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FDA Approves Implantable RFID for Patients

anzha writes "It seems that the FDA has approved an RFID tag for use in patients. The idea being that the rice grain sized chip would be implanted and scanned for patient history and updates. It seems that a similar chip was used by the Mexican government for employees that work with sensitive documents. IDK about you, but this seems a to me little...creepy."

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  1. Defibrilator by cartzworth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My grandfathers defib has information stored on it, although I'm not sure its it's RFID.

  2. Cashless society.. coming right up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Rev 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[6] the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

    Repent, the end is near.

    1. Re:Cashless society.. coming right up. by Rand+Huck · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, if any of you folks have a barcode with "666" in it, lock yourself in a room and don't make eye contact with ANYBODY for 1000 years.

    2. Re:Cashless society.. coming right up. by magarity · · Score: 4, Informative

      He causes all ... to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads

      RTFA:
      A tiny computer chip approved Wednesday for implantation in a patient's arm

      :/

    3. Re:Cashless society.. coming right up. by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 3, Funny
      So, if any of you folks have a barcode with "666" in it, lock yourself in a room and don't make eye contact with ANYBODY for 1000 years.

      Luxky me... My number is 668.

      Thank god for permanent markers.

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    4. Re:Cashless society.. coming right up. by mrbcs · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What could be more subtle and insidious than a small chip, painlessly inserted? Lets think of the "advantages" of this coupled with a cashless society (screws on tinfoil hat):

      1. No more illegal drug trade. Hard to sell drugs if you can't get paid.

      2. Ditto for prostitution.

      3. No more counterfeiting.

      4. No more theft. Remember that IBM commercial a while back with a dude looking like he stole some steaks? The guard comes running out of the store after him and says" sir, you forgot your receipt! "Implying that the implanted chip and merchandise was scanned and debited from his account on the way out.

      5. No more black market. Barter is all that would be left.

      6. No more income tax evasion.

      7. Gov't could track every single person. Hard to commit any crime when they know where and when you are.

      This is how they are going to sell this idea. There not gonna come out and say it's the mark of the beast, they're gonna do it as sneaky as possible for "the good of humanity". Only the right wing "nut job" Christians are gonna be freaking out. That's when they take us and cut off our heads. /tinfoil hat.

      P.S. The original Greek translation actually says IN the forehead or right hand. The translators couldn't wrap their heads around that one.

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    5. Re:Cashless society.. coming right up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it's not. The number 6 is
      Line, space, line, space, space, space, space

      The 'guide bars' are

      Line, space, line.

      Check out
      http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

      Which says:
      Is the number 666 "hidden" in the UPC barcode?

      One of the most popular and shocking accusations concerning the number "666" is that the number "666" is quietly "hidden" in every UPC barcode. ...
      Is the number 666 TRUTHFULLY "hidden" in the UPC barcode?

      Technically, no it is not.

      Here's the "technical" truth. . .

      The number 6 and the three guard bars are NOT the same. They do "appear" to be identical, but they are different.

      [snip the graphic]

      Notice. The beginning and ending guard bars are "bar-space-bar" or "101" (the B in the above table). The middle guard bar is "space-bar-space-bar-space" or "01010" (the M in the above table). The number six is "1010000" (the 6 in the above table). Remember, technically a barcode number consists of seven units. The beginning and ending guard bars are only three units, and middle guard bar is only five units.

      So, technically, from a computer's perspective the number "666" is NOT in the UPC barcode.

    6. Re: Cashless society.. coming right up. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, of course it won't. If I were an evil overlord, here's how I would introduce it...

      1) Offer it voluntarily for those that believe it will improve one service or another.
      2) Only prisoners convicted of felonies.
      3) Drunken drivers who have restricted driving privileges.
      4) Schoolchildren, after some kidnapping scare.
      5) Babies, after a hospital nursery mixup.
      6) Ex-cons on parole, people on probation.
      7) Military personel (Will help if your body is burned beyond recognition).
      8) People who need to enter restricted buildings. (FBI, CIA agents, congressional staffers, whitehouse personel)

      At about this point, I'd start offering expedited rows at the checkout counter, bus terminals, airports, etc. Treat those without the chips as "well, you're completely free to choose, after all it's a free country" and the same way you do people who guard their SSN. Make *them* feel like they're crazy, instead of the system being so.

      9) State government personel. State vehicle's ignitions will no longer work without them...

      Of course, I may not have the order perfect here, and certainly big business will do its part to help. "I'm sorry sir, but this ATM only works if you have a chipID, so that we can be sure your card wasn't stolen!".

      There are some things that are practically inevitable should the become possible. It is now possible, and past one of the few regulatory hurdles that might have obstructed it. Have fun being tagged like livestock, all you sheeple.

    7. Re:Cashless society.. coming right up. by voisine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cash will always be around if there is a demand for it. Imagine a culture of Christians unwilling to get the mark. Initially they can trade amongst each other. The most marketable good will become the defacto currency like Vodka in that later days of the soviet union, or american cigarettes in immediate post-war Berlin. There of course will be plenty of marked people who will take a risk and illegally resell their goods with a markup into the non-marked underground economy. As long as the Christians continue to produce things of value to others, they'll be able to survive.

  3. Re:Good idea for borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I do hope that safeguards are put in place to avoid abuse

    You must be new here....

  4. Implant? by Databass · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Can't I just keep it in my wallet or embedded in my shoes or on my car keys or something?

    1. Re:Implant? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I figure RFID bracelents should do just fine. It still allows me to take it off when I leave the hospital.

      Oh, you don't want me to lose my tag when I leave hospital? Why not?

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  5. Help! by Erwos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could someone help me out? I don't know what IDK means.

    -Erwos

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    1. Re:Help! by XaXXon · · Score: 3, Informative

      By the way, I am not a lawyer, however, in my humble opntion, if I recall correctly, "I don't know" is bullshit. As far as I know.

      In any event, hope this helps. Have a nice day. Be seein' you.

  6. Re:Good idea for borders by Izago909 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This would be a great idea for our beleagured borders where there are not enough police.
    Are you suggesting that all non-Americans be tagged and our thousands of miles of coast line be dotted every few hundred feet with RFID scanners?

    I do hope that safeguards are put in place to avoid abuse.
    Yes, because if there is one thing the government is good at, it would be respecting peoples privacy and safeguarding personal information.
  7. Patents and security? by darnok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...So I go to hospital, and one of these RFID tags is implanted within me.

    Next time I visit doctor/hospital, what restrictions are there on info from "my" tag being read? Two possible options I can see:
    - everyone can read my info, and now I have to worry about my health info being scanned by everyone with any remote interest in it. Get on a plane - *SCAN*; "Sorry sir, we believe your heart may give out on this flight and we don't want any lawsuits". Go to a job interview - *SCAN*; "Sorry but we won't employ someone with your health problems"
    - nobody can read my info except for readers authorised by the single company controlling the implants. Hmm, now I wonder how they could conceivably abuse that information...

    Thanks, but no thanks - I'll take my chances with anonymity. The possibilities of abuse of this technology are just too high

    1. Re:Patents and security? by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The implant only has a key that can unlock your records within the doctor's office database or the hospital. The RFID tag itself does not contain any medical records. The tag also acts as the equivalent of a UPC code. This might reduce or eliminate the kind of errors where you are thought to be patient B who is getting a leg amputated where you are really patient Z getting your tonsils out. So, there are some fantastically good things that this technology achieves. The privacy concerns are valid but this kind of technology is going to come into use sooner or later so we might as well prepare for it in such a way that privacy issues are addressed up front and appropriately.

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    2. Re:Patents and security? by AlphaJoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Get on a plane - *SCAN*; "Sorry sir, we believe your heart may give out on this flight and we don't want any lawsuits"

      While you may not want it, there is always the possibilty that eventually it will be required, so instead of *SCAN*; "Sorry sir, we believe your heart may give out on this flight and we don't want any lawsuits", instead you will get *SCAN*; "Sorry sir, but this airline requires we have access to your VeriChip in the event of a medical emergency"

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    3. Re:Patents and security? by MourningBlade · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's wrong with one of those temporary tattoos? We've got some fabulous technology with those (take a look at the female olympic vollyball teams...two or three, if you need them), what's keeping us from printing a 1-week barcode on your shoulder, or other good location (ankle, etc).

      Would seem to be a better idea than an implant.

  8. Re:Your Rights Online? by nz_mincemeat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fundamental potential for abuse is that since some institution now has a unique ID linked to you, somebody with access to the back-end databases will be able to know as much as the databases recorded.

    Since the article doesn't say anything about expiry of said RFID tag, all hospitals and other institutions that want to use this technology will need to share your unique ID number amongst everybody, creating a meta-network of information all tracable to YOU.

  9. Had to be said by Fyre2012 · · Score: 5, Funny


    I for one welcome our new rice grain sized overlords

    Just think of all the other wonderful uses once the technology becomes more widely accepted...

    No more lines at the airport for people with the chip!
    metal detectors augmented with RFID scanning / live reporting / updating tools...

    "I'm sorry, sir... you are not allowed on the plane. It says here you use something called Linux, and apparently that's only used for pirating copies of window$, making you a terrorist. This transaction has also just been added to your RFID file. Have a nice day"

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  10. Re:More hysteria by ethan_clark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Problem is that part of the ideals that this country was founded on included the idea that the government was required to leave you alone unless they suspected you of doing something illegal. Giving the government, or any private organization the ability to monitor you (whether at a hospital or not -- for any reason, any place) with a technology that has an immense potential for misuse is quite a scary idea.

    That's why the "If you've nothing to hide, you don't need to worry" line doesn't fly with me -- maybe if we lived in communist Russia, it would be a different story -- this is the US, and my freedom is important to me.

    By itself, this seems like it could be a great idea with huge potential, but it's another drop in the bucket, if you ask me...

  11. Re:What The Hell? by Izago909 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As opposed to the bracelets they currently slap on you that contain your name and info when you are admitted?
    I bet you don't have the balls to cut an RFID tag out of your flesh like you would cut off a plastic wristband.
  12. Re:What The Hell? by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know what's on the bracelet 'cos I can read it.
    I know who else is reading my bracelet 'cos they're standing right next to me.
    I can remove the bracelet when I go home.

  13. Re:personal data is personal by erick99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. And good for him. This kind of technology can prevent people from getting wrong treatments in the hospital because they will not be mis-identified. It may also keep babies from being switched after birth. There are many good uses besides those two. We just need to address privacy issues up front. This is no different, to me, than the availability of printed records that people can access now. These RFID tags only identify you, they do not contain medical records.

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  14. Re:Your Rights Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because it's RFID, man! Don't you understand, man, RFID = EVIL!!! If RFID is allowed, the government will track everyone by satellite and send black helicopters to take you off to a concentration camp and anal probe you all because you attended that anti-Bush rally. Then they'll sell your medical information to the national enquirer and all of your friends and neighbors will find out about your hemmoroid problems. Just remember man, RFID = EVIL!!!

  15. Not the FDA's job to ban this or stop abuse by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For those that think this is a bad thing, don't blame the FDA. The FDA's only job should be to ensure medical safety, that unsafe products don't harm people, not to prevent the abusive use of a product which is not intriniscally bad. It is the use of the product which can be bad. Isn't that the argument you use in stating P2P software should stay legal?

    Saying the FDA should ban this technology because it can be abused is like saying they should ban cough syrup because of DXM abuse or that the MPAA should ban Linux DVD software because it can be used by movie pirates, or that the RIAA should be able to ban P2P software because someone could use it to distribute a billion copies of the latest Britney Spears album.

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  16. Re:More hysteria by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think you're making too much of it in this particular situation. This is just like a hospital bracelet, only probably less uncomfortable, and less likely to get lost/damaged/chewed off by someone with dementia. I wouldn't expect anything like this for somebody who was just in for the day. This is the kind of thing that would mainly be needed for "lifers", or at least for people who need long-term rehabilitation. Just think of it as a more effective "Medic Alert".

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  17. Whatever is Created by swat_r2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whatever is created can also be hacked. That's both scary and liberating at the same time. I'm used to incompetence on a daily basis from every person I deal with, from the grocer, to my friendly neighborhood hospital. We're human, and I make mistakes as much as the nex guy. Technology isn't going to solve these problems, but I can see the mistakes being more severe. We're on our way to being slaves to data.. I wonder how close we are to the 20,000 year cycle, and if our number close to being up. Take that as you will ;)

  18. Re:What The Hell? by blamanj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And putting an RFID tag in the bracelet is the right thing to do. You get all the advantages of the RFID and the patient can remove it when they go home.

    No freakin implants required.

  19. Never loose your relatives again! by workman161 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have an elderly person around the house? Can't afford to put them in a home? Don't have any relatives who will take him in?

    Then get...The invisible leash!

    Using the RFID tag in the subject, it locates him or her as he/she makes an escape for freedom, then applies a mild, 30,000 volt shock to gently remind them that you care.

    Warning This device may be affected and triggered by many garage door openers, WIFI hot spots, and thunderstorms. Not recomended for those wearing underwire bras, or pacemakers.

    I don't exactly remember it, but its close enough. Borrowed from the Bob and Tom radio show

  20. RTFA!!! by unicorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Read the linked article.

    It's a unique ID tag. That's ALL.

    The chip won't have ANY data other than "who" you are. And to get any additional data you have to link into the hospital records.

    And the police don't have a chance of getting in to those records thanks to privacy laws on medical records.

    STOP THE FEARMONGERING.

    It's a paper bracelet with your name on it. That's all. You just won't lose this one.

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  21. What a day on Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We have implantable ID chips, a fleet of automated surveillance airships and then a bill to let our government run through any database it wants to without any warrant to hunt for "terrorists". Wow, I have a great idea, let's link all of these things together! We'll have implanted chips, surveillance airships will use them to track us, and then they will use every database in the country to store and correlate all those data! Then there's no way the terrorists can win and we'll be able to preserve our freedom! Oh wait...

    The debate is going on now and both sides keep talking about all the things we are doing to strengthen homeland security. When will it be time to start questioning whether this makes us more secure? Perhaps doing all this might make us less secure at some point? It's not like 20th century governments have some impeccable record of not abusing their power over their citizens...

    Posted anonymously, the chilling effect in action.

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  23. Re:Wallets and purses get lost in accidents by EngMedic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking from experience, about the last thing i would care about on scene at a wreck bad enough to eject stuff from the vehicle is whether you're allergic to pennicillin or not. What i care about is making sure your neck doesn't move, you can actually breathe, and that you're not bleeding to death or going into shock. We can find out pertinent medical data later, once you're stable.

    In the field, about the only thing we can do to you, as an EMT, anyway -- medics can push some drugs, but not ones that would cause an allergic reaction, especially on a MVA -- we'd probably just push saline to get some fluids back into you; but about the only thing an EMT can do to trigger an allergic reaction is use latex gloves. that's it. nobody's allergic to O2 or a leg splint or a cerebral-spine stabilization device.

    And it's not like i want to be standing in the middle of the road with a reciever, poking at you and trying to recieve... what, your own personal bar code so i can radio that to the hospital? that's going to take far longer than is safe, for you bleeding to death on the pavement, and for me about to get hit by a damn rubbernecker.

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  24. Two thousand year old prior art by vegetablespork · · Score: 5, Interesting
    And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    - Revelation 13:16-17
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  25. SSN, Drivers License, CC #, and Now a chip by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When SSNs first came out, everybody warned about the possibility of abuse for its use as a national number similar to how the nazi's and USSR did

    About 20 years ago, it was a huge no-no to use SSNs for doing software, but we did it anyways (actually, I was allowed as I was doing Medical Software in 1985). Then the justice dept cracked down on its use. So everybody switched to Drivers License, but that was considered too much of a national ID.

    Now, in the last 3 years, we are required to give SSN's and Drivers Licenses everywhere (bank, jobs, etc). CC companies are now required to give instance access to DOJ whenever they want it. The DOJ has instance access to all tollroads DBs of which cars with tollpass RFIDs are tracking.

    The patriot act II (basically passed by both houses and the admin on the day that Sadaam's capture was announced) assures the above and more. (interesting that is was more to DOJ rather than NSA/CIA/NGSA).

    And now, the feds want to implant chips in us the same way that I do for my dogs????? Hummmm, Yeah, right.

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    1. Re:SSN, Drivers License, CC #, and Now a chip by BCW2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My original SSN card says (in small print) "Not To Be Used For Idnetification". It was issued about 1970. If you look at my USN dogtag, issued in Feb 1976, guess what they used for my serial number? The government can't even follow their own rules, how can we be expected to?

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    2. Re:SSN, Drivers License, CC #, and Now a chip by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > When SSNs first came out, everybody warned about the possibility of abuse for its use as a national number similar to how the nazi's and USSR did

      I don't know about nazis, but USSR didn't have any ID number. They have a passport with issued # on it. (quite standard thing for any ID I believe). It wasn't used for anything important anyway.
      In modern Russia they still have these passport #'s... Not used for anything important too. There was an attempt to give every citizen Tax #, but it's not mandatory. I didn't ever encountered a situation where you need one. So stop making things up please.

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  26. Welll, whoopdeedoo... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 3, Informative

    Quite a number of bars in Europe already do this as a so-called 'VIP-treatment'; get an RFID implanted to pay for your drinks/entry (as in you get debited later on your bank account).

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