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Jon Stewart on CNN's Crossfire
BoldAC writes "Instead of plugging his new book, Jon Stewart tonight on CNN's Crossfire used his time to slam the media's coverage of the election. Although Stewart leans left, he attacked political shows and begged them: 'Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.' Is it time to really stop all the political games that both sides play? Torrent of the event is available." And another set of .torrent links.
> What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
The part that goes "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" apparently, since that's what everyone omits when they talk about the 2nd amendment. Trained with a citizen's militia lately?
Ahem. Quoted from a answer to this statement on one of my sites.
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
But that's talking about the National Guard, right? Well, no, actually it's not.
I refer you to U.S. Code, Title 10, Subtitle A, Part 1, Sec. 311
"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard"
So the 2nd amendment would more accurately read "A well armed force consisting of all able-bodied civilians and female members of the national guard between ages 17 to 45 being necessary to the security of a free state...."
In the analysis, the problematic word is "regulated"; the meaning of the word in the late 1700's and the meaning of the word at present are different.
To anyone who has actually studied the situation from a neutral point of view instead of just listening to current commentary on the issue, it's really, really obvious.
Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
Not for long. When broadcast flag is implemented, digital recorders can be forced to disallow recording shows (and also ouput macrovision protection to try to keep analog devices from recording). What if these people, as part of their conditions of appearing on the show, demanded that the bflag was set for "DO NOT RECORD"? Keep those camcorders handy -- soon that might be the only way to keep a record of this stuff.
The part that goes "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" apparently, since that's what everyone omits when they talk about the 2nd amendment.
The whole thing won't fit into a slash sig, otherwise it would be there. I'll note that when correcting my excerpt, you declined to add in "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" which is what folks like you seem to omit when they bring up the subject.
That said, I fail to see how the beginning of the amendment, which lays out its purpose, sufficiently modifies "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" to the point where you conclude that it's okay to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
Trained with a citizen's militia lately?
I'm guessing that if I had, I'd fall squarely into your definition of "people who shouldn't have guns." By the way, read 10 USC 311. You might be surprised.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard"
So if the 2nd Amendment is specifically proscribed by 10 U.S.C. 311, do you concede that it only grants 17-to-45 year old males, and female members of the national gaurd, the right to keep and bear arms? No one else in the country has a (constitutional) right to own/possess a gun?
Ethics do not necessarily match up with law.
Stop trolling and think.
We are moving more and more rapidly toward a post-intellectual property society. There are going to be lots of people who don't like it, but the fact remains that it's coming and no amount of legislation is going to fix it.
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The saddest thing is that I am a big fan of Jon Stewart - but I don't think that ra-ra-ra is the right way to be a fan of anybody. The moderation system here has pretty much gone from broken to pathetic.
As much as I really hate to say it, yes. I have a different personal interpretation of it, that the people described have an obligation and duty to keep and bear arms, while for people outside the range it's a personal choice thing, but thats an opinion and not specifically spelled out.
So it would be up to the states to say who within the non-militia group had a right to keep and bear arms.
Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822.3
Interesting sig. I think you may mean Mr. Spock, unless the advice comes from Baby and Child Care .
Has anyone read the portrait of dorian grey, this discussion reminds me of that book.