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New NetBSD Port, NetBSD/Iyonix
agent dero writes "Gavan Fantom of NetBSD, has imported a new port into the NetBSD source tree, the new NetBSD/iyonix port.
The IYONIX pc is an ARM-based desktop machine. It offers virtually silent operation, low heat, and all the other odds and ends offered by a modern PC. NetBSD is one port closer to a NetBSD/toaster port."
Well, port like port, they will make NetBSD run on everything. Having quite open ARM machine with existing Linux port makes is trivial for porting gurus to port NetBSD to it.
But the machine itself...? Oh my God, why is this piece of trash SO expensive?
I mean, you can buy VIA EPIA low-power, low-noise for a fraction of that price. If you want to go kinky, you can buy standard size ATX PowerPC board capable of running MorphOS (Amiga OS clone) and Linux for 415eur (G3 600MHz) or 670eur (G4 1GHz).
So, aside from running Risc OS, why would I want to buy that?
Robert
Bastard Operator From 193.219.28.162
>Now only if it were useful as a desktop OS...
Why should it not be ? Note that beeing a desktop OS isn't NetBSDs goal,
but you can run just the same KDE/Gnome/whatever desktop on it as on a linux distro. I have NetBSD and Fedora dual booting. There really isn't that much diffrence once things are set up.
I also tend to agree, but i rarely see reasonable priced ones at all...
I guess its all about 'mass production' compared to 'limited market'...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
So since NetBSD has the same DE's and WM's as linux we therefore conclude that linux is equally useless as a desktop OS. Way to stick your foot in your mouth on that one...
Machines called 'toasters' (by the faithful) already based upon NetBSD (long long ago, see the aknowledgements in a DataOnTap manual near you).
...an Englishman in London.
Thats the same argument I use when people ask why I run windows. I've got the same gnu binutils, perl, gaim, moz, ssh, etc as I would on linux. I could even run kde if I were into that sort of thing (I'm not).
Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
Man if you can run KDE or Gnome on your toaster, then... well, you paid too much for your toaster.
http://www.funnyhumor.com/jokes/254.html
"Go to CNN [for a] spell-checked, fact-checked summary" -- CmdrTaco
But don't many toasters only have 1 bit of memory? And that bit tends to zero itself after a minute or two. Can NetBSD be ported to a machine with only one bit?
I'd like to see that.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
Well you might consider that Linux supports suspend, hotplug, ACPI, lots of devices and therefore conclude that Linux might be better for the desktop.
One of these. The wonders of mini-ITX and people with far too much time on their hands...
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md5sum -c reality.md5
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md5sum: WARNING: 1 of 1 computed checksum did NOT match
well, NetBSD 2.0 will:
- suspend (not hibernate) - you said suspend though, do you really know what it means?
- hotplug (what the hell is that? I can plug in my thumbnail drive on NetBSD after it has booted and mount it, is that the same thing?)
- ACPI: check (in 2.0)
- 'lots of devices': I have lots of devices, see GENERIC.
Try again, oh ignorant troll?
- suspend (not hibernate) - you said suspend though, do you really know what it means?
OK.
- hotplug (what the hell is that? I can plug in my thumbnail drive on NetBSD after it has booted and mount it, is that the same thing?)
In Linux one can plug and unplug PCI cards, even PCI controllers, CPUs, etc.
- ACPI: check (in 2.0)
OK.
- 'lots of devices': I have lots of devices, see GENERIC.
Not nearly as many as Linux for 386. NetBSD doesn't support nearly as many CPU ISAs either, nor as many relevant ones (oooh it has vax, but no PPC64 or IA64 - the two fastest CPUs available today).
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep)
Once you have 32 CPUs or so and have an OS that is able to run pretty well on those (Linux does, depending on the workload of course, people are
using Altixes with 256-512 in a single system image and are quite happy with them), being to able to replace cpus without rebooting starts getting pretty important (since occasionally they do fail).
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
Go back to play with linux, cute little kid! :-D
*cough* I said "no txt".
Actually, there is a fridge that runs NetBSD, for real! I believe it's LG that makes it. Xerox I know uses BSD a lot in their photocopiers too.
um, weren't we talking about the desktop? have you ever hotplugged a cpu on your desktop?
No, but I plug and unplug PCI devices.
I've also got a G5 on my desktop.
No, it is a cool feature. With the i386 implementation, you can turn off CPUs on the fly (can't actually unplug them because no i386 hardware that I know of supports it).
Why? This allows you to turn on or off HT on the fly; run tests with various numbers of processors without rebooting, etc. *Very* useful to me as a developer.
The HA side of things of course isn't so interesting to me, but there is definitely a market for it.
Err... that's right; in Linux you can hot unplug CPUs.
You must have some sort of learning disability if you find that so hard to grasp.
... cute little poet. :-D
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep)
look... a cute little singer, too! :-D
(oh, please... learn to spell "revival". I hate ignorant trolls.)
how *bored* were you when you wrote that?
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
It's sooo nice to see people make big efforts to prove a fake point, and then push them back with one line of truth. :-)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
P.S. Windows is lame (agreed), but you're not a windows user.
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep) :-)
Do it. Your community needs good coders - badly. :-D
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
:-D
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
You have a crappy WM for native windows apps.
fork() is terribly slow in cygwin.
Windows eats more resources, is more expensive...
In the comments to this story (may 2004: the one with the first I2-Land Speed Record established by NetBSD), the researchers say explicitly that they tested the other OS's as well, and while FreeBSD and NetBSD IP stacks are more or less equivalent, the Linux one performed pretty poorly.
--To support SMP
Uhh.. 2.0 does. And in fact, rather than ever *releasing* the "Giant-Lock" type of SMP (cough, if you can call it SMP), they concentrated on doing it *right* in the 1st place.
--To generate media attention
Ah, and SCO and Microsoft generate a ton of "media attention", and MS has the market-share, so they must be far better OS's than Linux or BSD...
--To spawn a professionally managed distribution
Are we talking RedHat? Should I mention that all the BSD's are forked from the original 4.4BSD source, which was SunOS4.x... Besides, I find the BSD crowd *far* more professional in terms of coding practice and getting it "right".
--To innovate
Thats why NetBSD had support for USB before even Linux had it... because they don't innovate, eh?
--To be relevant.
I think you'd have to define "relevant". I find NetBSD (my personal choice) to be far more stable than RedHat at work, and with SMP coming in 2.0 I'd even think about migrating at work, if I could convince management. Of course, management doesn't look at technical realities, they just look at that "media attention" (aka. "hype") and eat it up.
Uhh.. 2.0 does. And in fact, rather than ever *releasing* the "Giant-Lock" type of SMP (cough, if you can call it SMP), they concentrated on doing it *right* in the 1st place.
Uhh.. *Sorry* *buddy*, *NetBSD* *doesn't* *have* *fine* *grained* *locking*.
If you want to look at doing it right, look no further than Linux, which scales up to hundreds of CPUs.
Thats why NetBSD had support for USB before even Linux had it... because they don't innovate, eh?
Woohoo, USB support. Takes a lot of innovating to make a new driver subsystem, doesn't it? For some definitions of innovate, anyway (ie. Microsoft's).
I think you'd have to define "relevant". I find NetBSD (my personal choice) to be far more stable than RedHat at work, and with SMP coming in 2.0
Funny, I find Linux to be far more stable than NetBSD, but I'll admit that is just meaningless and biased anecdotal evidence that I can't back up with any facts.
But with the SMP and NUMA support that is already in Linux, it would be a huge backwards step for me to use NetBSD on my quad Opteron here.
Funny, I find Linux to be far more stable than NetBSD, but I'll admit that is just meaningless and biased anecdotal evidence that I can't back up with any facts.
At last, something that makes sense! :-D
Now, if you would just admit you're an ignorant troll who's unable to code even 2 lines, then our agreement would be *really* complete.
You're the moron who thought NetBSD had fine grained SMP. You don't even know your about the operating system you use. Spastic. Of course it is the oldest trolling trick in the book to ignore the real points of an argument by changing the subject and concentrating on minor things. Trolly.
And the fact that you think your "NetBSD is much stabler and better than Linux" _isn't_ meaningless and biased is just sweet irony at its best.
The AC who replied to your first troll post wasn't me. I just replied to one particularly clueless statement of yours.
Didn't you notice the different style?
...Do you think *I* do abase myself to discuss serious things with *you*, our "BSD's dead" Troll? :-D
NetBSD Internet2 Land Speed World Record (the 1st - May 2004) :-)
NetBSD Internet2 Land Speed World Record (the 2nd - Sep 2004)
Yes, the researchers tried with Linux as well (they say it the comments to the 1st story)... the *BSD's IP stack was simply superior.