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DNC and Voter Suppression

An anonymous reader points to this Drudge Report story about an election day manual specifying aggressive tactics to be used in the event of any election problems. While Drudge says the Democrats are planning to "declare voter intimidation -- even if none exists", that's not what the manual says.

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  1. Yay, more legal challenges! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't it enough that most of our politicians are lawyers, now we're going to have them deciding the outcome of the elections as well. Even Tricky Dick Nixon conceded in 1960 rather than send the country down such a slippery slope.

  2. what's worse? by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's worse? Being overly-proactive in being ready to resist voter fraud or actively engaging in it?

    And the Drudge Report? C'mon! Can I get my conspiracy theory about TWA Flight 800 posted as a story?

    Maybe politics.slashdot.org is one giant piece of flamebait. Is there no room left for rational discussion?

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    1. Re:what's worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) This isn't about being "overly proactive", it's about making sure that "voter intimidation" is featured prominently in the news whether or not it takes place.

      2) "What's worse?" is less a concern to me than is "Is this bad?". There's nothing that happens in US politics that doesn't have a "What's worse?" that can be raised to excuse it.

    2. Re:what's worse? by N3WBI3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you honestly believe the democrats are not involved in voter fraud as well? I mean seriously do you think only republicans are commiting voter fraud in this election?

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    3. Re:what's worse? by The+Briguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Democrats don't have to - polling indicates that people who aren't currently registered favor Kerry by wide margins. Additionally, Voter intimidation only works in poor uneducated areas where people are unsure of thier rights. I suppose Democrats could send voter intimidators out to the backcountry, but the population density is too low to make this viable. In short, democrats time is far better spend trying to register people [since this results in a net gain of democrats], and in voter turnout on election day [again, because people who don't turn out are more likely to vote democratic]. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that democrats are "above" the tactics republicans use, just that it happens to be the case that legal tactics are better at improving the democratic vote.

    4. Re:what's worse? by hal9000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea yea, I didn't say squat about Republicans backing Nader. For the record, I think it sucks at both ends, OK?

      Just about every meaningful state's Dem party has taken Nader to court in a bald effort to take away a choice on our ballots. The Dem party acts as if it has an inherent right to progressive votes. CLUE: To get back the progressives you lost in 2000, don't resort to oppressive schemes.

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  3. How is this "voter intimidation"? by revscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How can this even remotely be called "voter intimidation"? Who is being encouraged or pressured not to vote? This looks like nothing more than the DNC calling on all citizens to raise a hue and cry whenever they experience vote fraud.

    And I hate to be the one to break the story, but Drudge isn't he most reliable of sources...

    1. Re:How is this "voter intimidation"? by clickster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you have got it backwards. What Drudge is saying is that Democrats are wanting to say that THEY were intimidated, regardless of whether or not it exists. For the record, I am a Democrat and will be voting Democrat. But if this manual is real, I have to say that I am ashamed to be associated with whoever wrote it or intended to follow it.

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    2. Re:How is this "voter intimidation"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Read the whole page to see what "pre-emptive strike" activities are being encouraged.

      2. If no signs of intimidation tactics have emerged yet, launch a "pre-emptive strike" (particularly well suited to states in which there techniques have been tried in the past).
      - Issue a press release
      i. reviewing Republican tactics used in the past in your area or state
      ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting
      - Prime minority leaderships to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points
      - Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics
      - Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or about what will happen at the polls

      Looks to me like: "Don't wait for intimidation tactics to start before bringing awareness about the risk, especially in places where it's actually happened in the past."

      How nasty. Get people talking about voter intimidation before someone starts trying to intimidate voters. That's almost like giving the birds-and-bees talk to your kids before one of them has a kid. How *dare* someone bring awareness of a potential issue *before* it's already happened!

    3. Re:How is this "voter intimidation"? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a ligitimate document, agreed. But what that proactive stance means- is another thing entirely. NOWHERE in the document does it say "make stuff up", it says "publicize what happened in the past". Now true enough- the people doing the publicizing might not be the same people that it originally happened to, but that's another thing entirely to the Drudge assertation that the Democrats are making up fake events.

      It's as bad as saying Kerry is a flip-flopper on Iraq when, after looking at the proof, all that really means is Kerry is so smart he *looks* like a flip-flopper when taken out of context. This page is taken out of context.

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    4. Re:How is this "voter intimidation"? by drakaan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Okay...here's the thing. The page from the manual says:

      2. If no signs of intimidation have emerged yet, launch a "pre-emptive
      strike" (particularly well-suited to states in which there[sic] techniques have been tried
      in the past).

      - Issue a press release
      i. Reviewing Republican tactic used in the past in your area or state
      ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing
      tactics that discourage people from voting
      - Prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking
      points
      - Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat
      of intimidation tactics
      - Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly
      disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or
      about what will happen at the polls

      If there's nobody being intimidated, do the following (why, exactly? because you wish there was intimidation to point out?)

      • Send out a press release about past times when it *has* happened...nothing like creating problems where they don't exist.
      • In the press release, quote stuff from respected people that talks about the (currently nonexistent) intimidation of voters being a horrible thing (which it is, when it happens)
      • Get minority leaders ready to talk about it (even though it's not happening), and give them talking points to emphasise that the problem of voter intimidation (which isn't occurring) is a bad one
      • Put stories from the leaders (about the intimidation tactics that you're just waiting to see evidence of) that you've primed wherever possible, so that people will see them
      • Warn local newspapersnot to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or about what will happen at the polls (hey, that one actually seems sensible, assuming papers are stupid enough not to know this already).

      Perhaps "Make stuff up" vs. "emphasise what happened in the past (since there's nothing happening now)" is different, but please don't try to say that this manual isn't going to lead to some pretty big misperceptions about whether voter intimidation is happening. This is politics meeting group psychology, and not in a good way.

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  4. Drudgery Report. by yoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If this is true, it makes sense. The country wasn't ready for the last electoral debacle and it caught many by surprise. In this case pre-emption may just be a good thing. Especially in states with E-Voting.

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  5. Re:Pre-Emptive Strike? by revscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course not. But there are greater and lesser crimes, and this is a much, MUCH lesser crime than the active disenfranchisement of voters as sponsored by the RNC over the past two weeks. This action by the Democrats is tawdry at worst. The destruction of voter registration cards is CRIMINAL, and worthy of no lesser punishment than death.

  6. Drudge report vs Druge Retort (More Politics) by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem, some casual readers might think this is a professional news site and not realize its a news & gossip site from a man (Matt Drudge) with right wing view.

    If you go over to Drudge.com You can read the Drudge Retort, a counter view from the left side.

    I read many blog/news/gossip sites, but I like to know the views of the editors and owners. Would you blindly trust everything you read on the Internet? Most sites are not non-partisan, they lean and have viewpoints which cloud true reporting of the issues.

    True non-partisan sites like Factcheck.org and Spinsanity.org have cleared up a some "Sound bites" from both sides. Why can't I get a news channel like this?

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  7. To be fair... by overunderunderdone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That isn't an unreasonable interpretation of what the manual is advising as a practical matter. It says ""If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike," and then urges a P.R. offensive which would include getting civil rights leaders to denounce tactics of which there are "NO SIGNS" - that sounds to me like "complain about voter intimidation even though there are "no signs" that it exists.

    Republicans and Democrats don't trust each other for good reason. Republicans think that Democrats stuff the ballot box with fraudulent votes... dead people, illegal aliens, people voting in multiple times in different jurisdictions etc. THERE IS A LOT OF TRUTH TO THIS.

    Democrats for their part think that Republicans try to suppress turnout. For instance by putting out false information about voting requirements and locations and excessive challenges to the validity of voters. THERE IS A LOT OF TRUTH TO THIS.

    The two types of bad behavior have a certain synergy... Everything that Republicans do about their legitimate fear of fraud is seen as further instances confirming Democrats legitimate fear of suppression and vice versa. For instance: Republicans convinced there is fraud going on (which is often true) are excessive in their efforts to purge the polls, those challenges are seen by Democrats as intimidation (which it often is), the more Democrats complain and insist on laws that prevent purging the rolls the more Republicans are convinced that the fix is in. Around and around it goes.

    1. Re:To be fair... by GodHead · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "It says ""If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike," and then urges a P.R. offensive which would include getting civil rights leaders to denounce tactics of which there are "NO SIGNS" - that sounds to me like "complain about voter intimidation even though there are "no signs" that it exists."

      Oh bullshit. Publically denouncing known tactics that republicans use is a hell of a lot different then claiming they happened.

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  8. Re:Pre-Emptive Strike? by Merk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did you read the thing?

    • Issue a press release:
      1. Reviewing [a] Republican tactic used in the past in your area or state
      2. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics which discourage people from voting
    • Prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points
    • Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics
    • Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or what will happen at the polls

    Sure, it's partisan. They want to remind people of Republican dirty tricks... but aside from that, what's objectionable? It sounds to me like they're just trying to pre-emptively ensure that people retain the right to vote, and are not misled by false ads. If no intimidation or other dirty tricks happen, all that this will result in is making sure that people are on the watch for fraud, and that newspapers etc. don't print deceptive ads. If there are dirty tricks, then the Democrats are ready to react.

    There's no fraud in reporting past dirty tricks. They're true, and it's good to be on guard against them. There's absolutely nothing there telling people to claim fraud if there isn't any.

  9. Re:Pre-Emptive Strike? by revscat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That's all you got? Some right-wing blog? Here's the deal, man: I start off with the assumption, based on hard experience, that all conservatives are liars, especially when it comes to the GOP. You point out something with a little more substance, we'll talk. Until then, I've seen a CRAPLOAD more evidence that the RNC is funding vote fraud, including vocal support for such efforts from conservatives like Michael Savage ("those commie idiots shouldn't be allowed to vote!") than I have from the Democrats. See, I AM a Democrat, an active one, and I have NEVER heard a fellow Democrat encourage vote fraude by either word or deed. I HAVE heard Republicans defend it.

    So no, both sides are not equally complicit. The GOP is far and away more criminal.

  10. Reading is fundamental by eXtro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The document doesn't say to make false allegations of intimidation. What it says is that in jurisdictions where intimidation and misinformation has happened in the past be proactive. It says to make sure that the media reports on the past unethical activities so that people are both watching out for it and aware of their rights as voters.

    1. Re:Reading is fundamental by CXI · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a very dishonest viewpoint. The handbook specifically says "if nothing is going wrong in your area, make a big stink in the media about voter fraud anyway". This is not something you can dispute, it's there in black and white. Now, why would they want to make a big stink about fraud? Perhaps to continue a disinformation campaign and prepare the stage for all the lawsuits they are planning. They are clearly using minorities, and intimidating them through scare tactics that the Republicans are this big scary group that is out to get them. This is just wrong, as is anything similar the Republicans are doing, but don't pretend it doesn't say was it clearly says.

    2. Re:Reading is fundamental by Keebler71 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It says to make sure that the media reports on the past unethical activities so that people are both watching out for it and aware of their rights as voters.

      We have a name for that: Fearmongering.

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  11. Where did it say that? by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It said people should pre-emptively issue a press release reviewing the past Republican tactics.

    It said people should pre-emptively issue a press release quoting other people denouncing such tactics.

    It said people should pre-emptively prime people with talking points for the media.

    It said people should pre-emptively express their concern.

    It said people should pre-emptively warn newspapers about false or misleading ads.

    Hmmm, nothing at all about what you said it said.

    Seems that you've lied.

  12. Re:Drudge Report right as often as Dan Rather by mithras+the+prophet · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I have spent the time to follow a lot of his stories to excruciating details, and I have yet to find one that didn't pan out.

    Do you remember the "Kerry affair" story that Drudge pounded for days, until finally the "woman involved" said it was ridiculous and pointed out that there was no substance to the story at all? Eventually Drudge apologized.

    He posts uttery false crap all the time, but because he's not a "real journalist" nobody is supposed to mind.

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  13. Real DNC voter suppression (just like RNC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Registration never made voter rolls (10/15/04)

    Eighteen-year-old Michele Black won't let anything get in the way of her right to vote in the Nov. 2 general election.

    Black tried to register to vote for the first time last month when a worker for a voter signup group approached her at Wal-Mart.

    Black said she registered as a member of the Republican Party. She didn't know the name of the voter sign-up group. An official told her Wednesday that her voter registration never arrived.

    Continued...