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Coffee is Addictive

zpok writes "According to scientists, coffee is really addictive, which I guess must mean they'll come in and confiscate your latte any moment now..." Can't wait for the study proving sugar is sweet.

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  1. Irresponsibility by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...who released a study that could result in the official classification of the condition as a mental disorder.

    Seriously... is there ANYONE in ANY part of this country anymore that just takes a little bit of responsibility for their own goddamn actions? The idea that the effects of drinking a cup of coffee could even be considered being classified as a "disease" is absolutely ludicrous.

    People are so pathetic these days. I think the only disease involved in all this "you're not an irresponsible jackass, you just need medical help!" attitude is an acute affliction of stupid.

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    1. Re:Irresponsibility by andreMA · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The idea that the effects of drinking a cup of coffee could even be considered being classified as a "disease" is absolutely ludicrous
      That's not what they're considering doing. They're talking about the symptoms that some regualt users of caffeiene experience upon sudden cessation. DSM is for the most part merely despriptive of various sets of symptoms and circumstances, including things like "Bereavement" (V62.82).

      One can hardly claim that observing (and labelling) the fact that people are sad when a loved one dies is intended to absolve them of responsibility for their actions.

    2. Re:Irresponsibility by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may not be a disease, per se, but there is a very clear and very real genetic predisposition for some people to be alcoholics, and others to be able to drink half a glass and leave the rest on the table when they leave.

      It's easy for the latter to judge the former, but that doesn't mean the condition is any less real.

      It's like those that aren't succeptable to depression judging those that are, and telling them to just "shake it off" or "snap out of it".

      That attitude shows a clear lack of understanding.

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    3. Re:Irresponsibility by the_mad_poster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clarification: pop-sci-med idiots who gradutated from med school because they want to rake brittle people over the coals and steal their money will immediately lunge at the opportunity to begin counseling people for "caffieneism" or something. The drug companies will pop up with "drugs" that do absolutely nothing but claim they cure this "problem". There will be advertisements showing how horribly, horribly messed up the caffeine addict's life is and the little bouncing face will bound out into the daylight after dutifully downing the most recent discovery of Dow chemicals (yes, that alliteration was quite intentional).

      I think the only reason this hasn't happened for alcoholics is that the risk of being sued into the next millenium is to great when people realize the drugs don't do anything except cause new problems.

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    4. Re:Irresponsibility by admdrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think a big part of it is the amount people consume. I drink (on average) a few cans/bottles of coke a day, so I've become accustomed to the caffeine enough that it barely affects me. *Not* having it, however, ends up sucking.

      I have friends whose caffeine intake is minimal (if at all) in a normal day, so a single can of pop or a cup of coffee can keep them up for hours. It's all relative tolerance, like a lot of other drugs out there.

    5. Re:Irresponsibility by linzeal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eat a lighter roasted bean raw it has more caffiene. I chow on some Kenyan AA in the freezer when I need to burn the midnight oil.

    6. Re:Irresponsibility by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mods take note: this is called sarcasm. Or irony. Or something.

      Point is, if alcoholism is a disease then so is caffine-ism. Also, if being "addicted" to a drug like marijuana/THC (which is not physically addictive) is a disease, so is every other psychological addiction out there--eating, shopping, TV, net, etc.

      This is not to imply that these "diseases", these addictions are all of the same severity. But at a fundemental level, they all work the same and it's very bad science to call some of them diseases and dismiss the others as character flaws.

    7. Re:Irresponsibility by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While true, eating the bean directly will give you more then almost any made coffee, and he also said scarf down a whole bunch which would be a whole lot more then any cup of coffee.

      Ignoring all that and moving on to your, 'to be a man have a light roast' some of us like a darker roasted coffee, and actually like espresso. If your drinking a coffee to impress people, your going to be a dick no matter what level of roast you drink.

      All the previous is anecdotal evidence, but I do have extensive experience with many different types of coffee's, I go for taste, and while I do often prefer a stronger, darker roast I try all sorts of different ones. its nice that one beverage has so many different subtleties that change the experience just a little each time.

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    8. Re:Irresponsibility by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every stimulant, whether it be caffeine or methamphetamines, carries many of the same negative side effects. The results of consuming a stimulant compound are mostly a matter of scale. I guarantee if you consumed enough caffeine that your scalp would crawl and your heart would race and, if you continued to pound it down, you'd OD. Caffeine is never (?) served in such a concentration that such a thing becomes a serious risk but I've eaten enough chocolate-covered espresso beans to start sweating profusely and to be utterly unable to hold still. One imagines that someone with a weak ticker who chugged mountain dew while eating the aforementioned confection could keel right the fuck over and become an ex-human.

      Many people DO consume too much coffee, and it keeps them up sweating at night, causes them to be jittery, and in general decreases their quality of life. However, on days when they skip their coffee, or even significantly cut back the dosage, they get headaches and turn into their Mr. Hyde equivalent. You know, kind of like the other legal stimulant you can buy at the gas station: cigarettes. Interestingly cigarettes also contain compounds which promote health, but I don't see too many people arguing that cigarettes are healthy. Guess what? Neither is drinking a whole bunch of coffee.

      I agree that alcohol is far more insidious than coffee but don't pretend that there is a gigantic difference between them, other than the fact that one's a stimulant and the other's a depressant.

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    9. Re:Irresponsibility by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd hazzard a guess that you're most likly just addicted to the point where you've built up a strong tolerence for it. Combined with the somewhat low amount of caffeine contained in soda, about 1/4 that of coffee. You'd have to go through around 8-16 500ml bottles within an hour of each other before getting what I'd consider a strongly psychoactive dose, and that'd be 'without' having much tollerence. Try two 200mg caffeine pills to see what people are talking about in regards to the stimulent effects.

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    10. Re:Irresponsibility by KyleCordes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here is a point of view on this seems ideally balanced, to get flamed from both sides:

      For a person to get to a high, constant level of drinking, is an act of great irresponbility and foolishness, a wrongdoing against oneself and everyone around.

      Having gotten there, the enormous physiological difficulty in stopping, appears to be a bona fide disease.

    11. Re:Irresponsibility by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're ignoring the fact that the 'counseling' industry is a huge money-maker for the participating therapists. More mental disorders means more people who're convinced they need treatment means more money in the bank for the practitioners.

      The real beauty of the system is that many of these classifications are specious at best and often vague to the point of being useless. Even better there's little evidence to indicate that most forms of therapy are in any way effective at treating the problem (real or imagined), so you can treat patients for YEARS - and then blame it on the patient if the treatment doesn't work.

      There's a whole lot of snake oil on the counseling side of psychology, and no lack of salesment to sell it.

      Max

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    12. Re:Irresponsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Maybe 'he' is a 'she' ?

    13. Re:Irresponsibility by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is irresponsible is the way the popular press throws around terms like addiction. The article describes at best a minor physical dependency on caffeine which results in some unpleasant symptoms if it is suddenly withdrawn. One can demonstrate dependencies like this with a lot of things, including laxatives and decongestant nasal sprays. The picture of addiction that most people have in mind is one of the heroin user who has to steal to support his habit, or the crack user who sells her body on the street to support hers. The word addiction is derived from the Latin addictus. In Roman times a writ of addictus was a document bonding a person to servitude or slavery. Addiction has no precise scientific meaning and there is no classification of any disorder as addiction in the DSM, but if the word is to mean anything it should describe an extreme state that resembles enslavement to a substance. To conflate dependence on caffeine with addiction to heroin or cocaine is completely inaccurate and irresponsible.

      Drugs which are truly addictive are those which strongly affect the reward mechanisms in the brain, such as opiates, cocaine, and amphetamines. Of these, only the opiates produce a severe physical withdrawl syndrome. If overcoming the physical symptoms of withdrawl were the only problem, then we would have no heroin addicts. The solution would simply be to lock them away for a few weeks until the withdrawl sickness subsided, and after that they would have to be a fool to return to using the drug. Of course many addicts do return to using so there must be some other reason than preventing withdrawl symptoms.

      Truly addictive substances like cocaine and heroin affect the brain's reward mechanisms so strongly that they can subvert these mechanisms to the point where they can become not just a desire but a drive. At that point suggesting a person quit using the drug is like suggesting he stop eating or drinking or having sex. The body simply will not allow it. In fact the reward the brain receives from drug use is so strong that it tends to trump all other drives so that a person will worry more about where his next fix is coming from than his next meal. A person in this state really does have very little control over his actions. True, he had a choice of whether or not to use the drug in the first place, and he is responsible for that poor decision, but in a state of addiction, his body's needs are in control. That is why it makes sense to restrict the use of such substances; they do, in a very real sense, take away an individual's responsiblility for his actions.

      Animal studies show that animals will self-administer cocaine and heroin with enthusiasm. In fact they will do so to the exclusion of all other activities, including eating, drinking, and sex. When given the choice between cocaine and food, cocaine wins. They will stick with the cocaine lever until they starve. If allowed to, many will administer the drugs until the point of death. In contrast, it is difficult to get an animal to self-administer caffeine at all. Same goes for nicotine by the way. Animals do not even show a preference for caffeine laced sugar water over plain sugar water. Indeed, in double-blind studies, not many human subjects show a preference for caffeine over a placebo.

      The word addiction is primarily a political term. The negative image of crack and heroin addicts is so strongly ingrained in peoples' heads that any group seeking to discourage use of a substance can only help their cause by finding some evidence that it is "addictive", but such usage, when it describes only physical withdrawl symptoms, especially very minor ones like the caffeine studies show, completely misrepresents the facts. People keep drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes because they like to. Junkies and crackheads keep using because they have to. It's not the same thing.

    14. Re:Irresponsibility by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Darker roasts like French have been toasted longer to produce a deeper flavor but loose some of the caffiene in the process. The same is true for using an espresso roast for drip coffee.

      And don't forget the Starbucks "cremate the coffee beans and then glue the ash back together into a bean-shaped lump" method of roasting.

      It's pathetic that Starbuck's ubiquitousness has convinced most americans that that's the way coffee is supposed to be.

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    15. Re:Irresponsibility by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet often American sitcoms will refer to coffee in reference to making people hyper, to the point where you'd think that half an espresso is meant to send you crazy.

      I live in the states... I think the anti-drug message that has been beaten into peoples brains, makes them eager to feel effects of a drug. Mild mannered old ladies will still love to kid about how the anesthetic at the dentist made them feel. To anyone who has a decent first-hand understanding of how drugs work, it's not a big deal, but to someone with less experience, they might get a cup of coffee from starbucks and start on with their "I CAN HEAR COLORS" rant.

      Much of this same behavior can be observed in children. They'll take a sip of dad's beer or whatever, and start acting drunk.

      ...I hope that made sense. In any case, caffiene definately does have noticeable stimulant effects. I don't notice it from sodas. I do notice it from tea but it's very gradual. If you want to see what I'm talking about, cut off your intake for a few days, then drink a double shot of espresso straight. I still don't get hyper, but I definately get some stimulant effects... Can't sit still for long, feel wide eyed and awake, etc... About like a bump or two of coke would do. :-P

    16. Re:Irresponsibility by jshaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I recently cut my caffeine intake to about 10% what it used to be, if that much. Roughly every other morning I'll drink a cup of coffee with my mother-in-law, but that's all I have now. I've switched to drinking caffeine free sodas. And now that I'm over the horrible headaches (and they /were/ bad) I do just fine with a limited intake. And just to prove how addicting caffeine is, just drink some Coke or Pepsi after breaking the addiction... that stuff tastes horrible. I know the only reason I ever drank it was for the caffeine. I can't touch it now.

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  2. So is alcohol by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And cigarettes etc etc.

    Course the failed War on Drugs should be canned, all drugs should be legalised, taxed and the cash used for rehabilitation services.

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    1. Re:So is alcohol by Kick+the+Donkey · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Course the failed War on Drugs should be canned, all drugs should be legalised, taxed and the cash used for rehabilitation services.

      Seriously... Think about this. Druggies have already proved they'll pay just about any price to feed their habit. So, if you leagalize it, you reduce the cost of getting the drugs here, and selling them (black market goes away...). So, lets say the markup on your tyipcal drug is 17,000% from the black market. What should the markup be if the drugs where legal? Lets just say 500%, for arguments sake.

      The government could charge a 100% tax on the profit, and the end user would only see a markup of about 1000% (17 times less than the current markup, for those who suck at math).

      So, the druggies win (cheaper drugs). And the government wins (more taxes, less money spent on the worthless drug war). And the tax payer wins, provided the shills we elect don't siphon off all these extra funds into some type of 'special account'...

      That, and I think people would be happier :D

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  3. Then soda must be too... by datastalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...given that it has so much caffeine as well. I haven't had any soda in three and a half years, and I can tell you that it's still difficult not to drink it. Just smelling it really makes me want to drink some, so it definitely had an effect on me, regardless of whether that could be officially classified as addiction.

  4. Quitting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    All of you people that say that quitting something is easy, should actually try before saying anything.

  5. Re:heh by daijo78 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It actually is VERY addictive. It beats almost anything else. Hence all the fat people.

  6. Re:I CAN STOP ANYTIME I WANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's easy to stop when you have a reason for doing so.

  7. And there's less crime by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And there's less money spent on a demonstrably failed policy. And the product would have to be quality controlled, so fewer health problems, and junkies would be less likely to share needles, so fewer disease problems.

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  8. erg? by Flamesplash · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Can't wait for the study proving sugar is sweet."

    So your statement is saying that you think this study is useless. Then why post it to the front page if you think it's useless?

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  9. Still no cure for cancer by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Honestly, who here didn't know caffeine is majorly addictive, just like sugar? Anything that gives you a "buzz" is majorly addictive. Most of the soft drinks sell not based on taste (other than tasting sweet they don't really offer much taste qualities), but based on how addicted people are to the buzz they get from drinking them. I know a lot of people with cola or coffee addictions, and those addictions are tolerated (or not even recognized) because a caffeine and sugar addiction tends to not obviously harm society.

  10. Different Levels of Addictiveness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This may be obvious to some, but I think you can't blame the drug, you have to blame the person's chemical makeup.

    Different people have varying levels of susceptibility to becoming addicted to drugs. Some people can't have a beer without becoming addicted to the alcohol, some people can handle beer but can't resist pot, some people can handle beer and pot but cocaine does them in, and some people can pretty much take anything without becoming addicted to it. If they can't handle a drug of lower addictiveness, they most likely won't be able to handle a more highly addictive drug.

    I've noticed that most alcoholics also smoke cigarettes because if they can't break free of lure of alcohol, they surely can't break free of the hold of nicotine. It would be in their best interest not to even try any other drugs, because they'll get hooked easily.

    There are those who can recreationally use cocaine or heroine and not become addicted. Since I'm posting as an anonymous coward, I'll tell you that I've hung out with people who did hard drugs, and partook in their activities, but I never developed a feeling of "need" for those drugs while they did. I don't smoke cigarettes and I only drink on an occasional weekend, yet I can go to a party and party hard and take whatever's on the table without becoming addicted- I realized this about 10 years ago.

    But that's just me, don't try this at home.

  11. The War on Drugs funds Terrorists by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...sorry, just had to say it. Prohibition funds organized crime of all sorts.

  12. So is alcohol-Nature Neutering. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "That, and I think people would be happier :D"

    Would they now? The drug problem isn't just about "cost of drugs", but the social problems that they bring. Never had a family torn apart by drug addiction, have you? It's easy to keep deluding ourselves "If only we follow our natures, we'll all be so happy."(1) Even those countries that have legalized drugs (and sex) have found that such a decision isn't "consequence free" for the individuals nor society.

    (1) Just look at what food addiction is doing to America, and you can get that free of restrictions.

  13. RE: -10 insight-less! by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How did the parent post get a +4 for Insightful, anyway? I guess there are at least 5 of you out there who believe this B.S. statement.

    Seriously, sugar is hardly the problem with obesity in America. The problem is primarily one of poor eating habits, coupled with lack of exercise. (Not that anecdotes prove anything, but just to pull out one random example; I used to know a gal who was a strict vegetarian, and I *never* once saw her eat a piece of candy or "junk food" - yet she was overweight.)

    If you consume more calories than you use, you gain weight. It's really that simple. It doesn't matter if those calories come in the form of sugar or "healthy foods". If you're eating more than you're burning off - you'll eventually get fat.

    If sugary foods are contributing to the obesity problem, it's only in a more indirect way. (Snack foods tend to be "ready to eat" and conveniently packaged. When you can just grab it, unwrap it, and stuff it in your mouth - you're more likely to do so often, hence increasing your overall intake of calories.)

  14. Re: -10 insight-less! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sugar is a serious part of the obesity problem in America. It's not the whole thing - our eating habits are the real problem. Regardless, sugar is a carbohydrate and when your body is functioning "normally" your body will store unused carbohydrates as fat, barring those which are expelled from the body as waste.

    Put simply, most americans have been relegated to eating prepackaged foods. Who makes their own spaghetti sauce any more, for example? I know several of you out there are jumping up and down in your chair saying "me! me! ima post and tell this fucker off!" but the fact is that you are statistically insignificant. But spaghetti sauce is loaded with excess sugar and so is just about everything else we eat. Even hot dogs tend to have a ton of sugar added to them - someone please explain to me why little fine-ground sausages need sugar.

    Well, actually, don't explain it, because I know the answer: they don't need sugar but focus groups, taste tests, and other forms of research have shown that we like to eat food with sugar added to it. So, the food industry in America (and other places) adds a grip of sugar to just about everything, including many foods that ordinarily wouldn't contain any.

    In short, everything you eat is sugary unless you make it yourself. This IS a serious problem and it IS totally unnecessary.

    The problem really goes beyond sugar though, which after all is just a carbohydrate. No matter how you feel about no- or low-carb diets like atkins (which is just a new name on an old diet, which can be referred to as a low-carb modified fast) the fact is that we eat too many carbohydrates. As early as the 1700s you can find literary examples with people making observations that people who eat a lot of starch are fatter on average than people who eat a lot of meat. You can find carbohydrate-based fillers in just about everything on the store shelves; anything that doesn't have carb-based fillers is probably primarily a carbohydrate to begin with, like bread. The USDA food pyramid, promoted by the NIH after several billion dollars were spent trying to prove that eating fat makes you fat and failing, yet promoted on the "strength" of a study which showed that taking drugs to reduce your cholesterol decreased your risk of heart disease, suggests that we eat more carbohydrates than anything else. This is not only totally unnecessary (your body can quite efficiently derive energy from fats, it just doesn't do it as quickly) but completely ridiculous and utterly unfounded.

    I don't know how you got a +4, Insightful for saying that sugar isn't a big problem, because it is. It's only a part of the problem, but the aggressive promotion of sugar-laden foods in the US is a big part of why we're fat. C&H sugar will happily tell you via a message printed on the packaging that SUGAR CONTAINS NO FAT. Well, whoop-de-do, it still makes you fat.

    Come down off your high horse, which is headed in the wrong direction anyway, and join the parade.

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  15. Controlled Addiction. by venomkid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I use caffeine. I am addicted.

    However I control my addiction by controlling my intake. I'll go cold turkey every once in a while to bring my quantity needs back down, especially after a long project.

    I've stayed at two good sized mugs of coffee a day for years now. I've never climbed up to a pot a day.

    Sure, I get a headache every once in a while, but by far the extra brain power and awareness is worth it.

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  16. Re: -10 insight-less! by Old+Telco+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you consume more calories than you use, you gain weight. It's really that simple.

    This presumes that the body is a perfect translator of calories into energy.

    If you reduce the ability of your body to effectively translate calories into energy, then variance in consumption has little effect on energy output.

    Like a car with a carburetor turned way too rich, it consumes scads of fuel but doesn't produce much energy output.

    For years, mankind only saw the connection between the gas pedal and the engine. Now we see the connection between the gas pedal and the carburetor and the engine.

    This is what low-carbohydrate diets do.