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Shielding Domain Registration Info?

occamboy asks: "I'd like to register a new domain, but I'm tired of getting tons of spam (most filtered, but some not) and snail mail whenever I register a new domain. In short, I'd like the domain, but I don't want to announce the details of its owner to the world. I was thinking of using GoDaddy's domain proxy, but the terms are scary: they reserve the right to change the agreement anytime, by posting the new terms on their site, and the buyer automatically agrees to the new terms. What's to prevent them from grabbing my domain name from me, or doing some other nefarious thing? So, is there any good way to anonymously acquire a domain? Should I just register with fake info, use a service ... or what?"

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  1. PO Box by Arngautr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use a PO Box and an email account I can throw away if things get too bad. I think I might try the 'protected' option next time as the price isn't too bad.

    1. Re:PO Box by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The PO box might not be a bad idea, but if you're outside the US you won't really need that (I get one snailmailspam per owned domain per year nowadays).

      Assuming the only reason you want the PO box is to stop junk mail. Personally I don't want any random slashdotter finding out my address.

  2. Sneakemail it by polymath69 · · Score: 4, Informative
    This won't do anything about the postal spam, but give your email as a sneakemail address. Then whenever that address gets harvested for spam, you can cancel it, set up a new one, and update your whois record.

    It will still get harvested... but you'll probably only have to cycle it a couple of times a year. The three or four spams a year that'll get through is probably negligible.

    This is a good strategy for /. email, too.

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    1. Re:Sneakemail it by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Informative
      Why is it so hard to have one set of private records for the registrar and another set for the public and to do it without charging an extra $10/yr per domain?!

      Because running a domain is a responsibility. As RFC 1591 puts it,

      Concerns about "rights" and "ownership" of domains are inappropriate. It is appropriate to be concerned about "responsibilities" and "service" to the community.

      If you don't want the responsibilities, including making contact information available, don't have your own domain. Or hire someone to perform those responsibilities for you.

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  3. Incorporate by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Form a company to own the domain, and register it in the name of that company. That way if someone really needs to find you they can, but it will take some work (they'll have to find where you incorporated and then find your name in that paperwork). That should keep the spammers away -- they hate real work.

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  4. Re:Use fake information by brewthatistrue · · Score: 5, Informative

    well, if you are worried about what agreements you are entering into, ICANN requires valid contact information. How often your info will be checked for validity varies, but if you get caught with fraudulent info you can lose your domain. http://www.icann.org/registrars/wdrp.htm http://www.internetprivacyadvocate.org/ProtectYour PersonalInfo.htm (urls via google keywords: whois contact icann)

  5. namecheap! by hookedup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    namecheap.com

    $8.88 USD domain registry, and like 5$ a year for a 'whoisguard' subscription per domain per year..nobody is getting your info without subpoena

    I use them for all of my domains, and couldnt imagine using anyone else..

    Also.. you should be wary of godaddy.. i've heard of them snatching up peoples domain for no good reason..

    1. Re:namecheap! by adam+mcmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      RegisterFly.com offer something similar, only $1 to protect each domain. It puts something like this in the whois record:

      Registrant Contact:
      RegisterFly.com - Ref# 11453500
      Whois Protection Service - ProtectFly.com (11453500.fly@spamfly.com)
      +1.2122952121
      Fax: +1.2122952153
      230 Park Avenue
      Suite 864
      New York, NY 10169
      US

      That email address gets forwarded to your actual address, and it changes every so often so you don't get spam to it.

  6. Please don't fake your e-mail address by cgenman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sometimes people really do need to contact you. If your domain is causing problems or otherwise interfering with the network, or someone has a dispute with you but would rather not let it escalate to the point of sending nastygrams to the owner of your IP block, it is very convienient to be able to just e-mail someone. That's why it is there. Sending a message out to the larger hosting / access company usually results in absolutely nothing, especially if it is a large hosting company.

    Stay a part of the community. Keep your contact information available and up-to-date.

  7. Do you know a good registrar? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Do you know a good domain registrar? The first step is to find a good registrar. The second step is to solve the domain registration info problem.

    My experience with GoDaddy is that the company is very abusive. GoDaddy is always trying to sell something else; there are such a huge number of ads that it interferes with proper operation of their web site. Many of the ads seem to me to try to take advantage of people who don't know much about the Internet.

    The GoDaddy web site is, in my opinion, amateurish. There are issues like having a password field with 13 spaces, but actually accepting only 11 characters for a password. (I don't know if they have fixed that since I mentioned it to them.)

    It's simply outrageous that a company says they can change the terms of a contract with you without your permission, or even knowing. Legally, that cannot be a contract. A contract only exists if you agree to the terms. You cannot enter into a contract that is so broad that you agree to be bound by any terms in the future.

    It's amazing how abusive companies are becoming. They seem to be trying to see who can be the most abusive. Have a look at an Ed Foster column that says that the problem is less in Europe: Anti-Sneakwrap Law is UnAmerican.

    I knew a three-year-old who once told me: 1) I can do anything I want. 2) You have no control. This is understandable in a three-year-old, who is merely testing the limits. I don't accept it coming from anyone who is older.

    Things are really bad in the U.S. now, it seems. Everything to help powerful people get richer. Nothing to take care of the average person.

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    1. Re:Do you know a good registrar? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, the reason why is fear of liability.

      If US legal cases had capped damages, companies wouldn't be so hung up on avoiding the slightest hint of liability, willing to lose customers, even, to avoid the faintest trace.

      A friend from Norway once told me that the reason that Norway doesn't have the problems with ridiculous worries over liability that the US does isn't that it's harder to prosecute a case in Norway. It's just that multimillion dollar awards are unheard of. You get restitution, but not scads of money above and beyond.

      Cut down on the amount of money floating around in the legal system, and you return sanity to the consumer world.

  8. GANDI by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Informative

    You said that you were worry about proxies -- I have secondhand that GANDI is a good registrar -- prices slightly higer than GoDaddy, but significantly better (as in favoring the user versus the registrar) policies. Not sure if they provide a proxy service.

  9. On PO boxes, eamil, and such by dacarr · · Score: 3, Informative
    First, PO boxes. Diverting all domain related snail spam to a post office box really isn't the purpose of putting a PO box in your whois record, it's to divert the attention from where your system really is. I for one really don't get that much snail spam or domain spam (more on that in a second).

    So you get the PO box, for one reason - as far as the untrained eye without a legal proceeding is concerned, your computer with your domain is actually housed inside of a box that, at its smallest, is the size of a one foot thick index card. They need legal documentation to get your real address, and you in turn need to prove to the USPS where you really live.

    The email address is a little simpler. It's easy enough to set in your /etc/aliases file (or whatever your MTA of choice uses) something like 'hostmaster' or 'hostslave' and have it divert to you, and in turn you just have either Procmail or your MUA of choice to stick it in a folder that you might check on once in a while. After a while, remove/change the address, change it in the whois record, and watch as the few spams that come in just kind of bounce.

    In short, in my experience it's really not that much that you're going to get in the way of junk mail of any flavor. YMMV.

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  10. Dotster by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Informative

    My registrar is Dotster, who has a free spam whois shield available for its customers. The email address in the domain info given out is really an alias to the one you give them, and that alias shifts like once a week or so (not sure on how often). This is generally not often enough to get onto spam lists, though I have gotten a couple of messages over the last few years. Obviously not something to worry about.

  11. "Anonymous" domain registration problems by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative
    • Most of the "anonymous domain registration" schemes involve some dummy party actually being the domain owner. If you ever get into a dispute with that party, you have a problem.
    • Those "indemnification" clauses really matter in a situation like this. If someone goes after the dummy party, you'll end up paying their legal fees.
    • Operating a business anonymously is a criminal offense in many jurisdictions, including California.
    • It's not clear what happens if someone files a Whois Data Problem Report for your "anonymous" domain. But you probably won't like what happens.
    • If someone wants your domain, they could make a case under the UDRP that your registration was in bad faith.
    • Some spam filters may blacklist mail from, or mail that mentions, anonymous domains. It's like putting up a sign that says "I am a slimeball".
    • There are signs of a crackdown on anonymous business web sites. Microsoft is sueing "bullet proof web hosting" firms.
  12. Re:top level domain .spam by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 3, Funny

    After that, maybe they can require burglars to wear black turtlenecks and a Cato mask, and carry a burlap sack with "LOOT" written on it. If they're caught wearing, say, a tiara, they can be busted for "not dressing like a burglar." Also, supervillains should speak with a Russian accent and wear a cape.

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  13. http://www.myprivacy.ca/ by MDMurphy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Use MyPrivacy.ca. They give you a free email address that will forward to your existing address. They only allow email from legit domain hosts to get through unchallenged. If from just anyone, they have to go through a challenge/response system.

    Works great, I've yet to get any Spam in the last few years that I've been using them.

    http://www.myprivacy.ca/