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Blogs, Games and Advertising

bippy writes "Video game companies have found a way around the natural distrust we all have of advertising and it's called the blog, RedAssedBaboon reports. The article points to a recent story by the Chicago Tribune about blogs as ads, and then talks about the Beta-7 and ILoveBees campaigns. RAB argues that gaming companies are starting to understand the potential of blogs, giving them their full support but also using them to get at the gamer. It raises some interesting questions about ethics, game journalism and advertising."

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  1. Tell me about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've seen a number of "stories" here on Slashdot that look a lot like ads.

  2. A bit Ironic by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Companies get good publicity through blogs because we tend to trust them... Well, there have been quite a few Slashdot "stories" lately from posters with something to gain - such as the editor from Wired magazine.

    It's not necessarily the fault of Slashdot or its editors, but one of those classic guerilla marketing tools is to create publicity (good or bad) around your product, service, etc. It works because it's not always recognizable as marketing, but it ends up being effective as such.

    1. Re:A bit Ironic by Gherald · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two words: full disclosure

      The editor from Wired magazine was open about linking to one of his own stories, so it was perfectly fine. It was a good story, too.

      Not disclosing your relationship to a product you are promoting, however, is extremely low, much like astroturfing.

  3. ILoveBees campaign by Doppler00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would I trust a fictional blog meant to increase sales of Halo 2? This is even worse than regular advertising.

    1. Re:ILoveBees campaign by SilentChris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "This is even worse than regular advertising."

      Really? You like 40 copies of the same billboard scrolling by when you ride the train to work better? Or those (sarcasm) clever (/sarcasm) advertisers for mom and pop shops that put everything in quotes incomprehensibly ("Quality since 1986")? Personally, I'd rather have an advertising campaign that's semi-fun and engaging than braindead (if I have to have advertising at all).

    2. Re:ILoveBees campaign by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful
      At least traditional advertising is immediately obvious, and thus easily brain-filterable.

      And thus just so much wasted money in the eyes of the advertiser.

      Regardless of whether you approve or not, the astroturf-like campaigns do catch your attention. Now, most peoples reaction (OK, so most people I know) react quite negatively to campaigns like this. When you find out you've been tricked into going to some company's website (the "America needs dirt" campaign from last year) my first thought is "I will NEVER buy that crap product." And I usually follow through -- for example, I haven't bought that brand of soap since I fell for it. It's the same distaste I hold for all liars.

      But, the consumers typically end up remembering the product (I did), which is what they're going for all along. The advertisers are counting on people thinking "ha ha, that was funny" because now those people have that product lodged in their minds. And to the typical marketing person, not being completely honest is not a failing. To people like you and I, however, the bitter aftertaste of the dishonesty lingers far longer than the chuckle at being fooled.

      I'm with you -- a clever 30 or 60 second commercial that hooks you with a punchline at the end is funny, and leaves a positive impression. A clever one-month curiosity campaign leaves me bitter and disappointed.

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      John
  4. The strangeness of ilovebees by SilentChris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone else notice how strangly the ilovebees blog has been handled? At first, it was a scared "character" in the story. Now it's taking on the role of some of the ilovebees wikis, in that the "character" has full knowledge of the game and is detailing the story and mysteries.

    Aside from all this, the whole ilovebees story has so little in common with Halo 2 it's amazing. I know the AI game was equally separated, but shouldn't a marketing effort like this be bolstering the story? I showed ilovebees to some fellow gamers, and while they thought some of it was cool, they had a hard time figuring out what the revealed "stories" had to do with Halo.

  5. Re:Ethics, journalism, advertising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, ethics has nothing to do with journalism or advertising.

  6. Roland the Plogger comes to mind by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, the guy who's always plugging his ad-supported blog on Slashdot by turning press releases into Slashdot stories.

  7. Better than anything else by comwiz56 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, its original and entertaining... unlike most all other forms of advertising.

  8. Ha! Someone should tell BioWare. by WCTRFF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    BioWare seems to hate blogs. There are so few of us blogging Neverwinter Nights, yet they give us zero support. They support the industry sites like IGN and the others, but for bloggers, nothing.

    We're too unpredictable. We say things that if they were said in their forums, the topic would be locked.

    Blogging is overrated anyway. I don't know why I do it other than an overdeveloped sense of trying to help out other people, even though my help is probably not appreciated by but a handful of people.

    I'm sure I just picked the wrong game to blog about. Now, if I would have blogged about Final Fantasy or Silent Hill or something....

    Anyway, it's more likely our blog is just too eclectic to be let into the club (they actually have a club of fansites, but they won't let us in it because we don't rate) and when I say eclectic others surely would define that as "suckage". But it's our little blog and we enjoy it and we're not going to stop just because the game company hates us.

    All the more reason to go on, really.

    Love,

    Hanna

  9. Re:Ethics, journalism, advertising. by The-Bus · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Advertising.

    Because the other two are figments of your fucking imagination!

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  10. It was only a matter of toim by davesplace1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets face it blogs are getting bigger everyday with more and more readers. It was only a matter of time before companys started their own "blogs" for advertising. Sad but true. :(

  11. Let's not damage the value of blogs, advertisers.. by Stick_Fig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can feel the pain of advertisers to a degree.. their most important target audience no longer gives them the time of day.
    However, this is by far one of the most deceptive solutions to that problem. You play on the consumer's idea of trust and take advantage of it, instead of working within its bounds. Granted, this is how a lot of advertising works, but pretending to be a "news source" is downright immoral and really makes me think twice as a consumer.
    You know, Burger King's "Subservient Chicken" campaign featured a lot of the benefits of these campaigns without going to the depths of pretending to be a reliable source. I would hate to think our potential trust of blogs could disappear because we can't trust the messenger to be what they say they are.
    You're advertisers; tell us that's what you are, and if you don't plan on doing that, don't pretend that you're something you're not.

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  12. Print periodicals have this figured out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In the print media, an advertisement disguised as a legitimate story usually has a warning at the top: something like 'advertisement'. I don't know if this is a legal requirement but it should be everywhere.

  13. This isn't at all a new concept ... by SuperRob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The movie industry has been doing this for years, paying people to create fake "fan-sites" for movies, generating their own grass-roots buzz.

    Despite what anyone might want to think, a blog isn't new. It's a webpage, it's just easier to post to, because you don't need to know HTML, really. So why is anyone surprised that this concept has extended to blogs?

    1. Re:This isn't at all a new concept ... by sabre0link · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Following on what you've already said regarding blogs: Either this year or next year I will have been on the internet for 10 years. I'm talking through and ISP, not AOL or similar. If I add AOL in, I've been on for 10 years, this year. Through those years, I've seen things come and go, terminology change, etc. I didn't get into the net very much until 1996, so I'm only pulling from that point on. (sorry, had to set up the background) I've seen everything go from writing HTML to WYSIWYG, and then on to blogs. There was a time when the term "blog" wasn't known. I think this occurred back when LiveJournal first started, though I'm not completely clear on that. I don't remember hearing anything about Blogger or blogging or whatever. However, at the time I knew of CGI, PERL, ASP, and PHP all having some form of news posting ability for site portals. That's when I started seeing where people had modified out just the journal code and were using it on their own sites as a journal/easy updater for information. Sometime within the past 2 years, the generic term "blog" was adopted as a blanket term for that technology of being able to update a page with information, without having to write the code or WYSIWYG it and FTP it to the server. The ease of use factor made it popular. Bands use blogs for tour journals, recording journals, whatever else they feel like journals. Actors are using blogs. Normal people are using blogs. People that don't know that you can right click a picture on a webpage and save it are using blogs. People are using blogs. Why use them? Easier than sending a mass email to all your friends saying what you did that day. Easier than sending mass emails period. Though it's a public medium, and anyone can reply to the original message, expanding their reviews, etc. But generally? It's a glorified HTML page. :)

  14. No big deal; blogs are "pull" by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not a big deal and will ultimately not succeed much, although I won't say it will totally fail.

    Blogs are "pull". You have to choose to read them, and thanks to the wonders of RSS and newsreaders, the majority of most blog's readerships are recurring, from the smallest ones to the largest ones. That is to say, blog readers rapidly get to know the blog, where it is coming from, etc., and make decisions based on that.

    If you try to start an astroturfing blog, you'd better have something more substantial than "rah rah rah, product X is great", or people won't subscribe or visit for long. Blogs as pure astroturfing degenerate into astroturfing web pages, and they just don't work.

    If you have something more substantial, then you may acquire an audience, but it'll be mostly for the substantial stuff, not the rah rah rah. In fact I know of many blogs that are largely product advocacy blogs, or can be interpreted as such, but are still fascinating because of the beef they have. An example I've been working through lately: The Old New Thing, written by Raymond Chen, an important Windows developer and guru. On the one hand, you could read it as Windows advocacy (though I truly believe it is not intended as such directly), but there is so, so, so much meat there that it is irrelevant. My blog hasn't got a huge readership, but I know the ones I have are there for the substance, because I don't offer much else.

    Like I said, astroturfing may not "fail", but it'll be just preaching to the choir, which isn't terribly effective. (The majority of political blogs already boil down to this, although they aren't necessarily intended to be astroturfing.) Nothing to worry about here, just corporate hipsters who aren't.

  15. Shameless Self Promotion by yintercept · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The primary use of blogs is shameless self promotion. The chronological format is not the best format for developing interconnected ideas (the wiki design is better for that).

    It is extremely difficult to find worthwile information in brain fart type blogs. Such blogs might provide info on trends, but it takes a good web crawl to make sense of the trends.

    For that matter, I got the impression that the main reason Google bought blogger was the wealth of links from the blogs.

    BTW: politics is one of the richest areas for blogging. People pointing to candidates and articles they like end up building a topology of links that help the candidates who are making an impression get noticed. The motives of all political blogs is questionable.

  16. I find it ironic... by mark-t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That people would assume blogs are honest and ads are not, as there are laws in place to hold corporations accountable for being at least truthful in their advertising while no such regulations are in place to hold anyone accountable for remarks that might be found in someone's blog, since by their nature such remarks are only an opinion (which can be at least just as biased and one sided as anything else might be, and at most be patently false).

  17. Re:Did they just... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Someone please mod this garbage down. Look, I know the general feeling about advertising here, but guess what, its a generalization, and those are bad.

    I'm in the advertising/marketing industry and guess what, not all of us are unethical, not all of us want to invade your privacy every which way possible (I myself am quite a privacy advocate), not all of us are clueless when it comes to technology, not all of us are evil.

    It really bugs me that people tend to fixate on the bad and ignore the good and then assume the whole thing is bad.

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