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Tiger Early Start Kit

EccentricAnomaly writes "If you can't wait until next spring for the official release of next version of Mac OS X, Apple is offering a Tiger Early Start Kit to those willing to pay $500 for an Apple Developer Select Membership. And if you don't want to spend the money, they've also added a developer overview page describing some of the guts of Mac OS X v10.4."

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  1. Quartz/JavaScript support? by kngthdn · · Score: 5, Informative

    The advanced drawing capabilities of Quartz are exposed to the Web Kit environment through a set of modular extensions to HTML. This will let you draw beautiful user interfaces using JavaScript.

    This has got to be the coolest new feature, considering how weak DHTML currently is. I could be wrong, but adding support for other APIs doesn't seem like it would be too hard. I'd love to finally be able to ditch Win32.

    1. Re:Quartz/JavaScript support? by cyfer2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      doesn't this look like XUL?

      I bet there will be a website like Mozilla update's extension portion, and provide free downloading of millions, ah... sorry, maybe thousands, ah... maybe hundreds, never mind, of open source small applications! Brillian days of Apple are coming via these small applications! Maybe.

      Doesn't MS is also doing something alike named XAML?

      I'd like to buy some stock of Macromedia, dreamweaver may become a major developing tool in next ten years.

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    2. Re:Quartz/JavaScript support? by Magnus+Reftel · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is likely a reference to Safari's new canvas tag, mainly intended for dashboard. A version of it is being specified in the graphics part of the WAHT WG Web Applications 1.0 spec, so you're likely to see it in Mozilla sooner or later

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  2. But there is no ... by madsenj37 · · Score: 1, Informative

    But there is no discount for student developers that I can find.

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  3. Re:cheers by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's hoping the G5 powerbook comes out at the same time as Tiger. That is a mac fans wet dream.

    Sorry, but until they have some new lower-power and cooler G5 chip it will never be in a Powerbook. Even the new iMac has big fans in it.

  4. Re:$500 to Beta Test! by boredMDer · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually:

    $500 gets you select ADC membership +
    • Pre-release versions of Mac OS X v10.4 tiger and Xcode 2.0
    • Exclusive access to the latest tiger documentation
    • Direct, one-on-one access to tiger support engineers
    • Special developer discount on the latest Apple hardware
    • GM versions of Mac OS X v10.4 and Xcode 2.0 when available
    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11632974~mo de=flat
  5. Re:Marketing by ColMustard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only Apple releases security patches for Jaguar, so your argument makes no sense. You're not paying for security, you pay for features. If you don't care about the new features then you obviously have no incentive to upgrade and you can keep your money. Not hard.

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  6. No. $500 for ADC membership that comes with extras by Rascasse · · Score: 4, Informative

    You get an ADC membership. This entitles you to an Apple hardware discount, some programming technical support, access to pre-release software and some other niceties. Moreover, this particular deal comes with the WWDC 2004 videos DVD that has already been distributed amongst ADC members. You also get the Tiger beta that developers received at WWDC 2004 (though it's probably a more recent build). The WWDC tutorials are great resources and I'd be more attracted to this offer because of that. One can argue as to whether charging developers for assistance in making software for their platform is a good strategy or not for Apple. But this isn't merely a "$500 for the privilege of beta testing" rip-off.

  7. Re:No. $500 for ADC membership that comes with ext by FosterKanig · · Score: 2, Informative

    Especially helpful if you plan on buying a system. The discount for a dual 2 gig is $500 and the discount for dual 2.5 gig is $600. Forgetting all the other stuff you get, you make your money back right there.

  8. Re:DRM'ed? by burns210 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple doesn't DRM their OSes... You do not receive(nor required to enter on install or later) a activation/product key.. I believe you are given an optional 'registration' type mini-survey that gets sent to Apple, but no personal information is sent, nor is it required.

    Apple doesn't care if you pirate it. They want you to buy it, they make multi-licenses and such a sweet deal and make it worth the money for single licenses. However, Apple makes money on the hardware, and the more users on the latest version of their OS, the less they have to support the old version and the more they can move forward.

  9. Re:Huh? by SamBaughman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let me get this? $500 to be a developer on an OS that is even more marginal than Linux. I guess it's part of the whole Apple mystique to pay for everything.

    Apple gives away their development tools with the OS. The $500 gets you a one-year membership in the developer program, which gets you advance access to OS releases. This is similar to Microsoft's MSDN subscriptions. As compared to an MSDN subscription, I think it's a bargain. Microsoft's MSDN Operating Systems subscription (access just to Microsoft's OSs) is $699 the first year, and $499 thereafter. Want Visual Studio with that? $1,199 for the first year, $899 thereafter. (And, of course, the even higher-level subscriptions with all of Microsoft's server & desktop apps...)

    Oh, and Apple lets you buy one system per year at discount when you're in the developer program. If you're looking for the high-end PowerMac G5 and a Cinema Display, you can save several hundred dollars when you buy the system.

  10. One order of native H263 please by JPyObjC+Dude · · Score: 2, Informative

    The main reason for me to switch (probably with new hardware) is to have native h263 support. All those tv programs, movies, dvd's, dv's that I can pipe down massively in size.

    My own hackable and very efficient Tivo.

    Yummmm.....

  11. Re:$500 to Beta Test! by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 5, Informative


    So, like the first guy said, $500 to beta test. No thank you. Why people fall for this I will never understand-if you want to invest in the company, buy stock.


    You seem to be missing the point -- but then, so do most of the people posting here, so maybe it is the fault of the misleading, biased copy in the Slashdot writeup.

    This program is for DEVELOPERS. You know, people who write software that will run on Apple's OSes. Getting early access to developer tools and upcoming OS releases is *easily worth* $500. I pay about three times more to Microsoft for MSDN for the same purpose -- to get a first look at the operating systems and tools. Not because I want to be first on my block for bragging rights, but because I may want to be first to market with an application that makes use of services in the new OS.

  12. Re:64bit OS by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Apple went from a pascal based operating system (OS9) to a fully functional, hyper powerful OS in less than 10 years.
    Well, to be fair, though Apple did originally design the Mac OS with Pascal in mind as the primary programming language, Pascal had already been obsoleted in Apple's MPW compiler architecture by 1995, in favor of C/C++. You could still buy all the programming references with examples written in Pascal and the C headers all specified Pascal parameter-passing convetions, but the Mac OS world had pretty much transitioned to C by the time the PowerPC showed up. By the time Mac OS 9 shipped, you could hardly say it was a "Pascal based" operating system (in fact, I'm not even really sure what that phrase means).
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  13. Re:GCC 4? by k98sven · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, the next GCC release will be 4.0.0 (previously known as 3.5.0).

    It's currently in "stage 3" which is basically the GCC equivalent of 'feature freeze', where only documentation and bugfixes can be added, but not features.

    The actual release is expected to be in early next year.

  14. Re:$500 to Beta Test! by FosterKanig · · Score: 4, Informative

    Special developer discount on the latest Apple hardware
    And that is how much? 5% off on some stuff that I don't need?

    $600 off a dual 2.5 gig machine.
    $500 off a dual 2.0 gig machine.

  15. Re:cheers by Sicnarf · · Score: 2, Informative
    the new imac is one of the most quiet highend computers you can buy at the moment.
    "The speaker grill [at the bottom edge of the monitor/pc] lets a trio of ultra-quiet blowers draw cool air into the system. These custom heat dissipaters can rotate at speeds as low as a few hundred RPM. Advanced thermal software spins them as fast or slow as needed... the iMac G5 measures less than 25dB when idle (at the same distance of 50cm, a whisper in a quiet room measures more than 30dB). A slit in the back of the case allows heat to rise out the top."
    big fans mean more air throughput while having less noise comparable to smaller fans.
  16. Already stays fullscreen when inactive by Cadre · · Score: 3, Informative

    The latest DVD Player.app does this. Go into preferences and click on the Full Screen widget then look for the "Remain in full screen when DVD Player is inactive".

    Now only if they would add this feature to iChat for video conferencing. :-)

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  17. Re:Marketing by EvilNTUser · · Score: 4, Informative

    More precisely:

    95 = Windows 4.0
    98 = Windows 4.1
    ME = Windows 4.9

    NT = Windows NT 3.1 - 4.0
    2k = Windows NT 5.0
    XP = Windows NT 5.1
    2003 = Windows NT 5.2

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  18. Re:Core Data = good idea, weak storage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Oh, you mean EOF?

    We ex-NeXTies have been bitching for years about the disappearance of Enterprise Objects Framework (EOF).

    I have not had an opportunity to examine CoreData yet to see how many EOF concepts have carried through. Apple has generally done a good job with their Core* frameworks, and there are a hell of a lot of persistence frameworks out there that just target SQL databases.

    For those of you whippersnappers who never saw the original NextStep, OpenStep or WebObjects kits, EOF was an integral portion of the whole development environment in Objective-C. When WebObjects transitioned to Java, EOF was killed in favor of EJB to the disappointment of many.

    We will just have to wait and see.

  19. Re:$500 to Beta Test! by MoneyT · · Score: 5, Informative

    That $500 gets you the following:

    OS X current version full install

    OS X Sever current version full install

    Beta access

    Free copies of OS X for every new release, on disc sent in the mail for a year. This includes a disc copy for the free point releases (i.e. 10.3.X)

    Discounts for exhibit hardware

    Discounts for hardware in general (roughly 15-20%)

    Access to the compatability labs (go to apple to test your software on all their machines)

    Developer tech support

    and various other minor discounts and benefits.

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  20. Re:What kind of discount? by MoneyT · · Score: 2, Informative

    ~15-20% depending on the system. When I bought my powerbook, it retailed for $3,000 and I picked it up for $2,300

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  21. Re:$500 to Beta Test! by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 2, Informative
    so maybe it is the fault of the misleading, biased copy in the Slashdot writeup.



    Ouch... I think $500 is a great deal for an early version of Tiger, don't know why you think what I wrote says otherwise.

    OS X server sells for $500 retail, since select membership gives you a copy of server, it ought to cost at least $500. Granted, this copy is for "testing and development only." But, it's still a good deal -- especially if you really are a developer.

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  22. Re:How Much? by FosterKanig · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://developer.apple.com/membership/hardware.htm l

    You don't have to be a member to see the store, only to buy stuff.

  23. The hard work was done at NeXT by Kris+Magnusson · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was first on campus to own a NeXTstation 68040. The NeXTstep operating environment (Mach + BSD layer + AppKit + Display PostScript + included apps) wasn't a lot different then from today's MacOS X, modulo the nifty GUI extras like Expose, etc.

    My point is that NeXT technology provided the boost that gave Apple such a headstart over Microsoft. The past few years have been mainly useability and performance improvements as they have iterated through releases. So thank NeXT for doing all the heavy lifting.

    (posted from my 1 GHz PowerBook)

    ......... kris

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  24. Re:DRM'ed? by ps_inkling · · Score: 3, Informative
    For Mac OS X, you are correct that there is no serial number, just the survey questions. However, for Mac OS X Server, you are required to enter a serial number. There are two versions of OS X Server, the serial number activates / deactivates the 10 simultaneous file sharing client restrictions.

    Without the serial number, OS X Server doesn't install. Now, if you buy the $500 ADC membership, you get a (limited) OS X Server serial number, and access to OS X Server software for testing purposes.

    If you want the server version of OS X, should you get OS X Server (10 client) for $499.95, OS X Server (unlimited) for $999.95, or ADC Select membership for $500 and get OS X Server (10 client) (for testing purposes) and the latest OS X releases for one year? Not a hard decision.

  25. Re:DANGER Will Robinson!!! by WiseWeasel · · Score: 2, Informative

    You would still have to download and install the widget manually. If you use a widget from an untrusted source, just like any other application or executable, you can get yourself into trouble. What it won't do is allow for remote installation and execution of unauthorized code, such as ActiveX does.

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  26. Re:Mouse gestures for Dashboard? by lavaface · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you can't wait for Tiger, try Cocoa Gestures.Works (like a charm) in every cocoa app. I highly recommend it.

  27. Re:cheers by pyite · · Score: 3, Informative

    Powerbooks (at least my TiBook) already have boiling liquid in them. How do you think heat pipes work?

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  28. The difference by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dashboard is not a browser, nor is it going to be built into the browser. If you browse to one of these Widgets the browser would not know what to do.

    Instead, it is an application that makes use of a very widley used and understodd programming language to let you create these little Widgets. So it really is nothing like ActiveX at all, in that it is contained.

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  29. Wasn't 98SE extra? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    I seem to remember having 98 but having to pay extra for 98se (which I never did, and sometime later bought my Powerbook).

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  30. Re:The first rule of developer releases... by numark · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nope. I have an ADC student subscription, which has the same disclaimer. I purchased just a Power Mac G5 without a monitor and got the discount as promised. Basically, it just means that you CAN purchase a monitor at the same time, not that you MUST. If they didn't say "CPU with one monitor", it would be interpreted as JUST the system, so they make it clearer in the disclaimer.

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  31. Multi-processing by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's true that Apple currently only ships dual processor machines.

    Mac OS X, however, is heavily multi-threaded. Before Mac OS X was commercially released there were development Macs in Apple's labs running many parallel PowerPC 604 processors (I believe it was 32); the OS coped just fine and gave fantastic performance. They never shipped, however, primarily because they would have been very expensive.

    Some time next year Apple will start putting in dual-core G5 chips into their top-end machines, giving you 4 CPUs. The word on the street is that there will be options for even more processors. Mac OS X is already designed to cope with this.

    You can expect that versions of Xserve will also appear with many processors.

    As for "high-end virtualisation, monitoring and enterprise volume management", I'm not really a server kind of guy. However does't Xserve RAID along with Xsan address those things?

  32. G5 64bit hype and lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Unlike some other CPU architectures, there is no performance penalty for running 32-bit applications on the G5.

    Can someone explain me why one may be so sure that there is no performance penalty when all memory pointers in your application require twice the memory space (64bit instead of 32bit), and thus your application requires more memory, and thus your processor cache becomes relatively smaller for exactly the same application; in a time where processor speed is largely dominated by processors waiting for data ?

    This is such a lie ! 64bit is in fact old technology, SGI has been doing it 10 years back when I was in college . And we always compiled our applications in 32bit mode, because they executed faster in 32bit than in 64bit mode, simply because memory access was the bottleneck. And that was back then when the gap between processing speed and memory (access) speed was even smaller.

    IMHO, it is really only usefull if you want more than 4GB of (virtual) memory, or use very small amounts of memory (bare bones number crunching). Otherwise it simply slows down your application. In any case, you cannot guarantee it will work faster !

  33. Re:Yeah yeah by pknoll · · Score: 2, Informative
    Right clicking on OS X is kind of pointless (depending on the app, but the OS doesnt require it by any means) and it seems like it was added just to shut windows (l)users up.

    "Right-clicking' wasn't added to OS X, it has always been there. A two-button mouse on a Mac will map its right button to Ctrl-Click out of the box, and Ctrl-Click functionality has been in Mac OS for some time now.

    In most cases, it opens a context-sensitive menu, just like it does in Windows. The only difference is that with Macintoshes, the default hardware layout doesn't include a dedicated key for this action, you use a key combination.

  34. Re:Yeah yeah by mdarksbane · · Score: 2, Informative

    Stop bitching and google.

    http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/

    Lets you set the trackpad to one button and the button to another. Also supports scrolling areas and hot corners on the pad. I haven't had any problems with it.

  35. Re:cheers by pyite · · Score: 2, Informative

    This picture shows them rather well. If you look in the center area, there's a component with a "hot" logo. It has several heat pipes that run through it.

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