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FCC Internet Grant Decision Riles Congress

museumpeace writes "The FCC, with no advance notice to congress, effectively made substantial cuts in the funding for the program that subsidizes provision of internet connection to libraries and poorer school systems. This was not small potatoes: 2.5 billion buys a lot of connection. [confess your real identity to them and the ] NYTimes will tell you all about the uproar. The ostensible cause according to FCC officials, who annoyed congressfolk by dodging the inquiry, was an attemp to control possible fraudulent spending in the program but FCC actions then went far beyond fiscal oversight. FCC deference to phone companies by way of reducing the amount they were required to contribute to the program has compounded its financial woes according to Technology Review which also covered the story. [and which will also require a "free" registration]"

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  1. repeat after me... by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    schools do not NEED interent connections or computers, with a large % of people coming out of school illiterate, I would think that schools need to concentrate on the basics first!

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    1. Re:repeat after me... by jmays · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about the schools that are doing their jobs? Are you going to deny them technology too?

      Besides, internet connections and computers aren't rewards ... they are aids. And when used in complement with a working 'basics' system they will provide a superior learning environment. I can't believe you got modded insightful for that generalized shit comment.

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    2. Re:repeat after me... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's an example of conventional wisdom in effect. Say something bad about public schools, call for a "back to the basics" approach to education, and everyone will nod wisely and stroke their chins and say, "Well, of course public education is badly broken ..." blah blah blah. What's pathetically amusing about this is that the vast majority of people who do this are themselves public school graduates; they're effectively calling themselves uneducated morons.

      The fact is that hard-working teachers in this country do their best to educate tens of millions of kids, day in and day out, and by and large they succeed. Is the system perfect? Hell no; it's a long way from perfect, and we should do everything we can to improve it. But I know of no other educational system in history that has -- with a mandate to take every kid, regardless of intelligence or willingness to work -- successfully educated the number of people that the American public school system has.

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    3. Re:repeat after me... by Ho-Lee-Cow! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's pathetically amusing about this is that the vast majority of people who do this are themselves public school graduates; they're effectively calling themselves uneducated morons.

      What is sad about this comment is that it ignores the fact that the quality of education has fallen off so badly in the US in the last 25 years that we have to now require post-secondary education in order to be assured to get the basic language and math skills needed to do jobs that pay even a living wage. Of course, I'd actually be in agreement with you if the supposed college prep program I was forced into in high school had actually prepared me for college...it didn't and was a waste of two years that I could have spent learning something useful in the real world.

      The fact is that hard-working teachers in this country do their best to educate tens of millions of kids, day in and day out, and by and large they succeed. Is the system perfect? Hell no; it's a long way from perfect, and we should do everything we can to improve it.

      This is simply a strawman. An attack on the failings of the school system is not the same thing as blaming the teachers who are just as much screwed over by it as the kids are. When teachers are free to teach and students are free to learn, we get the best results and bang for the buck. When we have to spend tons of money on unfunded federal mandates and bean counting BS to maintain them--and force qualified and hardworking teachers to go to great expense to become certified in all the subjects they teach--it's easy to see why I think schools should stop taking federal largesse and get back to the business of teaching kids. No Child Left Behind means that all children get left behind--while all those concerned adults can pat themselves on the back because they slapped the fsck out of the 'bad guys'.

      But I know of no other educational system in history that has -- with a mandate to take every kid, regardless of intelligence or willingness to work -- successfully educated the number of people that the American public school system has.

      One of the accomplishments of the Soviets was mostly eradicating illiteracy in less than 30 years. Not that I think that the Soviet system is all that fabulous, but I note that their basic literacy rates were historically higher than ours. Breadth of literacy, though, we always had them hands down.

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    4. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just an observation:

      Kid's don't like going to school.

      There are alot of reasons. The two most common are probably:

      Boredom.

      Fear.

      Society has changed alot in the last 25 years. As it changed our school systems have not fully adapted. The styles/methods used do not fit the current breed of children.

      Kid's walking through medal detectors, School shootings/beatings/stabbings etc have become common place. I personally would not like to attend the majority of Highschools in america now adays.

      The worst thing that happened when I was in school was the very rare fist fight and the ocasional kid who got a "Swirley"

      This whole heap of problems all stims from one thing: Parents.

      Parents need to do their job and do it right. The majority of early education is suppose to come from the parents. Children learn the fastest in their first few years. Negligent parents = uneducated children.

      One of my largest pet peeves currently is a large chunk of the African American culture. They expect to be treated equally when they have no excuse for not being able to speak with at least semi correct "English" grammar. I have an easier time speaking and understanding english with people from all over the world whom "English" is a second or third language.

      And I blame this completely on the parent's of these children. The CEO of the company I work for is a Black man. Highly educated and well spoken. The above is not a racial comment it indicating a viewpoint collaberated from a large sum of experiance with a group of individuals.

    5. Re:repeat after me... by rpillala · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes you're right it's a lot more efficient for teachers to create instructional materials by hand or on an old school typewriter and not be able to communicate with parents via email. Any teacher can just pick up the telephone here on our desk and talk to parents that way or maybe just go over to kids' houses.

      We don't need photocopiers either.

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  2. phone companies contribute? by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm sorry, don't they collect every penny of the "Universal connectivity charge" back from their customers (us) thereby making it a backhanded tax?

    So, the FCC has stopped paying out- Yet it's still on my cell bill, where are the funds piling up? the FCC coffers? or the telco?

    fwiw, I have no problem subsidizing a telephone to a city of 200 in W VA that can't run at a profit.

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  3. Re:Tit for Tat by Sqwubbsy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, we could find another corrupt organization to control distribution or, even more radical, let the localities KEEP their money and spend it on the things they need instead of keep bureaucrats employed. Oh wait, this is /. and not the WSJ discussion forum.

  4. Re:E-Rate was a mess by sgant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not that...it's that the FCC didn't tell anyone they were going to do this...like Congress.

    The FCC is again just acting like they have no one overseeing what they're doing...and they had to be reminded that they do indeed have people watching what they're doing.

    Funding for the FCC needs to be cut WAY back itself...they are tending to stick their noses where it just doesn't belong...at all. But that's another matter.

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  5. Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've read of massive hardware installations and billing done at small schools, all by unscrupulous companies and oblivious administrators, at the public expense. Any time you have this kind of blank check, and any time its 'for the children', you're going to get this kind of graft. The only solution is to stop taxing long distance bills (read your phone bill some time), and make local communities fork over the cash - they will buy what they can afford or what they need, no more, no less. It will spark creative ways of managing networks, combining services with adjacent communities, community involvement, and basically return the $$ spent back to the local vendors (with the exception of the hardware cost). Inject Gubmint monopoly money, and of course the costs will explode - look at the medical industry in the US for an example.

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    1. Re:Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with the blank cheque approach is that the value of what you get is pretty much defined as what you spent on it. "A ten million dollar computer system" sounds just as impressive whatever it actually is.

      What you need is someone on the receiving end who actually knows what they're paying for and what it's worth, and is able to negotiate with the provider. That way you stand a fighting chance of getting the $10m to be the value, not just the cost.

    2. Re:Taxpayer subsidized Internet is a boondogle by killbill! · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The only solution is to stop taxing long distance bills (read your phone bill some time), and make local communities fork over the cash - they will buy what they can afford or what they need, no more, no less.

      I bet you didn't go to a public inner city school. By going this way, you make sure poor communities keep a substandard education because they won't be able to afford it.

      While it is generally true that federal intervention brings unaccountability and graft, federal funding also reduces funding inequality.
  6. Re:registration by mzs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Probably because if they did, and then everyone reading were to login with the bugmenot username and password, then not too many more people would be able to read the article. Don't you think that many news sites that require registration keep track of whether there are say more than a hundred people using the same username at about the same time from different IP addresses no less? More often than not, once someone mentions bugmenot in a slashdot story like you just did, the username stop works very soon afterwards.

  7. Re:Tit for Tat by patches · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although I think that Internet access in schools, and libraries are a good thing, why is it that it has to be the Federal Government's job to give them internet access.

    If you as a constituant think that your local schools and libraries need internet access then you lobby your State or Local governments and let them fund it. I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where the Federal Governement is required to fund Internet connections, and I do see where anything not specifically listed in the Constitution is reserved for the States. So I see this as really a non-issue. I don't feel that the FCC should be funding this anyway. Let the States or even Local governments handle this.

    I will also give you my reasoning for why the Federal Government should stick to only doing what the Constitution says it should do and let the States do all the other things. The government, like anyone else, cannot do things for free. Everything that a government does requires money. The problem is that the Federal Government has accountability to EVERY American. So your voice of how you think your tax money should be spent is of less significance because you are in a sea of many millions of Americans. Now in the States level, the field of constituants is dramatically cut down, as only residents of that Stateare included. Going one step further to the Local level and the number is a lot less. So you can have more control over how your elected representatives handle your tax money, the further down the chain you go. That is why I feel that the Federal Government should stick to only A) Settling Inter-State disputes, B) Providing for the National Defense of the United States, and C) Handling diplomatic responsibilities for the States. I think the Federal Government should stop doing all the other things they have their sticky little fingers in like Health Care, Education, Social Security, Welfare, etc... The list is rather long...

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  8. Re:registration by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe because the editors want to honour the other sites requirements? Besides, it isnt the editors that write the italic blurb, its the article submitter that does that, editors comments are usually in plain face after the submitters blurb.

    Seriously, Slashdot editors have no place at all of suggesting methods of circumventing other sites login requirements. If they did, how long until NYtimes blocks referers from slashdot? How would slashdot feel if there was a bugmenot type site for slashdot itself? To view the article you need to log in, thats the casual agreement and cost of viewing the article, the same as having a unique ID on this site. Just because its on the Internet does not mean you have a Carte Blanche right to view it on your terms.

  9. Re:Ummm this is a legitimate executive branch powe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the FCC were so principled:

    1) They would appear before congress to defend their actions.

    2) They would appear in *some* open forum to defend their actions.

    3) They would publish a public document to defend their actions.

    But they did not.

    Instead they acted in a manner consistent with Michael Powell's long history as a corporate puppet -- they slipped the knife in under cover of night.

    A vote for Kerry is a vote against Powell.

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  10. Re:E-Rate was a mess by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Funding for the FCC needs to be cut WAY back itself...they are tending to stick their noses where it just doesn't belong...at all.

    If this ship is not heading where you want it to go, you won't correct that problem by dropping the sail. You have to adjust the rudder.

    Trying to correct an out-of-control FCC by just cutting it's funding is likely to get you an FCC which is still heading the wrong way, but perhaps in a less-effective fashion.

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  11. Re:E-Rate was a mess by caseydk · · Score: 1, Insightful


    Better yet, let's close down everything that is not explicitly covered by the Constitution.

    We'd probably cut the budget by 50% in 1 year's time.

  12. Another Way That Bush Screws American Children by ortcutt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So, there's no reason to believe that these changes will prevent fraud in the program, but it is certain that these changes will prevent schools from getting money for legitimate and vitally necessary uses. Then, they make the change and fail to tell anybody about it, including umm, Congress. Yeah, remember them ... in that big building on that hill. Yep. This has all of the hallmarks of the present administration.

    Doesn't fix the problem. Check.

    Arrogant and secretive. Check.

    Hurts American children. Check.

  13. Re:Tit for Tat by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If you as a constituant think that your local schools and libraries need internet access then you lobby your State or Local governments and let them fund it.

    The reason the Federal government is involved here is because the Federal Government benefits when the population of the entire country is better educated.

    If we poshed this responsibility down to the local level, we'd wind up with (even more of) a two-tiered system where anyone living in big cities, where broadband is readily available, would pay next-to-nothing for great access and people living in rural communities, where broadband is still non-existant, would be paying thousands each to fund access for their school.

    FCC policy we have today is leading us to an Information Superhighway of privately owned toll roads. There are still many people in the US who have only dial-up access to the Internet, only one telecommunications provider to choose from, and no "market opportunity" to effect a change. If we had followed these same policies in deploying the telephone, most of the country would still be relying on the post office for their "telecommunication" needs.

    In my mind, this policy action on behalf of the FCC is just another in a long string of policies designer to ensure that a publically owned internet infrastructure is not allowed to come into existance, in favor of saving that infrastructure for divving-up amount the incumbent, politically powerful, telecommunications carriers and media companies.

    Here's an interesting question to homeowners? Would you be interested in fiber-to-the-curb provided and administered by your local government (city or county government) if the per-month cost for that service was on par with what you currently pay for city/county water? (For those who don't regularly write the check, it's about $15-$30 a month) If a local entity can keep the gallons flowing for this amount, why can't they keep a few routers running for the same money?

    That is why I feel that the Federal Government should stick to only A) Settling Inter-State disputes, B) Providing for the National Defense of the United States, and C) Handling diplomatic responsibilities for the States.

    Is the postal service a legitimate function of the Federal Government?

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  14. Re:Tit for Tat by ortcutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Michael Powell was on NPR yesterday and he was asked about the fact that FCC only censors broadcast media and not cable and satellite radio. He basically said that this was outdated and suggested that cable and broadcast should be treated similarly. If Bush wins in November, say goodbye to the Sopranos. The thought police have decided that we need protected from the bad words.

  15. Looking out for who? by xombo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What ever happened to the FCC and government in general looking out for us?
    FCC Chairman Michael Powell has said on several occasions that he doesn't know what the public wants and votes however his lobbyists want. The same thing happened with de-regulation (which allows bigger media monopolies than we have today).
    The FCC is archaic and corrupt and something needs to be done.

  16. Re:E-Rate was a mess by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree.. why should the FCC have such powers? They're not elected or representative of the people. Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work?

  17. Re:Yeah, how dare they... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ..decide not to spend money until they have it. This *is* government, after all.

    When money is allocated for the less powerful, any excuse is good enough to cut it. (E.g. internet for the poor, the children, the libraries)

    When money is allocated for the more powerful, any excuse is good enough to justify it. (E.g. tax cuts on over $200 000/yr. and on income NOT worked for (capital gains)).

    Oh, have you noticed that the rich-only tax called capital gains is going away and the poor only tax called social security is not even CALLED a tax anymore and is ignored in Republican tax statistics.

  18. Re:Hmm. I might be unpopular on this one. by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You went to the library seeking information. That's what a library is all about. It's irrelevant as to how the information is packaged - magazine, newspaper, hardcover book ... that's just the transport mechanism. You went seeking information. Internet access is a logical extension of the library's charter, so it makes a ton of sense. If you don't want to read some grungy old book that's been thumbed through by countless "unfortunate souls," that's your prerogative; you can purchase a shiny new one at a bookstore. Same goes for your internet access.

    All countries run "social programs." Roads are built with tax money or under charter from the gub'ment. Same goes for providing potable water, electricity, sewer ... In order to truely prosper, you (we) need to provide infrastructure to all areas, not just the ones that are economically feasible. And yes, you (we) get to foot the bill.

  19. Re:Kicking kickbacks by ortcutt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Explain to me the reasoning that says, "there's something wrong here, so we should do away with the whole program" because I can't understand it. They should be fixing the problem, not shutting down the program.

  20. Re:E-Rate is GOOD by Edward+Faulkner · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The idea that most public schools are poor is FUD. They only *seem* poor because so much money is wasted. For example, the NY state school system employs more administrators than teachers.

    There are numerous examples of private schools that spend *FAR LESS* per child than your average failing inner city school, yet they achieve vastly better results, even with children who were referred to them as "problem cases" who couldn't succeed in public school.

    Read the facts in The Underground History of Education, full text online.

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