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Pre-Retirement Interview With Intel CEO Barrett

kevcol writes "The San Francisco Chronicle has an excellent interview with Intel's CEO Craig Barrett who retires next year. In it, he is asked about topics ranging from labor distribution (oh I'm sorry- outsourcing), the Chinese market, the perils and promise of expanding operations in the Middle East, the state of K-12 schools in the U.S. and declining numbers of home-grown engineers, and more. Notably absent are any questions of AMD. Notice how he likes to pick on sensationalist press by prepending some comments with 'you in the media...'. Anyway, good interview."

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  1. Dishonest by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We're graduating a decreasing number of engineers each year" -- Get your ass whomped for 4 years in a engineering program, while all your friends slide by as buisness majors. When you all graduate, they get jobs as managers and you stand in the unemployment line because Intel outsourced all those jobs to India or filled them with H-1B workers. Wow, with those prospects, who *wouldn't* want to go into engineering. (PS - I say this as a PhD student in engineering)

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    1. Re:Dishonest by Epistax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a little bit off topic from what you said but it relates to Intel engineers vs managers. I had a 6-month internship at Intel and I plan on going back next summer. One thing I noticed was how unbusiness-like the managers were. It seems most of the people just decided to go up form being an engineer. Most engineers don't want to adopt a life of PowerPoint and endless (truly endless) meetings even if it does mean a raise. Those who do (and obviously also show promise) gradually move up the chain. Others stay as engineers. It's not like Intel doesn't pay the engineers well either-- if you work hard, you get rewarded big time.

      I don't know the atmosphere of their upper level management. The most I got to see was a talk with Fister (now CEO of Cadence). He was a senior VP at Intel, and is an electrical engineer (masters). Any business education he's had (I'm sure he's had some) wasn't mentioned in his bio. This suggests it might just be company classes. I think how someone becomes a higher ranking member of a company is completely different company to company, and from what I see I like how Intel does it.

    2. Re:Dishonest by The+Hobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amen. I myself am a computer engineering student in Canada's top engineering university and know of graduates from here. They are having a hard time finding jobs. I'm not even sure I'll be able to get one once I'm done here without having to do post-secondary like you are.

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    3. Re:Dishonest by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A company is not legally allowed to bring in H-1Bs unless they can show they have no qualified Americans willing to take the job. There are some industries where this is, in fact, the case - nursing is a prime example. Engineering, on the other hand, has a huge pool of unemployed talent. Intel is bringing in foreign workers because they're cheap and replacable, and why should a little thing like legality stop them?

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    4. Re:Dishonest by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Intel is bringing in foreign workers because they're cheap and replacable, and why should a little thing like legality stop them?

      While that may be so, in reality it doesn't make that much difference. If H1-B loopholes were closed, a company with the global reach of Intel could easily move the work to one of it's offshore operations where it would only have to pay prevailing wages there.

      What is the solution? Near term I don't know of one. The only real hope is that the US economy has a good track history when it comes to adjusting to problems.

  2. Smugness . . . by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The other contributing feature is: We build the most complicated things that human beings have ever built. First of all, you can't see what you're building, and you're building a lot of them. You're building transistors you can't see, and the biggest transistor budget we have is a product that comes out next year called Montecito, from the Itanium processor family. It has 1.75 billion transistors in it.

    This guy's smugness is a more than a little ridiculous . . . Unlike Newton, who said that he stood of the shoulders of giants . . . this guys thinks he is a giant.

    It sounds so incredibly smug. I would say that building something with a lot of transistors is like building something with a lot of bricks (how many bricks/stones in the Great Wall of China?). . . If you count bricks, or rivets, or grams of steel, there are lots of complicated things out there that humans have built . . . Many of these things take a lot more labor and a lot larger organization than Intel . . . Saturn 5's, Great Pyramids, etc. Some things are even intangible . . . the supply chain and resourcing used to move the military might of the US to Europe during WWII for example. At one time there were over one million US troops based in the UK alone . . . and that doesn't consider their supplies and equipment. Not to say Intel doesn't do complex and amazing things, they do . . . but let's keep it in perspective.

    And finally for that matter, if I build a multi-processor system am I making a more complicated device than he is? I'm using move transitors than he is . . .

    1. Re:Smugness . . . by nbert · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, it sounds smug, but keep in mind that building the next generation of chips will take more effort than landing on the moon.

      He's probably right, but I agree that he sounds arrogant - most of the stuff they are using has been invented before Intel even existed. They are just making the next step...

    2. Re:Smugness . . . by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I'd like to know is, how many bricks are in the wall of china? The bricks used to repair and extend the wall during the Ming dynasty are "36 cm in length, 17 cm wide and 9 cm thick". The wall is about 6,700 km long; If the wall were composed of a single line of bricks it would be (my math could be off by an order of magnitude...) 18,611,111.11(bar) bricks long. The wall has an average height of 7.8 meters; a wall one brick thick would be 86.66(bar) bricks tall, or 1,612,962,962.962962(bar) bricks in total. That's a shitload of bricks! And I love the repeating decimals. Of course the whole wall isn't built in this fashion, the Qin wall bricks were made of rammed earth, in stages (like bricks, but made in place) about 10cm thick.

      I'm not sure if the great wall is filled with un-rammed earth or not, but if it isn't, imagine how many bricks that must be, and do the math if you like. Even if the bricks are twice as large in every dimension, it's still an astounding number of them. (The average width of the wall is usually reported to be about 5 meters.)

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  3. Re:F.A.C.E. Intel by SpooForBrains · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't doubt that there are various things that need to be brought to light about Intel's employment policies, but WHY if that site has such a VALID MESSAGE to promote and has ALL THE NECESSARY FACTS to back up their case do they need to resort to sensationalism and sub-high-school-newspaper journalism to get their point across? The whole site reads like a propaganda newletter, with links supposedly linking to relevant documentation just pointing at more sensationalist commentary, and their random emphasis and italicising of words reminds me of MAD magazine.

    That site is going to hurt their cause more than help it.

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  4. Re:Heh. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, but all the MBAs I've encountered seem convinced that, if they just had the time away from their oh-so-important duties, they could jump right into the lab and show the engineers how to make things hum. On the other hand, I don't know many engineers that feel particularly comfortable operating outside their own areas of expertise, and generally eschew business matters on principle as, well ... uninteresting.

    The sad truth is, my friend, that the continued viability of what is left of the American technical and manufacturing sector is far more at risk from the ongoing loss of all kinds of engineering, scientific and technical talent, that it is from a lack of administration. One might easily argue that the poor job prospects of engineers in today's marketplace are directly due to MBAs who've shown little compassion towards their fellow Americans, and no understanding whatsoever of the long-term consequences of their actions. So, yeah ... I'd be inclined to believe that the average engineer is a damn sight brighter than your average MBA. Certainly a lot more useful.

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  5. Re:Heh. by Aadain2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At my University, the Business department refers the Engineering department as "Pre-Business". If you look at the students in business a lot of them started out as engineering students and then got burned out and switched to business because it was easier (and the fact that the department tried to schedual classes so there were no Friday classes didn't hurt much either).

    I think the whole business department is creating a really bad feedback loop. You have a lot of (poor) students graduating in business who get jobs and are usually in administrative positions. Since they usually aren't very bright/hard working (in my experience) they either make things worse or more inefficient, putting more red tape and levels of burracracy, thus creating a need for yet more business majors. That is why business departments are usually some of the largest on campus and why businesses, especially large ones, are so huge and convoluted. Until business because as hard as engineering, the loop will continue. That's my opinion at least.

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  6. Re:Intel's Performance by BroncoInCalifornia · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think Intel needs to improve it's performance and it needs to start at the top!

    Barret's "one Generatation ahead" program made the Prescott a barbeque chip instead of a computer chip. They struggled to put the chip into production with a 90 nanometer process that just was not ready.

    The Itanic disaster happened after he fell for contrived benchmarks that hid the fact that the processor was not all that powerfull. A good boss should see through and ask the question " how does it perform in real life?"

    Intel needs a boss who will face the issues squarely. Intel needs a boss who will speak plainly instead of stooping to Dilbertesque doubletalk. Paul Otellini has potential here. It is a shame Intel has to wait so long before he takes over.

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