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Ceefax Turns 30

VirtualUK writes "Ceefax, the text information service from the BBC turns 30 today (just 3 days after myself)!! For those not lucky enough to have seen what Ceefax is about, it is text information pages sent in out-of-band data space of TV transmissions in Great Britain. What started off as a subtitling project evolved into a service still used by over 20 million viewers a week even in the face of the Internet revolution. It just goes to show that for a lot of people, the best source of sport results, last minute holiday bargains and horoscopes is still just a click away on their TV remote."

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  1. Information non-overload by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting


    One of the reasons Ceefax/Oracle was so popular was that it gave "just the facts, ma'am". It had to display on a 40x23 (ish) screen to work on the TV's of the time, and most pages used ZX81-style graphics (huge "pixels" :-) which reduced the content possibilities even more. Oh, it was free too :-)

    Curiously, this reduced content actually worked in its' favour - about all that could be put on a single page was the raw information, without political or other bias; there just wasn't the space for opinion. Even when they used linked pages (page displays, waits 30 secs, new page displays, repeat and loop) the real-estate was severely limited since each page had to stand alone.

    I clearly remember preferring the minimalist information from Ceefax over the long-form in a newspaper. If I wanted more about a story, I could listen to the news or buy a paper, but to get an overview it was ideal. A good example of 'less is more'. It helps that the Beeb has good journalists who can succinctly tell a story, of course...

    Simon (on-topic, for once :-)

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    1. Re:Information non-overload by alanxyzzy · · Score: 4, Informative
      and most pages used ZX81-style graphics (huge "pixels" :-)
      Telextext was exactly the same as the Acorn BBC microcomputer display mode 7.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletext

    2. Re:Information non-overload by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      and most pages used ZX81-style graphics (huge "pixels" :-) which reduced the content possibilities even more. Oh, it was free too :-)

      It always amazed me to see how much they could do with those glyph blocks. Maps of the UK, Europe, the world for weather, traffic and airport news, even Snoopy. Undoubtably,ASCII art at it's finest. And they could manage to compress entire news stories into 400 characters or less, while still maintaining the reading level.

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    3. Re:Information non-overload by Vollernurd · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK I'll bite.

      It is true that we have to pay the Televison Licence every year and it's about £110-£120 (I have not checked). But look at all we get!

      7 national, commercial free radio stations giving high quality music, spoken word, and live event output (like One Big Sunday if that's your bag or BBC Proms); 6 or so digital national commercial free TV channels with some pretty good original programming (and not so good too); loads of regional TV and Radio of similar quality; BBC Online; and, er, we gave the Yanks The Office, didn't we?

      Sorry, I'm getting a lump in my throat here... Let me just step outside.

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    4. Re:Information non-overload by rishistar · · Score: 5, Informative

      And here's how the money goes

      How your licence is spent
      Each household's colour TV licence cost £9.67 every month in 2003/2004. On average each month, this was how the BBC spent your money:
      Average monthly licence fee spend

      BBC One £3.37
      BBC Two £1.45
      Digital television channels £0.98
      Transmission and collection costs £0.98
      BBC Radio 1, 2, 3, 4 and Five Live £0.99
      Digital radio stations £0.08
      Nations & English Regions television £0.90
      Local radio £0.61
      bbc.co.uk £0.31

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  2. Pretty cool stuff by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's pretty cool! Here in the U.S., we had to pay per minute for contemporary services on Compuserve. With prices as high as $0.20 per minute, it's no wonder that Compuserve was primarily reserved for businesses! But to have hundreds of pages of text information pushed to your television set at no (excluding television tax) cost? That's amazing!

    Of course, the proliferation of U.S. BBSes started in the mid to late 80's and gained momentum right up until the Internet became popular in the mid-90's. Which makes me wonder. Is there a telnet machine somewhere where we can access the CeeFax info? It would be interesting to see what they're pushing over the airwaves.

    Ah memories. Sometimes I wonder if the tech of the 80's wasn't cooler than the tech we have today. Sure, we have Gooey interfaces and full color graphics, but what's that compared to the thrill of interfacing systems over a modem, cursing at natural language interfaces, designing BBS screens in TheDraw, and wowing at the amount of info that's (unknown to the general populace) being pushed over massive research networks and dial-up nodes? (3 days for an email? That's speedy, man!) Or maybe I'm just nostalgic. :-)

    1. Re:Pretty cool stuff by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 5, Insightful
      That's pretty cool! Here in the U.S., we had to pay per minute for contemporary services on Compuserve. With prices as high as $0.20 per minute, it's no wonder that Compu$erve was primarily reserved for businesses! But to have hundreds of pages of text information pushed to your television set at no (excluding television tax) cost? That's amazing!

      You see, public entreprises (that belong to the State) aren't always bad... Public service is exactly what it says: service for the public, and not a sinister plot by the Government to enslave the population, as you yankees seem to be happy to believe so easily...

      And where is Compu$erve, nowadays????
    2. Re:Pretty cool stuff by aurelian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah the idea is that you consent to the majority opinion about what services are necessary. If you persuade enough other people to agree with you, then things change accordingly. It's called democracy - one of those things you're supposed to have learnt while growing up.

  3. Yes, and cable companies -still- don't show it by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Slashdot title length made me tell a slight falshood there - a number of franchise areas can receive this. But a large majority can't get hold of it, both Telewest and NTL areas (major UK cable suppliers).

    And yes, I'm in an NTL area that can't get it. And yes, I'm terribly annoyed - I used to use the subtitling quite often, even though I'm not deaf. Just wanted the volume off to listen to music, for instance, or needed to be quiet for some other reason.

    NTL, please sort out the broadcasting of teletext as you claimed you weere going to do more than three years ago.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  4. Re:teletext by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's called teletext here in the UK too. Ceefax is just the BBC's name for its teletext services.

    All four terrestrial analogue broadcasters have teletext services and the hundreds of terrestrial/cable/satellite broadcasters have similar digital services too.

    One interesting factoid about teletext is that, at one stage, over half the holidays in Britain were bought via teletext (ads on teletext, response by phone). Obviously, with the development of the Internet that's changed, but the teletext holiday market is still pretty big.

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  5. Alevt by alanxyzzy · · Score: 4, Informative
    Alevt is the open source teletext player.

    It runs all the time on one of my desktops - IMHO it is the very best source of concise, up-to-date information.

    Here are some dumps of the current BBC front pages, courtesy of alevtd and w3m (some stuff snipped to avoid slashdot "junk" lameness filter).

    101.00 CEEFAX 2 101 Thu 23 Sep 14:46/55
    HOSTAGE'S RELEASE 'SABOTAGED BY US' 104
    Straw rules out Bigley negotiations 105

    BARRACKS Fresh abuses claims probed 113

    LIB DEM We're on the move Kennedy 115

    AIR BA taking on 200 Heathrow staff 110

    FBI Deported Cat Stevens back in UK 108

    SOCCER Keane denies assault charges 122

    HAITI Toll from flooding tops 1,000 114

    TRIBUTES Ceefax celebrates 30 years 111

    CATCH UP WITH YORKS & LINCS NEWS 160

    News index Top story TV/Radio Main menu

    << < o > >>
    100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 about
    Jump to page [ ] [ok]

    <hr>
    104.00 CEEFAX 2 104 Thu 23 Sep 14:48/20
    UK hostage's release 'sabotaged'
    The brother of British hostage Kenneth
    Bigley says the US has "sabotaged" his
    brother's release by refusing to free a
    detained woman scientist in Iraq.

    Paul Bigley told the BBC there had been
    "a shadow of light" when Iraqi
    ministers said the woman would go free.

    But the US ruled out freeing the woman
    one of two held in Iraq - saying it
    would not give in to the kidnappers.

    Kenneth Bigley was seen in a video
    appealing to UK Prime Minister Tony
    Blair to help save his life.

    Home news digest 141 World digest 142
    News Index 102 Flash 150 Regional 160
    Next News News Indx Headlines Main Menu

    << < o > >>
    100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 about
    Jump to page [ ] [ok]
  6. Re:Teletext never really popular in the USA.... by ozric99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All of that is true, however it's largely unrelated - the rise of the public internet happened largely in the last decade, not 30 years ago.