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Every 5th Call At Dell Is Spyware-Related

prostoalex writes "Financial Express quotes a Dell executive saying that spyware is installed on roughly 90% computers out there. Right now 20% of all Dell phone support calls are spyware-related. University of Washington research this March published a moderate estimate of 5.1% PCs running spyware."

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  1. Due to awareness? by fembots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article Spyware-related phone calls now make up as much as 20 percent of all help calls, compared with just 1 percent to 2 percent in August, 2003

    Is this because users are now more aware of the existance of spyware, rather than the actual 19% increase?

    For instance, in 2003, Joe-granpa probably didn't know/care why his modem's blinking non-stop, but he does now.

  2. Re:Well 10%.... by JPriest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And 20% of them may be calling Dell for help, another 20% or 30% calls their ISP instead.

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  3. Re:In that case... by Naffer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most schools don't trust their educated college students with electric cooking elements. Think about it...

  4. Re:Okay by superpeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's probably somewhere in between 5% and 90%...
    Actually, it could be 5% or 90%. I look after machines in the towns round here for home users and businesses. Over the last few months about 90% of the jobs I have done for home users have been removing spyware or viruses, but only 5% or 10% of jobs for businesses have been spyware related.

  5. I see it all the time by agressiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd venture to say that most non-tech savvy computers have some sort of spyware/adware installed. Why do these people get it?

    1) They accidently click on something they didn't mean to, because of a popup. It goes downhill from there, since many spyware programs act like virii and have some friends join the fray.

    2) Users that hit porn sites. These are the black hole of spyware, and while I've told them "stop looking at the porn and you wont get this crap", and they say they don't, yet I see their Internet Explorer history and its just filled with porn urls.

    While my parents are largely #1, I've switched them to firefox and its gone down dramatically. I still catch them using IE for things like OWA and a few other IE-sites (and they will re-use the browser window to do other things).

    I simply got tired of deal with them calling me about "CoolWebSearch" and tons of other junk that pisses me off.

    I use Internet Explorer *and* firefox to browse the web, and I never get *any* spyware - I just know what to look out for. I'd say at least 80% of the people out there don't.

    It also helps if you surf the web as a non-priveldged account - those are, for the most part, invulnerable to spyware. Just as none of you would use any web browser on linux as root -

    agressiv

  6. Spyware is the chronic disorder of Windows today by Frater+219 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This just goes to show what security folks who have to deal with ordinary, average users have been saying for quite some time now: spyware is the #1 security problem for the ordinary Windows user today. Break-ins, worms, and viruses are all nasty problems indeed, but they do not cause the level of sheer aggravation and suffering that spyware does.

    A worm outbreak today is an acute disorder -- the bulk of the damage is done in one day, even a handful of hours or minutes. Even though recovering a business or department from it can take longer, the outbreak itself burns through the vulnerable population pretty quickly, and starves itself. Spyware, because it's rooted in long-standing bad security practices both by Microsoft and by Windows users, is a chronic disorder -- it doesn't just shut you down for a day or so; it degrades your online life over a long, nasty time.

    To extend the analogy perhaps too far: A flash worm is like Ebola: it kills its victims quickly and messily and leaves a disgusting corpse. Everyone knows when it's in town because of the gory sacks of flesh lying around the streets. Spyware is like cirrhosis of the liver. It comes from doing something bad over a long period of time. It doesn't spread to others materially, though long-term excessive drinking (which causes it) can "spread" memetically in a population, as do bad Windows security practices. And, eventually, it causes the affected organ to be overwhelmed and just shut down.

    The spyware situation today is one created by a nexus of influences:

    • Bad security design in Microsoft Windows,
    • Absent security education for the ordinary user,
    • The unethical business practice of contract date-rape, and
    • Negligent refusal on the part of law enforcement to respond to electronic trespass offenses in other media, such as e-mail spam.

    The first two are well-known and I will not address them further. The latter are not.

    What I call contract date-rape is the evil represented by so-called "end-user license agreements" and other documents which purport to represent agreements between software publishers and computer owners. The unethical business practice of software publishers is as follows: The computer owner buys a piece of software and installs it, only to find that it is designed so that it cannot be run without "accepting" an "agreement" which waives the owner's rights -- such as resale rights, rights to a refund for defective merchandise, or even free-speech rights. Then, when the software does something harmful and the owner seeks recourse, he is told that he "consented" to whatever harm was done, simply by the act of using what he purchased.

    It is contract date-rape which puts the lie to that old FUD about open-source software: "But whom do you sue when it breaks and doesn't get fixed?" The owner of a computer using proprietary software under a Microsoft-style EULA does not have any enforceable rights against the publisher. Windows does break in many ways that Microsoft doesn't fix, but nobody is suing Microsoft for it. Why? Whether the EULA is in fact legally binding or not, both Microsoft and computer owners regard it as leaving Microsoft with no obligations.

    (Of course, software was not always sold on "as-is" terms that were intended in law for used and defective products. Nor was it sold on terms that used copyright law as a cudgel with which to deprive users of rights such as fair comment and resale. Contract date-rape is not an endemic problem of proprietary software; it is one that proprietary software publishers have chosen for themselves.)

    And it is the methodical use of contract date-rape which leads to the situation we have with spyware today. Spyware gets into a computer owner's property unannounced, alongside some piece of (presumably) desired software. It is a Trojan horse in the original sense -- sooner or later, it bursts open and out pour the soldiers of the enemy, who go about merrily burning w

  7. In defense of M$FT - have to disagree on one item by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The spyware situation today is one created by a nexus of influences:
    1) Bad security design in Microsoft Windows,
    2) Absent security education for the ordinary user,
    3) The unethical business practice of contract date-rape, and
    4) Negligent refusal on the part of law enforcement to respond to electronic trespass offenses in other media, such as e-mail spam.

    I can't argue with 3) or 4). But as for 1) [and it touches a little on 2)], we've been running Windows NT & Windows 2000 for more than five years now, and we've NEVER had a SINGLE piece of spyware installed on any of our systems. [Never had a virus or a worm either, although I hope I didn't just jinx myself by saying that.]

    You know why? BECAUSE NONE OF OUR END-USERS LOG ON AS ADMINISTRATORS!!! That's it - it's that simple. They don't have Administrative rights, and they can't install spyware [or viruses, or worms]. [Of course, yours truly installs the latest security patches as soon as they appear, and has always had all of his users behind a fire wall, but that's not the important point here.]

    If you surf the web as an Administrator [Root] on OSX, or if you surf the web as an Administrator [Root] on Linux, you're every bit as prone to this stuff as any Microsoft user surfing the web as an Administrator [or you would be, if those operating systems had large enough market share for the spyware people to be bothered with writing spyware for them].

  8. I tried by bluGill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I tried to set my friends up that way. It isn't hard, XP comes with that ability, even in the home version. Setting up is easy enough. Making it work is another matter though. Nearly half of the programs my friends want to run do not work correctly without administrator rights. This includes software for XP from Microsoft!

    In the end I gave up, ideally they wouldn't use the administrator account except when needed, but practically their computer didn't work without it. Switching users takes time and is a pain. Not hard, and it doesn't take long, but annoying enough that I can't call it a solution.

    Remember this is a home environment, not a work environment. They don't have someone checking out software from various competitors to see if it meets requirements. If Best Buy sells it they buy it, and expect it to work. (note that you can almost never return software after finding out that it doesn't work without administrator rights)