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HP Kills Off Utility Data Center

pacopico writes "HP's much hyped and highly-regarded UDC system has gone the way of the dodo. The Register charts the technology's demise and points to the few other reporters who covered UDC's end. Spent some time at HP checking out UDC and am sad to see it go. Ahead of its time to be sure."

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  1. HP woes... by ndykman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is really unfortunate. This technology had real promise, and I hate to see cool ideas that have commerical promise being shelved in favor of...

    Okay, for what. Seriously, HP. What the hell. I worked for you as a summer intern in 1997 at HP Labs. I had a good job there. You had lots of smart people who cared. It seems like you had a future, you had plans. What happened to you?

    Is Carly is what happened? I'm sorry all the good people their have seem to been let go (laid off) or retired (instead in getting laid off). I feel bad that you couldn't stay.

    It seems to me you are hell-bent to take every chance you have and ruin it. You have a lot of riches in talent and idea, and you just seem to toss it away.

    Wake up and smell the air around you. You need everything you have to go toe to toe with IBM. Choice is good, remember that, and stop killing good ideas left and right just, well, because?

    I still have hope. I really do. But I'm worried, because the more successful IT companies we have, the better we all do.

    1. Re:HP woes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      HP is going down the tubes due to a combination of Carly and the Compaq merger. The Compaq managment mentality has certainly taken over.

      If however you still want to work for a company where the HP idea and the HP way live on... head over to Agilent Technologies. They aren't perfect, but it's probably a good thing for everyone there that they were spun off. It's also clear to anyone that has to work with HPaq or Agilent on a daily basis that Agilent is the only one of the two retaining any of the things that made HP a decent company.

    2. Re:HP woes... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

      HP is going down the tubes due to a combination of Carly and the Compaq merger.
      The Compaq managment mentality has certainly taken over.


      It is pretty well known that Carly replaced a huge chunk of HP management with Compaq management. I guess she was thinking that it would be a way to loosen up the inertia and make the company as a whole more receptive to whatever her grande plans are.

      But as someone who was, pre-fiorina, on the inside and now spends a lot of time looking in on HP from the outside on behalf of my clients, I'm hard pressed to think of a worse way to handle integrating the two companies. Best that I can tell, she took the very same people that were responsible for COMPAQ's death spiral and put them into position to do exactly the same thing to HP.

      I think the Hpod is a perfect example of this stupidity - HP's own LOGO has one english word in it, "invent" and yet HP did zero inventing with the Hpod. She and all the compaq deadwood seem bound and determined to make that logo (which was adopted under her reign) a lie by outsourcing all the inventing as well as manufacturering, etc.

      Oh well, at least HP is such a behemoth had she suck corporate blood for at least a few more years and the company will still have a chance of recovery. Just as long as she doesn't put a pistol to its head before she leaves.

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    3. Re:HP woes... by csteinle · · Score: 4, Funny

      It would be worth it just to not have a company name that is an anagram of genital.

    4. Re:HP woes... by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Working on the inside- the Compaq merger was aa hideous mistake. HP took its first quaterly losses ever as a result of it. The culture has died- forget about the HP way and the rules of the garage- we took Compaq's management, compaq's employee treatment, Compaq's raise and bonus system (we need to hit target numbers that they refuse to show us. Amazing how we never hit them).

      What did we get from it? Well, we became the numbebr 1 PC vendor- for 2 quarters. Dell then overtook us and has held it since. Not that we really got any use of it anyway- PCs are a commodity, we make barely any money from them in good quarters. Servers? We killed the Alpha, and we aren't doing so great in the low end server market. High end Compaq wasn't a comppetitor. Services? Our services division is yet to pull a profit. In fact, most quarters the only division to make a profit is the printer and ink division.

      Basicly we sold the corporate culture down the drain, fucked up the balance sheet, devalued the stock, all for nominal to no gains. Profits are the same as they were pre-merger, on twice the revenue. We're woring twice as hard to run in place. Hewlett saw the mistake she was making and tried to save the company, its too bad she bribed Deutchbank at the last minute to squeak through.

      This is why you don't put buisness and liberal arts majors in charge of an engineering company. They don't understand the buisness. So they turn it into something they do know- they move to compete in low margin commodity and consumer electronics markets like Carly has done.

      RIP HP. You were good while you lasted.

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  2. To bad they don't just rerelease it as OSS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's to bad to see technology like this die.

    I know it's not going to happen, but it would be nice if HP would just release it as open source software instead of just letting it die off.

    That way they could stick a couple designers on it, who would otherwise probably be fired, and see if anybody would like to pick it up. (hint hint Redhat)

    The reason stuff like this tends to go, IMO, is that even though it's good software, nobody is in the position to pay for something that they don't need. However by letting people play around with it and modify it to suite their specific purposes there is a chance that new life could be breathed into it and then HP would be in a possition to benifit from it, since they are the people with the most expertise with the software.

    Of course that sort of thing is very unlikely, but I am just sayin'. You know?

    1. Re:To bad they don't just rerelease it as OSS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I know it's not going to happen, but it would be nice if HP would just release it as open source software instead of just letting it die off.

      You forget that HP is so opposed to open source that it appears to have walked away from it's $470 million (what they paid) open-source-based software group out of fear of offending their proprietary software vendors. I think they'd sooner sign over the patents to MSFT than release it as open source.

    2. Re:To bad they don't just rerelease it as OSS. by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not going to happen. We went from supporting OSS somewhat to having to jump through 5 levels of management to release anything. We wanted to release a small programthat was totally tangential to our main buisness and had no competitive value- we couldn't. Even to USE open sourcee officially requires 3 or 4 levels of managers now (if you do so officially- most of us don't bother to).

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  3. Could they please stop calling it HP1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    HP seems to be trying hard to kill everything of substance that they ever had in Carly's attempt to be a low-cost-Dell-clone company.

    No more PA-Risc.
    No more Alpha.
    No more Itanium Workstations
    No more open source (except for lip service)
    No more Bluestone software (based on open source.
    No more HPUX.
    No altavista when they bought CPQ.
    No more Vision NO more Hewlett Packard name
    No more Hewlett or Packard involved.

    Seems to me that last one triggered when it all started falling apart.

    Hewlett and Packard built one of the greatest companies in the history of Silicon Valley; and Carly managed to tank the thing in a couple years trying to pretend she can be a Michael Dell commodity-vendor.

    I wish they'd just change the name to Carly&co to stop trashing the inintials of two of the greatest hheros of silicon valley.

    1. Re:Could they please stop calling it HP1 by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with most of your post, but why knock them for ditching the Itanic?

      -jcr

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  4. Nice company motto by r_j_prahad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So this is what HP means by "Invent"? In just a few short years, I have waved sayonara to their medical instruments division, their measurements division, OpenMail, MPE/iX and the HP3000 line, and now UDC. Not to mention tens of thousands of people, many of whom I used to work with.

    I'm too depressed to continue. I only wish our country had the balls to fight treason like this.

  5. There are people behind the technology by descubes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Several comments lamented the loss of a great technology. I couldn't care less. There are men and women behind this technology, several of them close friends of mine, and that's the real problem here. For them, obviously, but also for HP. HP loses a really large pool of talented engineers. That's another great blow to the morale of the engineering community at HP. If something like UDC can go belly up in a matter of weeks, who's next?

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  6. As an IBM On Demand consultant by LinuxHam · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thanks, HP! ;)

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  7. Wake up and smell the coffee by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yes it's a shame it has been killed off but had you read the article you would have seen:

    Hard as it to believe, HP's grand wrapping of the smartest severs, storage, networking and software products on the planet could not find enough buyers.

    So it was good technology, but they couldn't find enough buyers. So it was losing money. What do you propose they do with technology that no-one wants to buy? Keep it running and losing money just because it's "cool"?

    You bitch about the music industry and their outdated business model yet it seems like this technology has an equally flawed one too (that is, no-one wanted to purchase it). Yes I'm being harsh, but unless I get any more facts I'm inclined to believe that Carly killed it off because it was losing more money than it was making.

    Microsoft have enough cash in the bank to allow nearly all of their departments to make money - not everyone else has this luxury.

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    1. Re:Wake up and smell the coffee by birder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They couldn't find enough buyers because it didn't do what buyers wanted. They deviated from the design in 2.0 compared to what 1.x promised. The first release had some good stuff that just need a bit more management around. Then in version 2 they went a different direction.

      We listened to them but there was no way we would of spend millions buying into UDC they way it was turning into.

      What it boiled down to is the stopped listening to what customers wanted to began tell them what they needed.

  8. Re:Typical post-y2k demise by MemoryDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Customer satisfaction in pre Fiorina times definitely was the cornerstone of HPs success. HP always was more expensive than the competition, but you got really what you paid for. Printers, which were expensive, but literally lasted forever. Calculators HP was king there with products which represented the best you could get at that area. Same goes for the workstation, which were top notch quality. A processor line, which rivaled with the best (PA-RISC), the list is endless. They asked for high prices, high prices were paid, because the customers knew, they werent let down by the design and durability as well as the company behind it.

    Well, nowadays, HP rivals with Dell and others by putting out mediocre PCs. There printer division still is the cash cow, but given the circumstances, they will lose the market in the long term to Canon. Their laser printers already are rebranded Canon printers. PA-RISC dead on the altar of the almighty Itanium. The merger as usual basically cost the best heads in engineering on both sides which either were gone or fled because their friends were gone. HP nowadays is a pale shadow of what it used to be.

    Either they go back to their core strengths, reinvent themselves in a totally different field, like IBM did, or they go the way of the dodo. Btw. they are currently trying to make a quick buck by being one of the outsourcing providers. But HP is one of the biggest outsourcers themselves, so why shall customers trust them in this regard? There are others which dont just play middlemen.