to discover it's got MP3 support (as I did last year), you're not competing with the iPod. In the only Apples to near-apples metrics we have -- non-convergent Hard drive and flash based media players sold in US, Europe and Japan -- APPL rules by a wide margin. But continue to quote whatever numbers allow you to hate Apple and us obnoxious, smiling fanboys. It will make you feel better about being ignored.

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  2. Firmware by The_Real_Nire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hopefully now that this is about done for the US, they will get their act together and concentrate on the firmware updates for the rest of us, instead of ignoring existing customers.

    1. Re:Firmware by justforaday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      now why would they do that? they already have your money...

      /cynical bastard

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  3. Fine print... by RenHoek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1GB equals 1,000,000,000 bytes, not all memory space available for file storage.

    Euhm, so.... how much space DO we have left? Could be anything really.. Damn marketing speak!

    1. Re:Fine print... by twbecker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is that really a suprise? Pretty much ALL manufacturers use 1 million MB to mean a GB now. My 20GB iPod only has 18.5GB of usable space on it. You'd think they would stop this practice, considering how many "My new x GB hard drive is busted! It only has x-y GB of space!" support calls they get.

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  4. Um. by eddy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although it doesn't support .flac files like the Rio Karma, it does support .ogg,

    That's pretty close to a contradiction since we have both Ogg FLAC and Ogg Vorbis. You meant to say it supports Vorbis? Or is it just plain FLAC files it doesn't support, but Ogg FLAC is fine?

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    1. Re:Um. by tuffy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      That's pretty close to a contradiction since we have both Ogg FLAC and Ogg Vorbis. You meant to say it supports Vorbis? Or is it just plain FLAC files it doesn't support, but Ogg FLAC is fine?

      I don't know of any player that supports Ogg FLAC, much less a hardware one. They're all content to use FLAC's native container format instead. From what I've seen, Ogg FLAC is more of a proof-of-concept format - at least until the Ogg plugins start supporting it.

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    2. Re:Um. by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A little offtopic, but a rant that I want to express.

      I'm getting sick of the whole container/codec thing. Noone knows whats inside of a .mov, .wmv, .ogg, etc file. I know whats in a .mp3, .wav, .aac or whatever. I have a Mac with the latest Windows Media Player and it will not play all .wmv files. There is no way that I can tell from a filename that I can even view the file after it downloads.

      Every time /. posts an article about a portable music player there is the "Does it play flac and/or ogg?" And then people bring up the specific codecs inside of the .ogg file. If us technoweenies can't get it straight, how can anybody?

      Am I the only one that has issues with these multimedia containers?

  5. Semantics, semantics... by irokitt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Almost hits the market" is like "almost pregnant". Doesn't count. After all, Duke Nukem Forever has been "almost released" for about six years.

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  6. For all those dismissive of the iPod's interface, by burgburgburg · · Score: 2, Insightful
    take a look at the frickin' mess of an interface on this thing! Yeech.

    On a separate note, why are they putting off until a later firmware update the ability to view pictures and listen to music at the same time? Shouldn't that have been one of the top priority jobs? Shouldn't they wait until they have that done?

  7. But does it have AAC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I know the answer's no. Yawn.

  8. Re:For all those dismissive of the iPod's interfac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and if you buy one of these, don't hold your breath for the "later firmware update". i had an H120 for a while, desperately waiting for 2 promised firmware updates (May and June of 2004). finally sold it in August. my major beef was dropped samples during audio line-in/mic recording. this is a major issue that should have stopped release of the product until it was resolved. no reputable audio manufacturer would release with such a bug. anyway, the device worked fine from a player standpoint, just just be away that FW updates will take forever, and responses from iRiver was all but non-existent.

  9. Flac files are great... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But I'm not sure why you'd want them on a portable system. Can anyone really tell the difference between an OGG file and a Flac file via headphones while riding in a subway, walking in the street, or driving in your car?!

    I consider Flac more appropriate for home entertainment systems.

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  10. Whatever happened to. . . by twbecker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    doing one thing, and doing it well? How many people seriously want to carry digital photos around wherever they go? I just don't get the color screen. I guess it's for the same people that like having a camera in their cell phone. True, the thing has an FM tuner and can record voice and radio. That's good, but it's also bulky, has a relatively poor interface and is $30 more expensive than an iPod, which /.ers already bash for being too pricey. Here's an idea: instead of giving us more bloat, why don't they just make the ultimate music player. One that will playback ALL major formats, has a good interface, and super long battery life. Although my iPod is great, it fails to meet 2 of these criteria. I guess we'll have to keep waiting. ..

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  11. Bulky? by Scud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm curious as to why the reviewer says that it's a bit bulky, the difference between it and the 20gig iPod being about 3/8th's of an inch more in depth, and an extra ounce for the 320.

    Not much of a difference that I can see.

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  12. Re:what really counts... by jj00 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It looks ugly

    What? Modded down because I feel that no one will buy the device because it doesn't look good?
    When you sell something like this, isn't look and feel a MAJOR consideration?

  13. Interesting observation by MobyDisk · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Although it doesn't support .flac files like the Rio Karma, it does support .ogg, in addition to the usual file formats (mp3, .wmv, .asf, .wav)
    Interesting. What makes .asf and .wmv "usual" formats while .ogg is not? Does "usual" mean industry standard? I didn't know that .asf and .wmv support were de-facto standards yet. Has anybody submitted .ogg to a standards body?
  14. Re:The beauty of the iPod... by tfoss · · Score: 4, Insightful
    iPod isn't number 1 because it is the best player -- it's clearly not -- not in battery life, choice of format, syncing, or price -- but because the marketing budget on that device is bigger than all the other devices combined.

    I'm not sure you can say it's clearly not the best player, for the simple fact that best player means completely different things to different people. Just to illustrate that, which player is clearly the best?

    To trot out the same old pony of ipod arguments, it's the complete package that makes it so appealing. Sure you can find one's that are smaller, cheaper, higher storage, possess more features, have decent design, better battery life, etc etc....but I have yet to see one that puts all of them together as well as an ipod. Apple certainly chose to make sacrifices in its design, but IMHO they chose the (so far) best set of choices.

    As for the itunes/ipod lockin (aside from the fact that itunes seems pretty well designed, especially for someone espousing WMP10), ipods do *not* only work with itunes. You can get various third-party apps that sync (j river media center, ephpod, xplay) to it. You are only locked into itunes music store if your other store doesn't allow CD burning, or if you don't count real's whole helix situation.

    -Ted

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