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Celsius 41.11: A Rebuttal to Michael Moore
deezl writes "Michael Moore released a controversial movie revealing 'facts' about the Bush Presidency. A new rebuttal has just been released called Celsius 41.11. I would think that time sensitive political commentaries would be available for download to ensure the widest possible distribution base. If documentary makers are so interested in getting their message out and arguments across, why not encourage free BitTorrent type distribution for their movies?"
You dumb bastards, everybody needs to wake up and go find the truth out for them self. I believe that these films should be used as a starting point for people to research the FACTS for themselves. We all know that BOTH sides spin the truth and they both just want to win.
Another key idea in looking subjectively at both of these "Films" is to check the sources, here is a video from the GOP, if you bother to check the sources and the original video you will find that a LOT of editing has been done.
http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/092004v2.wmv
I think that theses efforts are to little to late. F9/11 come out on DVD soon and its impact was far greater then a few highly edited Internet streams. Michael Moore was doing a favor to this country that is half asleep at the wheel. It is been found that the average American think about politics five minutes every month. No wonder all of this spin is so effective to the weak minds of Americans. If people would bother to go get a paper or read up on current events they might be informed with real facts; I am so sick of people relying on audio/video clips for their source of news. There is a clear bias on how they are presented on each "NEWS" cast. If we can even call any of this crap news in this country anymore. I recommend that people get their news from real sources outside this country where the broadcasters and news reporters don't care what side you are on.
Contrary to your sig, Bush never claimed Saddam was linked to 9/11.
Are all your facts generated from DNC talking points?
You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
Popularity is a reliable indicator of accuracy, so we don't need to examine the content of C41.11. And if you disagree with that statement, why did you rely on the popularity fallacy, just trolling on your lunch break?
If I told you that was last year, would you know what I meant?
From Page 66 of the 9/11 Commission Report:
"There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response.According to one report, Saddam Hussein's efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.
In mid-1998, the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In March 1998, after Bin Ladin's public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Tali-ban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin's Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December.
Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Tali-ban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe friendly contacts and indicate some common themes in both sides' hatred of the United States. But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States."
You see the Dem's only want you to see that last line all by itself. Because if you read the whole thing in context you can clearly see that when we bombed Osama out of Afghanistan he would have up and moved his training and operations right into Iraq. Bush took care of that and in the process showed the rest of the middle eastern countries what would happen if they thought to support Osama.
My karma has dropped significantly since I started posted in Politics, so I'm with you, brother. I've even seen screens informing me that my IP has been banned from posting, either anonymously or through my own account (which oddly enough forces me to post anonymously.)
Same here, where my Karma was excellent before It's gotten killed since the Slashdot poltics section has started and I've been posting in it. I guess you have to expect that if you go against the group think.
It's a shame people can't discuss contrasting views without being modded down. Karma shouldn't apply to the politics section...or to the Java section for that matter!