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The Man Who Could Have Been Bill Gates

theodp writes "BusinessWeek discusses They Made America, a new book which claims Bill Gates got the rewards due Gary Kildall. The book attacks the reputations of key early PC era players - Gates, IBM, and QDOS programmer Tim Paterson - asserting that Paterson copied parts of Kildall's CP/M and that IBM tricked Kildall, allowing Gates to prevail and depriving Kildall of untold riches and credit for a seminal role in the PC revolution. Some material came from an unpublished memoir penned by Kildall after the University of Washington, where Kildall earned a PhD, picked Harvard dropout Gates as keynote speaker for the 25th anniversary of its CS program."

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  1. Wrong person by mirko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bill Gates was a negociator, not a programmer, that's why the other could in no way have become him.

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    1. Re:Wrong person by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. Kildall was never known for his business sense. He was known as an "inventor" and a programmer. Gates was smart in doing what he did back then (royalty fees and the such). He let others do the work for him and he made the money. Others just couldn't see the future. Apparently Gates could (at least then).

      Some might view Kildall's story as being a sad one. A man driven to alcohol because his wife wouldn't sign an NDA or because he supposedly went flying. Whatever. The man had a poor business sense and he didn't see the value in doing what he needed to do to win.

      It's not like he didn't make a ton of money. He ended up selling out to Novell for something like $125 million. Honestly, I think that's significant.

    2. Re:Wrong person by DigitumDei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being beaten by someone who he obviously thought was undeserving could quite easily drive someone to drink. It's not because of the money, it's the fame, and the fact that people say Bill Gates invented something that in reality he felt was his creation.

      The "theft" of something you create can burn the soul much more than any loss of money.

    3. Re:Wrong person by Loco3KGT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You missed the point of his post entirely.

      Bill Gates' rise to fame and power is because of his skill as a businessman - which I'm sure can be attributed to the laywer heritage he comes from.

      Kildall was a programmer - pure and simple. He didn't stand a chance on the open market against Gates.

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    4. Re:Wrong person by EulerX07 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hardly think he got short changed then. I'd rather have 125 million and be relatively anonymous then be the richest guy on the planet, but unable to walk around in public without being annoyed (like movie/music/sport stars).

      Not that I have a choice between either unfortunately.

    5. Re:Wrong person by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the article:

      Kildall ultimately sold his company to Novell Inc. (NOVL ) in 1991 for $120 million. He went on to create some pioneering multimedia technology, but never again was an industry player.

      You know, after you break the $100 million mark I stop feeling sorry for you losing out on business deals.

    6. Re:Wrong person by !ucif3r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can't say I have read that book, but it is flat out wrong. Paul and Bill met in high school. He was not a friend of Gates' mother. I suppose that is why that inacurate biography is 'unnofficial'. The guy was 2 years older than him, how could he have been doing charity work with Gates' mother? Allen was also a interested programmer and worked with Gates during the entire period, from meeting in highschool until they created Microsoft. Heck, any Google on this will turn up tons of results explaining just that (including Encarta) Basic was co-authored with Allen, it was not just Gates' creation. Finally Allen is generally credited with spearheading the QDOS deal that got MS started (even by the IBM 'geeks' who worked with him acknowledge this). Why can't anyone get their facts straight before posting on SD?

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  2. Coulda woulda shoulda by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what? Life is not fair and never has been. I'm sure history is rife with examples of people 'not getting their due'.

    Waaaa...waaaa...waaaaaahhhh. Cry me a river!

  3. Kildall is no Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gates deserved his accolades for being a shrewd businessman, not for his programming skills. Kildall doesn't deserve them for precisely that reason, because he isn't a good businessman, couldn't promote himself or his products, etc.

    It's no good being a great programmer or having a great product generally if you can't communicate that or convince anyone of it.

  4. technical brilliance? by jstave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    from TFA: For all his technical brilliance, he was a poor businessman. I think that's the real point. It certainly wasn't technical superiority that got Microsoft where it is today. It was marketing superiority.

  5. Trusting IBM by amigoro · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I had the misfortune of being employed by IBM for about 15 months. I had to sign this contract by which I effectively sold my intellectual property rights to IBM, even a few years after the termination of my contract. And I found out how ideas are developed at IBM. I was just a 19 then. I didn't know better. But I would never make that mistake again. The process goes something like this. You are young and innovative. You come up with a brillian idea. IBM takes it from you. IBM gives it to a different department. You are never ever to have anything to do with your idea ever again. Your name is not even mentioned when the final product is released. You get absolutely no credit. I can well believe that IBM tricked Kildall. I wonder how long it would be before IBM tricks the open source community.

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    1. Re:Trusting IBM by confused+one · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Welcome to the real world.

      No, seriously, I don't mean to sound sarcastic; but, really... You worked for IBM. You came up with an idea on IBM's time. You told them about it. They own it. They can do what they want with it. Done.

      As for getting credit... products from large corporations like that are usually faceless. You don't get a copy of, say, AIX, with the authors name on the front page of the manual. It MAY be embedded in the source, if you have access to the source. That's the only place you'll likely find a name.

  6. Quoteth a former president by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    PRESS ON. Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing in the world is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
    • Calvin Coolidge US politician (1872 - 1933)
  7. Re:Bil Gates... by kahei · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Yes, in the case of software, commercializing, while just as important, is harder.

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  8. ye gods by HBI · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "persistence". Okay. That very CP/M that IBM and Microsoft stole from him was the basis for DR-DOS (via CP/M-86), which Microsoft proceeded to sandbag via various anticompetitive means, ultimately resulting in a very hefty payoff for Caldera, plus significant contribution to the antitrust case against Microsoft.

    He was persistent. He did work hard. He had a slime ball working against him for whom laws are optional.

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  9. Technical prowess != biggest fish in the big pond by shoppa · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's not automatically true that if you've got a good running product that you can beat the sales team with no actual product.

    Even if you're product is technically best by some measure there are other products that may be technically better by some other measure. Hindsight often tells you which benchmark was right and which was wrong but in the heat of battle it's hard to see the forest for the trees.

    And all that said, oftentimes the selected product is simply vaporware (as was MS-DOS until Gates bought QDOS) when there are real running products out there. Part of it is salesmanship on one side and lack of salesmanship on the other side, but usually there's some favors being traded under the table.

    And while Kildall wasn't the biggest fish in that pond, he had hooks into a number of software packages (CP/M was being sold on millions of PC's, the DR languages and tools too).

  10. The Parasitic Sub-Society of The Elites by Cryofan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many Slashdotters probably know that the reason IBM worked with Gates and no one else is because Gates's family was rich and well connected. Gates's mother was probably the one that got him in good with IBM. Gates's mother served on the board of the United Way with IBM's Chairman John Opel. What a coincidence!

    This is just another example of how the elites at the top of the hieracrchy operate as some sort of parasitic sub-society, perched above us, exploiting the rest of us, feeding off of us.

    You may think that my perspective is warped, paranoid, whatever. But I think it serves as a reality check and a balance to the omnipresent messages of confomuity that society and the media flood us with every day.

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    1. Re:The Parasitic Sub-Society of The Elites by FacePlant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Furrfu! That's called networking. "It's who you know" is an axiom at all levels of society. Get out from in front of your computer and do things with people. One of them may be the key to your future. Stop whining. Life isn't fair. Buy a helmet and a hanky. Read "Fire your boss". If you want something to fall into your lap, your lap has to be where things can fall into it. And what the hell is confomuity? I like that word. Can I use it too?

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    2. Re:The Parasitic Sub-Society of The Elites by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Many Slashdotters probably know that the reason IBM worked with Gates and no one else is because Gates's family was rich and well connected.

      Microsoft was incorporated in 1975. By 1980 it was well established and strongly positioned as a language company for microcomputers. MBASIC, FORTRAN, COBOL. It was certainly not an unknown quantity to IBM.

  11. Re:Bil Gates... by MvD_Moscow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...but those with the huge persistence and blind arrogance required to forge a new business area are rare and valuable. And of what use are these people without the ideas themselves? Without the ideas no amount of arrogace or persistence will allow you to achieve great hieghts.

  12. Re:Not entirely untold by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It wasn't that he refused to talk with them, just that he didn't think he was needed for that meeting. Business discusions were handled by someone else at DRI. (His wife?) IBM expected to meet with the head of the company. And there was the problem when IBM slapped down their standard non-disclosure agreement.

    It was a fumble and mismatch of corporate cultures that Bill Gates was quick to take advantage of.

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  13. No, and I'll tell you why by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone on /. seems to assume that coding is the alpha and the omega and nothing else matters. That if you code some clever algorithm, screw the interface, screw users and screw marketting. Only the high magic hacking matters, right.

    You see that attitude reflected in 100,000 piss-poor open source projects that noone wants to use. They've got all these cool optimizations and clever hacks, and should have been the next greatest thing. Except they aren't, because noone gives a damn about them.

    What makes a program or a company successful is what you do _after_ you have the cool algorithm or hack. Like user interface. Or like usability.

    The same goes for CP/M. It was barely a program loader with the most minimalistic command-line interface. Even internally it was a primitive monolythic piece of code that basically it didn't even have DOS's (or Unix's) separation between directory entry and allocation table. It would have required a complete redesign just to support bigger floppies.

    DOS or CP/M were but a starting point, _not_ a killer app that turned MS into a monopoly over night. Sure, the cash infusion from DOS helped a lot to get them started. But if MS had stayed happily making just DOS, they'd still be a small company noone gives a damn. In fact, less than that, since other OSs were more advanced and Moore's Law would soon make a PC good enough to use those instead of DOS.

    The story of MS is far more complex than that of DOS alone. And their monopoly isn't just the OS, it's a whole lot of interlocking pieces which make the OS a must.

    It includes for starters making some damn good and _affordable_ apps for it too. When you ask someone why don't they switch to Linux, what's the ISO standard answer you'll get? "Does it run Word, Excel and IE?" They jumped on any app idea that looked like their users might need badly.

    It also includes caring about the developpers. Yes, laugh all you want at Uncle Fester's "developpers developpers developpers" monkey dance. But _that_ is what kept Windows having a steady stream of apps, while for other OSs you'd have a hard time just getting any dev tools at all.

    Basically while all the idiots thought "noooo, you can't take my precioussss compiler! I want to be the only one who sells apps for my OS!" and left you begging for months even for a compiler, MS almost gave away everything you could possibly want to make an app.

    It also includes being smart enough to realize the importance of users and of a good UI. You know why the relationship between IBM and Microsoft went sour? Because the idiots at IBM thought a GUI was a waste of money. That MS should concentrate on just making an API for geeks, and stop wasting money on stuff like a GUI.

    Etc, etc, etc.

    Saying that just replacing DOS with CP/M would have made another company become Microsoft, is short sighted and idiotic.

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  14. Re:Bil Gates... by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not a matter of admiration. It's simply a matter of telling the truth and only giving people credit for their own accomplishments.

    Ford did not invent the assembly line.
    Edison did not invent the lightbulb.
    Gates did not invent the internet.

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  15. Re:Free Stuff by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Microsoft .NET Framework and SDK are free.
    The Microsoft C# compiler is free.
    The Microsoft VB.NET compiler is free.
    The Microsoft C compiler is free.
    The Microsoft C++ compiler is free.

    A Microsoft WebForm IDE is free (WebMatrix)


    Free as in Beer. Find a bug in VB.NET compiler? Good luck fixing it....

    PS: Ever wonder about the Intellectual Property of Beer producers? Their secret recipes and whatnot? Would they be offended by "Free as in beer"? Funny though, that.

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  16. Bill Gates is a Criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Bill Gates' rise to fame and power is because of his skill as a businessman...

    Wrong.

    Bill Gates rose to power because he is a criminal, and nothing was done when he broke the law.

    Gates had the good fortune to be working in an industry that involved a totally new technology, i.e. software. This meant that the government had no idea what to do about Microsoft's various acts of sabotage, fraud, etc. In a smarter world, the courts would have realized that you don't need new laws, rather, the same laws apply to software as apply to other property, and in other industries.

    Bill Gates won because the leaders of the other companies in the software industry were basically-honest, good businessmen, whereas Gates was a criminal.

    When the law is not enforced, a criminal will beat a businessman every time.

    Let's look at some of Microsoft's history.

    Microsoft was losing to DR-DOS at the start of the nineties, until Microsoft added a false message about the incompatability of DR-DOS (Gates knew it was false from Microsoft's own testing).

    That's fraud -- a criminal act. The courts ignored it.

    Also at that time, Geoworks was five years ahead of Microsoft in providing a modern, working GUI for DOS. DR-DOS and Geoworks were being pre-installed on a large percentage of PCs. But Microsoft made a change to DOS specifically to cause Geoworks to fail.

    That's sabotage -- a criminal act. The courts ignored it.

    WordPerfect had already beaten Microsoft in the Word Processing market. But Microsoft side-tracked Wordperfect when they promised the world that OS/2 was the new direction, then undermined WordPerfect on Windows by providing intentionally-broken API calls.

    That's fraud and sabotage, ignored by the courts.

    Netscape had already beaten Microsoft in the browser market, until Microsoft started doing things like paying companies to break their contracts with Netscape.

    There were various criminal acts there, which were generally ignored by the courts (other than a partial invocation of the nearly-useless anti-trust laws).

    And in Java, Sun provided a cross-platform language that was perfect for web-based applications, such as e-commerce. Microsoft had nothing similar to offer, and it has taken Microsoft ten years to catch up.

    Once again, Microsoft stopped Java with sabotage and fraud. And this time, Microsoft's criminal acts were perfectly documented in Microsoft's own internal papers:

    Sabotage:

    "Strategic Objective . . . Kill cross-platform Java by grow[ing] the polluted Java market."

    Fraud:

    "At this point its [sic] not good to create MORE noise around our win32 java classes. Instead we should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people will take advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building win32-only java apps."

    Some people point to Microsoft as an example of Capitalism at work, but it's not true. When criminals are allowed to get away with their crimes, it actually undermines Capitalism.

    To repeat my initial point. Bill Gates is NOT a "skilled businessman" -- he is a criminal, whose various acts of sabotage, fraud, and so on, should have landed him in jail.