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DNC and Voter Suppression

An anonymous reader points to this Drudge Report story about an election day manual specifying aggressive tactics to be used in the event of any election problems. While Drudge says the Democrats are planning to "declare voter intimidation -- even if none exists", that's not what the manual says.

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  1. what's worse? by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's worse? Being overly-proactive in being ready to resist voter fraud or actively engaging in it?

    And the Drudge Report? C'mon! Can I get my conspiracy theory about TWA Flight 800 posted as a story?

    Maybe politics.slashdot.org is one giant piece of flamebait. Is there no room left for rational discussion?

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    1. Re:what's worse? by The+Briguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Democrats don't have to - polling indicates that people who aren't currently registered favor Kerry by wide margins. Additionally, Voter intimidation only works in poor uneducated areas where people are unsure of thier rights. I suppose Democrats could send voter intimidators out to the backcountry, but the population density is too low to make this viable. In short, democrats time is far better spend trying to register people [since this results in a net gain of democrats], and in voter turnout on election day [again, because people who don't turn out are more likely to vote democratic]. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that democrats are "above" the tactics republicans use, just that it happens to be the case that legal tactics are better at improving the democratic vote.

    2. Re:what's worse? by hal9000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dude, you wanna talk about voter suppression? Read up about the Dems vs. Nader. Some serious antidemocratic stuff going on there.

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    3. Re:what's worse? by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Informative
      Democrats vs. Nader?

      What about the fact that illegal 527 groups have fought to get Nader on the ballot when they, the groups, are professed Republicans?

      That right there is worse. Think, although neither party shares all of Nader's views the Democrats are arguably the closest thing to him. If Republicans are fighting to get him on the ballot it is for one reason only: to syphon votes from John Kerry.

      Don't even try that bullshit about Republicans fighting for Nader's rights either because it won't hold water. If they really cared about Nader they would adopt some of his ideas

      From this page:
      In its July 12th edition, Newsweek reported that of the $1 million that Nader has raised for his campaign so far, about $50,000 is from donors who have also given to President George W. Bush's campaign. One in 10 of Nader's biggest contributors are longtime Bush supporters. On that list, for example, is Richard Egan, Bush's former ambassador to Ireland and source of more than $1 million in various contributions to Bush's campaign efforts. Egan, his son John and his daughter-in-law Pamela each contributed the maximum $2,000 donation to Nader's effort.

      Houston businessman and longtime Bush-family friend Nijad Fares, the son of Lebanese Deputy Prime Minister Issam Fares, also gave $2,000 to Nader. In 2000 Fares gave $200,000 to the Bush Inaugural fund. The state Republican committees in Michigan and Florida have announced efforts to collect signatures to get Nader on the ballot in those states.

      In Arizona, the state's Democratic Party claims that half of the 10,000 registered voters who signed petitions last month to get Nader on the ballot were Republicans.


      More?

      Oregon is the state being hit the most with these underhanded actions. Why? Because there are lots of liberals up in Oregon who would vote for Nader just as fast as they would vote for Kerry.

      When Nader takes money from groups like "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" it makes me wonder if he really is the man he says he is. Has Nader realized that running for office is a very lucrative job?
  2. How is this "voter intimidation"? by revscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How can this even remotely be called "voter intimidation"? Who is being encouraged or pressured not to vote? This looks like nothing more than the DNC calling on all citizens to raise a hue and cry whenever they experience vote fraud.

    And I hate to be the one to break the story, but Drudge isn't he most reliable of sources...

    1. Re:How is this "voter intimidation"? by clickster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you have got it backwards. What Drudge is saying is that Democrats are wanting to say that THEY were intimidated, regardless of whether or not it exists. For the record, I am a Democrat and will be voting Democrat. But if this manual is real, I have to say that I am ashamed to be associated with whoever wrote it or intended to follow it.

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    2. Re:How is this "voter intimidation"? by drakaan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Okay...here's the thing. The page from the manual says:

      2. If no signs of intimidation have emerged yet, launch a "pre-emptive
      strike" (particularly well-suited to states in which there[sic] techniques have been tried
      in the past).

      - Issue a press release
      i. Reviewing Republican tactic used in the past in your area or state
      ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing
      tactics that discourage people from voting
      - Prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking
      points
      - Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat
      of intimidation tactics
      - Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly
      disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or
      about what will happen at the polls

      If there's nobody being intimidated, do the following (why, exactly? because you wish there was intimidation to point out?)

      • Send out a press release about past times when it *has* happened...nothing like creating problems where they don't exist.
      • In the press release, quote stuff from respected people that talks about the (currently nonexistent) intimidation of voters being a horrible thing (which it is, when it happens)
      • Get minority leaders ready to talk about it (even though it's not happening), and give them talking points to emphasise that the problem of voter intimidation (which isn't occurring) is a bad one
      • Put stories from the leaders (about the intimidation tactics that you're just waiting to see evidence of) that you've primed wherever possible, so that people will see them
      • Warn local newspapersnot to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or about what will happen at the polls (hey, that one actually seems sensible, assuming papers are stupid enough not to know this already).

      Perhaps "Make stuff up" vs. "emphasise what happened in the past (since there's nothing happening now)" is different, but please don't try to say that this manual isn't going to lead to some pretty big misperceptions about whether voter intimidation is happening. This is politics meeting group psychology, and not in a good way.

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  3. Re:Pre-Emptive Strike? by revscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course not. But there are greater and lesser crimes, and this is a much, MUCH lesser crime than the active disenfranchisement of voters as sponsored by the RNC over the past two weeks. This action by the Democrats is tawdry at worst. The destruction of voter registration cards is CRIMINAL, and worthy of no lesser punishment than death.

  4. Drudge report vs Druge Retort (More Politics) by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem, some casual readers might think this is a professional news site and not realize its a news & gossip site from a man (Matt Drudge) with right wing view.

    If you go over to Drudge.com You can read the Drudge Retort, a counter view from the left side.

    I read many blog/news/gossip sites, but I like to know the views of the editors and owners. Would you blindly trust everything you read on the Internet? Most sites are not non-partisan, they lean and have viewpoints which cloud true reporting of the issues.

    True non-partisan sites like Factcheck.org and Spinsanity.org have cleared up a some "Sound bites" from both sides. Why can't I get a news channel like this?

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  5. To be fair... by overunderunderdone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That isn't an unreasonable interpretation of what the manual is advising as a practical matter. It says ""If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike," and then urges a P.R. offensive which would include getting civil rights leaders to denounce tactics of which there are "NO SIGNS" - that sounds to me like "complain about voter intimidation even though there are "no signs" that it exists.

    Republicans and Democrats don't trust each other for good reason. Republicans think that Democrats stuff the ballot box with fraudulent votes... dead people, illegal aliens, people voting in multiple times in different jurisdictions etc. THERE IS A LOT OF TRUTH TO THIS.

    Democrats for their part think that Republicans try to suppress turnout. For instance by putting out false information about voting requirements and locations and excessive challenges to the validity of voters. THERE IS A LOT OF TRUTH TO THIS.

    The two types of bad behavior have a certain synergy... Everything that Republicans do about their legitimate fear of fraud is seen as further instances confirming Democrats legitimate fear of suppression and vice versa. For instance: Republicans convinced there is fraud going on (which is often true) are excessive in their efforts to purge the polls, those challenges are seen by Democrats as intimidation (which it often is), the more Democrats complain and insist on laws that prevent purging the rolls the more Republicans are convinced that the fix is in. Around and around it goes.

  6. Re:Pre-Emptive Strike? by revscat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That's all you got? Some right-wing blog? Here's the deal, man: I start off with the assumption, based on hard experience, that all conservatives are liars, especially when it comes to the GOP. You point out something with a little more substance, we'll talk. Until then, I've seen a CRAPLOAD more evidence that the RNC is funding vote fraud, including vocal support for such efforts from conservatives like Michael Savage ("those commie idiots shouldn't be allowed to vote!") than I have from the Democrats. See, I AM a Democrat, an active one, and I have NEVER heard a fellow Democrat encourage vote fraude by either word or deed. I HAVE heard Republicans defend it.

    So no, both sides are not equally complicit. The GOP is far and away more criminal.

  7. Reading is fundamental by eXtro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The document doesn't say to make false allegations of intimidation. What it says is that in jurisdictions where intimidation and misinformation has happened in the past be proactive. It says to make sure that the media reports on the past unethical activities so that people are both watching out for it and aware of their rights as voters.

  8. Democrats are the party of intimidation by jgardn · · Score: 3, Informative

    * Democrats claim Bush will reinstate the draft. Despite two bills introduced by Democrats, Bush absolutely claims that no draft will be done, even going as far as to explain that the draft would be contrary for their plans for better trained, more mobile army.

    * It was Democrats, not Republicans, who actively lynched blacks in the South for voting, who instituted poll taxes and reading requirements. Republicans are the ones who fought them and instituted federal rules on who is and is not allowed to vote, and prosecuted the lynchings by the Democrat Ku Klux Klan. (Yes, that's right, most KKK members were democrats!)

    * It was Democrats, not Republicans, who managed the counties where the voters were reportedly disenfranchised in Florida during the 2000 election scandal. The butterfly ballot was approved by democrat election officials. This claim was unsubstantiated because it didn't happen, yet they continue to insinuate it.

    * It was Democrats, not Republicans, who want illegal aliens and non-citizens to vote. They impose the "don't ask, don't tell" policy for motor voters, where even the forms cannot state the requirements for voting.

    * It is Democrats, not Republicans, who have told the elderly that if Bush is elected, their social security check would disappear. Newsflash: They are still getting their social security checks.

    * When someone comes along and says, "Maybe we should purge the rolls of inactive or moved voters, or at least verify people's identity before they vote" it is Democrats, not Republicans, who scream bloody murder and say we are trying to disenfranchise voters.

    I'll get modded down, and I know it, but those who browse at -1 will get to see the truth.

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