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IBM Tells SCO Court It Can't Find AIX-on-Power Code

Ghostx13 writes "A story over at Linuxworld states that IBM has been less than forthcoming with its bits and pieces of source code SCO is demanding. SCO is alleging in its 3rd Amended Complaint that 'IBM put SCO-owned SVR4 code in System 3-based AIX for its proprietary Power chip architecture.' The problem? IBM 'can't find' that source code. Does IBM have something to hide?"

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  1. Tried to RTFA... by acvh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but that horrid layout makes it tough to tell where the ads end and the article starts.

    1. Re:Tried to RTFA... by killjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IBM has produced every version of AIX and Dynix. SCO wants stuff that's between versions (i.e every fucking iteration of every file). Does that sound reasonable to you? Oh and before you answer what does this have to with linux infringing on SYSV code? They have the code for linux, they have the code for SYSV tell us where the infringement is already for gods sake.

      It is a severe indictiment of the sorry state of the American legal system when a company can demand payment for linux deployments, sue a company for a billion dollars and two years into the process not have to show exactly what was stolen and from where. The judges in this case can't even make decisions on minor matters of law even after reading hundreds of pages of motions and holding a hearing. They "take it under advicement". WTF people? Just how much argument do you need before you in order to make a simple ruling on the LAW of the case (this is not an argument on the FACTS of the case).

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  2. Maureen O'Gara??! by toxic666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you can safely laugh at this before RTFA.

    This is one written by Maureen O'Gara, who has about as much credibility as Laura DiDio.

    Straight to the FUD Shill round file.

    1. Re:Maureen O'Gara??! by Daniel+Boisvert · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I reached the same conclusion by the end of the article. I don't have any previous knowledge about the writer, but that whole article reeks of incredibility.

      In her final paragraph: "See, IBM - having produced one single PowerPoint presentation - contends that there are no other e-mails, memos, business plans or presentations about Linux anywhere in the joint.."

      Talk about rubbish "reporting". As another poster so kindly pointed out, they don't have to produce -everything- about linux, only the stuff relevant to SCO that SCO's requested. That she'd even make such a loaded statement, or worse, be sufficiently gullible as to believe that IBM's attorneys would make such an obvious misstatement, instantly destroys any credibility she ever hoped of having.

      I've added her to my "don't give a second glance" list, along with DiDio, Enderle, and Piquepaille.

    2. Re:Maureen O'Gara??! by puetzc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know about her credibility, but her writing style is incomprehensible. Entire paragraphs consist of one long, run on sentence. IANAEM (I am not an English Major), in fact, I am an Engineer. My career still depends on communicating the results of my work clearly and concisely to those who have paid me to do it. Maureen O'Gara is apparently being paid to communicate. Between the poor prose and the lousy web site she is failing on both content and presentation.

    3. Re:Maureen O'Gara??! by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't understand. How on earth do these people get jobs as reporters with so little integrity, not to mention such poor writing and cognition skills? Who is going to read this article and not see right through the bias? I clicked and started reading, had no idea who the writer was, and by the end of the first paragraph it was obvious they were either writing a troll article to get page impressions or that they must be on SCO's payroll. How little subtlety can you possibly have?


      I guess this is what you get from a magazine that as I've since discovered from their Contact page is aimed at "IT managers". They claim "business leaders" are part of their audience too, but if a business leader is dumb enough to read this and not see it as a paid advertisement, they won't be leading their business for long.

  3. Linuxworld? yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linuxworld should be named "LinuxSuxWorld." It is devoted entirely to advertisers, with occasional snarky anti-Linux "articles" thrown in for show. They shouldn't even bother with the articles, and just shill 100% for advertisers like CNet/ZDNet.

  4. And this involves Linux, how, exactly? by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    SCO thinks IBM put its code into AIX and exceeded the bounds of their contract. Wonderful; a whole year of FUD and wild claims about Linux and we've come full circle and are back to the original reason for the case - breach of contract. Unless IBM then took that same code out of AIX and put it into Linux, the OSS community is free and clear on this point no matter what the outcome in court. The only problem I have with this outcome is that if it's shown that IBM *did* exceed the terms of the contract and put some code into AIX that it shouldn't have done, then SCO is going to get damages. You can bet your ass SCO won't be paying any damages for the defamation of Linux and the GPL in the mean time.

    Then again, it could just be another fluff piece to try and boost the stock price up from yet another 52-week low. On the subject of which, the price of SCOX is now at almost exactly the same level it was right before Linux got dragged kicking and screaming into the court case and things went crazy...

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  5. Re:Nothing to hide by dodgy_knickers · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Having something to hide isn't the only reason why IBM might say they can't find the source.

    For every additional motion SCO has to file to make IBM play ball, that's more money from their pocket.

    Every time SCO doesn't immediately get what they ask for, SCO is forced to wait it out a bit longer.

    Admittedly, I have no insight into IBM's strategy against SCO. But were I to be faced against the litigious whores at SCOX, I wouldn't want them to have an easy time of it.

    -kev

  6. Just a red herring anyway by maximino · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Even if IBM ripped off some SVR4 code from SCO and put it into some of its products, that does not implicate Linux. At all. All of the posturing from SCO is simply an attempt to obfuscate the following facts:

    (1) SCO has all the SV code.

    (2) SCO has access to all the code in Linux.

    If there is no overlap between these two, then there is no copyright infringement, despite the crack-addled theories proposed. They may have a case against IBM for contract breach from one of their previous dealings, but I really doubt it.

  7. So IBM by mcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Has been entirely and quickly forthcoming with millions and millions of lines of code that SCO has basically been demanding as part of a fishing expedition.

    One single piece of code out of these mountains IBM claims has gone missing.

    Possible explanations from this:

    1. IBM is telling the truth.
    2. This is the one single piece of infringing code in all of Dynix or whatever which is infringing, and so they are hiding it.

    Reasons for believing number one to be true: Well, it's extremely plausible. Given how much that IBM has produced the idea one single document among all of this has been legitimately lost within IBM is fairly believable.

    Reasons for believing number two to be true: Well, nothing. But it's possible.

    We certainly

    SCO's strategy, for lack of a case until this point, has been to demand increasingly larger mountains of discovery until they hit something that is unreasonable. Once something proves to be unreasonable, they go to the press yelling "What does IBM have to hide???". SCO's media shills, working in a vacuum as they do, have been able to do this as often as they like despite the fact that generally, the reason IBM has not provided these things is that the judge ruled they did not have to. Meanwhile, it is probably important to keep in mind SCO has consistently refused to comply with even the most basic of discovery demands, even sometimes when ordered by the judge.

    Now they appear, within this strategy, to have struck gold. They have located something which IBM is not producing, but yet the judge actually agrees IBM should produce-- and which IBM claims it is unable to produce. However, still, they have produced no evidence that this indicates wrongdoing of, well, any sort. There's no way you could make this appear so much as suspicious except by pointing to, well, the fact IBM's been so entirely forthcoming up until now. Once you do that it is possible to make it appear suspicious, yet, but not possible to actually make anything of it in court; from a court's perspective this detail is quite small. So it appears this is no victory for anyone except SCO's disconnected-from-reality PR shills.

  8. Re:Mod this up by dipipanone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > and any moronic idiot that is given mod points
    > that mods an anonymous post should never again
    > be given anything.

    Surely that depends on whether you think mod points are allocated to assist overcompetitive nerds to rack up their Karma scores, or whether you think the point is to increase the visibility of interesting and insightful articles.

    I note that *you* posted as an Anonymous Coward. Perhaps there's some significance in that, but I'm fucked if I can figure out what it might be. Fear of the mods yourself, perhaps?

  9. My favorite part was: by mcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At the hearing, one of SCO's lawyers, another young thing from Boies, Schiller & Flexner whose footwork was smooth enough to impress even Groklaw's IBM-dazzled observers,

    Wow, wait, what? Is this meant to be taken as objective?

    mentioned the little matter of SCO's days-old Third Amended Complaint, which, alas, is under seal reportedly because it's based on some e-mail that turned up during discovery that IBM now claims is privileged though there's supposedly no hint of attorney-client communication about it.

    Notice that SCO's side in this case seems to have absolutely zero respect for the judge and his rulings? The judge rules that IBM doesn't have to produce something; this becomes "IBM won't produce this thing". The judge rules that something SCO did in the courtroom violates confidentiality and orders it sealed; this becomes some kind of who-me where-on-earth-did-this-come-from thing which is somehow implied to be IBM's fault. Don't you think, maybe, the judge so consistently failing to take SCO's side isn't just some kind of head-slapping, inexplicable coincidence, but perhaps indicates some sort of problem on the part of SCO's lawyers?