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Bootlegged Music in Russia

Guppy06 writes "MosNews.com has an interesting article on the thoughts and opinions of everyday Muscovites on the rampant music (et al) piracy in their country. It seems that some of them don't have much trouble justifying it to themselves, with quotes like 'Yes, I know that some of the sellers are here with burned CDs. But they have to earn a living too, I can understand them.' The article also mentions 'In a country where the average monthly salary is about $240, buying the latest album for $15 is a grotesque luxury, let alone spending $600 on Adobe Photoshop or a similar computer program.' Apparently, catchy slogans like 'Listen up, you pirate, I choose copyright!' just aren't working."

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  1. When I went to Russia... by mOoZik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...EVERY single CD I found in shops were bootlegs. I couldn't believe that people were actually buying them. Some of them were so bad that you could see the inkjet printer lines on the cover/back. Needless to say, I didn't buy any of it, but in some places, people have no trouble with this kind of behaviour.

    1. Re:When I went to Russia... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Whats funny is you don't have to go all that far to see this sort of thing. Last time I was in BC (in Vancouver) I saw pirated cd's, pirated dc games (in this case they were burned copies with nicely printed covers) and pirated VCD's - these were silver and had nice covers etc - but they sold for like 2$ usd.

    2. Re:When I went to Russia... by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...EVERY single CD I found in shops were bootlegs. I couldn't believe that people were actually buying them. Some of them were so bad that you could see the inkjet printer lines on the cover/back. Needless to say, I didn't buy any of it, but in some places, people have no trouble with this kind of behaviour.

      It's easy to take the moral high road when you earn more in two-three weeks than the average Russian person earns in a year, isn't it?

  2. Thanks Russia for cheap music downloads! by lothar97 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I guess since things are so cheap in Russia, they get music downloads at $.01 per meg downloaded at allofmp3.com. I wonder if they can afford that. Hey, wait, I can get downloads from there for the same price as the Russians as well!

    My research indicates that it's legit, and has been online for awhile. According to the copyright laws of the US, you can "import" things from outside the US, even if they violate US law if purchased here. As long as it's legit where you get it, and you import it for your personal use, you're OK. Kind of the same how you can buy bootlegs outside the US and bring them home. Heck, it even gets good reviews

    Plus, they have not ripped me off since May, and so far no one has shown how this is illegal.

    While I know it's not Soviet Russia, it's damn cheap. You can download an album for $1.50- and it's legit.

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  3. Same in America, comrade. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Accidentally posted anon (and want to be able to see replies):

    It's hard to justify the cost of a CD (or DVD, etc) to anyone in any country, if they've done the math and figured out where the $16 to $20 from each CD is going. Break it down and you'll find that about 75% of the points are going to the label in one way or another. Worse, as much goes to pay for advertising and promotion of the CD as goes to all other places (artist, representation, printing and pressing, shipping) *COMBINED*.

    I found the best way to deal with this is just to avoid paying. I don't have cable anymore. I ditched it because the terrible programming wasn't worth $110/mo. I also don't buy DVDs or CDs and I don't go to the theater. Few movies are worth $10 per person these days. What, am I going to blow $20 so myself and a date can go watch Eurotrip? Get real.

    I've taken the money I would have spent on the MPAA/RIAA/BSA goons and redirected it toward buying USED books. Instead of $30 to buy the latest ridiculous Spielberg rehash (ooh, this time he added three lighting effects in this one scene that weren't there before!) - I can use that $30 to buy half a dozen good reads. I've been working my way through the Top 100 Science Fiction Books of All Time (excluding the ones I'd previously read). Much better value. And when I'm through, I can hand them off to someone else without worrying about the MPAA/RIAA/BSA sending the FBI to break down my door and put me in prison for four years without due process.

  4. Fair Assessment of Russia by reporter · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In order to do a fair assessment of Russia, we must compare Russia against another state with a comparable standard of living. Let's bite the bullet and directly compare China and Russa.

    The Chinese deliberately steal Western software, videos, and music, make millions of copies of such intellectual property, and then proceed to export the illicit goods into the American market. The pirated copies of, say, Windows XP compete directly against the real McCoy in the American market. The FBI have arrested numerous Chinese for pirating software, music, and videos.

    The piracy rate in Russia is 87%. The rate in China (which includes Taiwan province and Hong Kong) is 92%. The rate in Russia is lower than the rate in China; moreover, the Russians do not export the pirated software into the USA to compete against the original manufacturers of the software.

    Clearly, piracy in Russia is a problem but is nowhere near as bad as piracy in China.

  5. Same thing in rural parts of China by psoriac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just returned to the US from a vacation in China, and in many of the rural areas (near Yunan, Dali, I was in the southern area) 400 RMB a month is enough to eat, rent an apartment, buy clothes, and still afford a few vcds and dvds a month. That's roughly $50 USD. Do you seriously think those people are going to see a $9.99 USD CD and think "oh what a bargain!"? No, they'll grab the 7 RMB copy next to it instead.

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  6. Everyone tries to make a living ... by slavik1337 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was born in Odessa, Ukraine ... which damn close to russia :P (I lived there for 11 years) and just about EVERYONE tries to make a living ... you know those plastics bags that every store gives u in US? in Ukraine you came with your own bags! or you bought plastic bags :-\ (you'd wash them, too) college students re-sell Turkish made ripoffs on markets because after going to a uni, there isn't much hope for them to earn an honest/legal living ...

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  7. Re:Maybe they need a new slogan by beholder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, this goes both ways.

    I believe America has been blatanly violating Russian's copyright for a very large product category for many many years.

    What's the product you ask? Machine guns. Specifically, Kalashnikov design that had a world copyright (AK-47). US even resold unlicensed AK-47s to other countries.

    I think there was even an article on slashdot about it.

    Tit for tat? One Madonna for two pointy AK-47?

  8. Funny thing in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since I am working and living in China I am used to the huge amount of DVD piracy here.

    We had some korean customers coming to the China office and over dinner we offered to take them to a good quality and very cheap pirate DVD store.

    The two koreans looked at eachother and then one replied:
    "Why buy DVDs when we can download for free ?"

    I guess the piracy industry is getting killed by Kazaa and eMule these days.

  9. Re:Geneva Conventions by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, the Geneva convention requirements for a uniform could be satisfyed by having requirements for wear with some patches or something. There are also exemptions for counting militia type fighters who 'don't have the chance' to organize and get uniforms. A Baseball cap could count.

    The Taliban don't count because:
    1) They're not a signer
    2) They're a previously organized group, and had plenty of time to get some sort of uniforms
    2a) The US revolutionary army managed to get uniforms, were the Taliban poorer than we were in 1776?
    3) They were mostly foreign to Afghanistan
    4) Deliberate usage of civilians and protected sites in an attempt to protect their forces

    On the other hand, we mostly treated them as POW's. The only real problem is the lack of allowed communication(I think they should of had it) and the duration of holding them. The conventions assumed that both governments would still exist at the end of the conflict, and that you'd have strong national ties.

    They're a poor fit for the current situation. Something like a third of the prisoners released from Gitmo have been found to have involved themselves with terrorism/freedom fighting again. For them the conflict isn't over. This in and of itself is enough to not release them, even without a trial. You don't have to release POW's until the end of the conflict, unless other factors intervene that renders the POW uncapable of further fighting anyways.

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