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NY Times Endorses Open-Source Election Software

jdauerbach writes "On its editorial page today, the New York Times called for election system reform, saying among other things that 'Congress should impose much more rigorous safeguards, including a requirement that all computer code be made public. It should require that all electronic machines produce a voter-verified paper trail.'"

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  1. Are we sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The New York Times wasn't hacked?

    1. Re:Are we sure... by johnnyb · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm a conservative, and I'm agreeing with the New York Times. The end of the world MUST be near.

    2. Re:Are we sure... by TyrranzzX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Come to the realization that "conservative", "radical", "democrat", "republican", "liberal", "anarchist", "nazi commie assclown extremist", ect, are all terms those in power have created to label us. Why? Well, you label someone, then give people mud, and slings. What's next? They fight, and organize behind opposing sides, instead of getting together and talking.

      It is then far easier to enslave people without them noticing when you've got people who won't even sit down to have a logical debate or admit they're wrong when prooven so. It's even more entertaining and saddening when those making the point feel the need to insult the other side; stupidity is limitless, and thus, the insulting of stupidity can be made on just about any basis, no matter what level of intellectual developement is required to make that accusation. If you've got a population of people who make accusations of this kind, heh, you've got sheeple.

  2. Some thoughts by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I don't disagree in the least with the spirit of the concept of making the system(s) open source, it should be noted that, contrary to popular belief, Diebold asserts that its systems have been scrutinized, including at a source code level, by independent authorities, and that there is also a paper record:

    http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/375954

    I don't know if the paper record is "voter verified", or what mechanism it uses, but there is apparently a paper record nonetheless.

    Notwithstanding Diebold's CEO's extremely inappropriate campaign comments, I really do think they're trying to put out the best electronic voting systems they can, but are suffering from the same problems that any large, proprietary system suffers from when it languishes in the comfort of large government-guaranteed long-term contracts: namely, inattention to the details that need to be addressed, that sometimes get lost in not seeing the forest for the trees.

    Perhaps opening the source to these critical systems and having it overseen by an independent election agency would be an idea worth considering...

    1. Re:Some thoughts by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact of the matter is that, in large part because of the CEO's comments, Diebold systems will always be suspect, and any election that a Republican wins using Diebold systems will be looked upon with suspicion.

      Since the controversial company seems to favor the side that controls the entire government at this point, they have no real motivation to change things. Meaningful election reform won't happen until we have a split government. That is, when one party controls the presidency and the other party controls at least one of the houses of Congress.

      Hopefully, in 2004 we can either bring in a Democratic president, and/or give the Democrats control of the Senate. The overall impact of getting away from the one-party-controls-all system we have at the moment will be a move back toward the center, where all the good compromising gets done. As it is now, we have one party pushing the country clear over to their side, with no meaningful compromise going on. No matter what party is in control, that sort of thing is bad for the country.

    2. Re:Some thoughts by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Informative

      IIRC, The paper record is per machine, not per vote. After the polls close, each machine prints out a record of the votes recorded on it. So therefore there is a way to double check that the tabulations from all the machines is correct, but not that the tabulation on any given machine is correct. Now granted this does make it harder to modify the final tally, but it is far from impossible.
      It also doesn't address machines crashing, poor user interfaces etc.....

    3. Re:Some thoughts by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only safe paper trail is one that can be checked by the individual voters. If you are going to tamper with the electronic record so that every third vote for foo goes to bar then it is a trivial matter to make sure that the paper that you spit out at the end of the day matches the fiddled vote tallies.

      That's why the only sane way to do electronic voting is to use whatever fancy dan front end you want, I couldn't care less, but at the end of the voting session you spit out a human verifiable paper receipt that is the official vote. This vote gets put in the ballot box and if anyone questions the integrity of the vote then you open the ballot boxes and count the votes by hand. In most cases the electronic count of the vote will be the one used. However, in cases where fraud is suspected there is a verifiable paper trail that can be followed.

      This gives the voter a chance to read his ballot and make sure that his or her vote was cast correctly, and it makes it much more difficult to "hack" the vote.

  3. Yes... but by ShatteredDream · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How do we know that the code that is actually on the machines we're voting with is the same as the public code? Even if the public code is compiled and built, then tested to see if it's the same binary instructions as what's going on the mass-produced machines, how do we know that each, individual machine that actually ends up at the voting booth won't be rigged? Who's to say that some dishonest, partisan fuck won't change it at the last minute?

    I think Badnarik's solution is the best. Get rid of the official ballots and let everyone bring their own ballot with them so that they can vote for whoever they want, not whoever the ruling government wants to let them choose from. And naysays... believe it or not, but that system is probably less prone to corruption than what we have today.

  4. Unfortunately, too late anyway by targo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The coming election is probably one of the most important ones in the last few decades, and nothing can really be done to save it from abuses any more.
    And after the vote is over, the topic will probably disappear from public consciousness anyway.

  5. What?? by kahei · · Score: 4, Funny


    You're kidding! It endorsed an opposition candidate?? Are they even allowed to do that???

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  6. Nevada is ranked the best voter system by doormat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Despite the fact we have groups tearing up voter registration forms, the actual voting system is the best in the nation. It records your vote in three ways. First, electronically, second it prints who you vote for in plain english on a piece of paper viewed by the voter, and once the voter reviews this paper and accepts the choices, the votes are encoded into a 2D barcode printed after the list of votes, this barcode contains the list of votes for which offices.

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    1. Re:Nevada is ranked the best voter system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Is that a surprise? That state that houses the Nevada Gaming Commission would have the most stringent requirements for electronic voting machines?

  7. Computer Code Be Made Public... by datastalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is not the same thing as Open Source. If you doubt me, Microsoft has made their code "public" with shared source. This doesn't mean that Joe Hacker will get a chance to look at it, just that someone outside the voting machine company will.

    Granted, I'd prefer if it were truly open source, but I suspect that we're a bit of a ways away from GPL voting code.

  8. Re:One more thing... by dnoyeb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There should be no lock in /wrt vote processing.

    The only thing I could imagine being ok to sell with respect to voting, is facilitation. But the act of vote counting MUST be transparent. As a result the US government MUST OWN the code that counts the votes. This can never be proprietary.

    They can buy communication and data storage and data security products from diebold to protect the voting data and its transmission. But the vote processing portion must always be open for complete public scrutiny.

  9. sometimes low tech is best by myc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really don't understand the infatuation with high tech voting. For something as critical as voting in a democratic election, I think the engineer's mantra KISS (keep it simple, stupid!) applies. Use paper ballots with the name and picture of the candidate in large print. Above their name, have a big checkbox, and indicate "Check here to vote for candidate". Count the number of ballots issued at each polling station, count the number of ballots that go into the box, and and count the number of ballots that come out of the box. Sure, it will take longer, but how hard is it to screw that up? It could be argued that using a simple enough ballot, anyone who fucks their ballot up is not "disenfranchised", they just fucked up, and it would rightfully be their own fault.

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    1. Re:sometimes low tech is best by Get+Behind+the+Mule · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was going to post this very argument, and here you've said exactly what I wanted to say.

      So instead of just saying me too, let me add my perspective as an American who now lives in Germany. The way they run elections here was a real revelation to me. After a lifetime in a culture that is fascinated with high-tech solutions, and where high-tech is uncritically assumed to be better, I was amazed to see that a simple solution was clearly superior.

      Voters are handed a piece of paper with the names of the candidates. They take it behind a privacy barrier and mark an 'X' in circles next to their candidates' names. Then they fold up the paper, seal it in an envelope, and drop the envelope through a slit in a box. Then at 6 PM, the envelopes are dumped out of the box and the votes are counted and re-counted by hand. Anyone who wants to can witness the counting.

      With this system, a fiasco such as Florida in 2000 (or in a number of states in 2004, as I predict) simply cannot happen. The are far fewer possibilities for error, and the credibility of the result is much greater.

      The problem in the US is cultural. The very idea that a low-tech solution could be better simply doesn't cross our minds. For some things in life, we really are better off with more computers and machinery, but for elections, we should just dump them all on the trash heap, all they do is compound mistakes.

    2. Re:sometimes low tech is best by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A high-tech voting system that is properly designed and deployed should be easier to use and more secure then a paper solution.

      I put bold tags around your enormous qualifying assumption, which you seem to gloss over as if it's a given. It is extremely difficult to create a properly designed high-tech voting system. The network of bluescreening touchscreens that lie in wait for many of us don't even come close.

      Paper ballots have problems with hanging chads (if they're the punch-out type) or improper erasures (did he intend to erase "A" and vote vor "B", or did he vote for both of them?) or faint markings that may or may not have been intended to be votes.

      Feh. These are sources of random error, which although undesirable, affects the outcome nowhere near as much as systematic error. In general systematic error has partisan effects, whereas random error in general does not- it mostly cancels itself out. 10000 votes affected by random error affect the election about as much as 200 votes affected by systematic error.

      See this post and the reply to it for details. I don't want to keep repasting it in every thread. Maybe I'll start a journal.

      And you're going to have errors when you start to count millions and millions of paper ballots by hand.

      Like I said before, unless you hire outright partisans to count votes, these will be sources of random error.

      Any candidate who lost by a narrow enough margin is going to demand a recount,

      Good. I hope they do.

      A recount for the Presidential election would have to be completed before January 2nd. Limited time means people rushing, which means more errors...

      Not if your Daddy appointed a few Supreme Court justices. They can stop the recount and choose you as president before the outcome is even known.

  10. paper trails considered harmful by coshx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are two kinds of paper trails. One is a readable ballot that must be submitted into the ballot box, and the other is a sort of receipt to let you know whom you voted for.

    The first kind is acceptable, and I believe the open voting consortium has this idea correct: the machine should print out a barcode, that can then be verified by another scanning machine. This barcode must then be submitted into the ballot box.

    The second kind is flawed for two reasons. First, there is no way to verify that what the computer printed is actually what's recorded on the bar code, or what has been submitted electronically. Second, and more importantly, it provides an easy way for proving whom you voted for. I could tell all of my employees to bring in their receipts, and those who vote for candidate A will receive benefits. Yes, this is illegal, but we shouldn't make it any easier.


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  11. These are not public tests! by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > systems have been scrutinized, including at a source code level, by independent authorities

    These machines are tested in secret and because of IP law and NDAs you will never know the results. The Australians have open source voting machines. Its not that hard to pull off, that is if you CARE about elections. Seems many in power see fraud as par for the course in the US.

    So, please excuse me for not trusting my one lousy vote to the CEO of some company which is more secretive with its machines than a 16 year old girl with her diary. Pardon me for taking his partisan comments ("I will deliver Ohio for Bush") as just that: an inapropriate partisan comment.

    No conspiracy theories needed. If you keep things secret, someone will find a way to abuse them.

    >and that there is also a paper record

    Err, people want paper tickets they can verify and put in a box for recounts. Attaching a printer to a voting machine at the end of the day is hardly a "paper trail."

  12. International observers are saying the same by MSBob · · Score: 4, Informative

    International election observers noted several issues with the US election process this year. One of the criticisms in their report is electronic voting without any transparency or a paper trail. One of their recommendations was also to use open source code software for the voting machines. Here's the link

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  13. One-Time IDs by Rie+Beam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the major problems with keeping track of voting records is that you don't want to give away too much information to the public on who voted what, while at the same time, keeping everything hidden will draw cries of foul play, tampering, et cetera. So here's an idea - one-time voter cards.

    Lemme explain. They would be plastic cards, about the size of a credit card, with a random ID and password on them in print - long enough not to be memorized by passer-bys, but short enough to make it humanly possible to type later on. Also on the card is a magnetic strip - think something like a credit card. Now, when you show up at a voting center, they hand you one out of a pile - it's in a sealed envelope, so they haven't a clue as to which one they hand you. You go in the voting booth, slide your card through the machine, and vote. A paper trail is produced with your barcode and adjacent votes - but not anything that could be used to ID you later on - and you slide your card again. It registers your votes on the card, and you leave.

    Now, the votes are tallied, and the results are given. However, the election isn't over yet. An open database is publically produced, with barcode/vote combinations, and the voters then mail their cards to be tallied and compared to the database. If the paper trail doesn't match up with the card count, something has gone wrong, and all votes without cards, cards without votes, are cast out.

    I know this still has some flaws, but I'm curious as to what the Slashdot community thinks. One thing I was worried about is that in checking on your barcode, you may become ID'd in that manner - although compared to other methods, I think the chance of something like that, for example, through an encrypted channel online, is a lot less likely. Comments?

  14. Re: Paper Trails Should be Mandatory by ClarkEvans · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is "Despite the inherent liberal bias" for? This issue has nothing to do with liberal or conservative viewpoints, although I might add that I've yet to see a conservative news source spend any serious time on election issues.

    Also, I'd hardly call the Times "liberal", it's been pro-Bush for most of the Bush's administration and during the Clinton adminstration it attacked the sitting president on a daily basis - on the front page. Perhaps you are referring to Dowd or Krugman? These arn't part of the NY Times Editoral board, they are OP-ED contributors, pushing one position or the other, in the same manner as William Safire (Nixon's Speech Writer) and David Brooks are there to push so-called conservative positions. The NY Times is far less "liberal" than you think -- perhaps if you stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh for a while you might realize that news papers should be free to explore all sorts of positions, popular or not. A "liberal" news source would be the American Prospect.

  15. NIST should get involved... by meese · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NIST did a great job with the AES competition (to develop and standardize a new block cipher to replace the aging DES) - why don't they have a competition to standardize a electronic voting machine platform? There's no reason this shouldn't be done on a national basis.

    I think that if we as a community put enough pressure on NIST, they'll do it. And since NIST is a non-partisan body, there's no good reason for congress to not support a design that is sponsored by NIST.

    Such a process would promote both openness of participation and review of designs. The winning design could then be standardized and vendors could simply implement them to spec.

  16. Re:One more thing... by jxs2151 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ... the US government MUST OWN the code that counts the votes.

    While I certainly understand your concerns I would disagree with your assertion that the government MUST OWN the code. The government has the highest vested interest in controlling the results of voting, even more so than the simple and predictable profit motive of Diebold. I do not trust "the government" to be a good custodian of the source code contolling voting. I trust the people of the United States and noone else. Open Source comes the closest to granting all rights to "the people" and is thus the best method of ensuring a valid vote.

    All of our rights as Americans flow from the ability to control who leads us. The importance of a clean vote that everyone believes in cannot be overstated. This is far too important to be entrusted to Diebold or the government- don't trust either.

  17. Annonominity by ClarkEvans · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The most important aspect of a voting system is that how one voted remains anonymous. If it is possible for an employer, spouse, parent, or anyone else to have someone 'prove' that they voted red or blue, then organized coersion is likely.

    Another important aspect is that the person's vote should not be "sellable". If this mechanism admits the possibility of a card to be sold, then it is a non-starter.

  18. Wish we had that... by tit0.c · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wish we had that here in Venezuela las august.

    The voting machines here for the presidential referendum produced a paper trail.Suddenly when there was a doubt of the transparenncy of the whole process (because the voting machines were black boxes, noone knew what the code on them did) the government refused to count the papers from each machine.

    Instead, they performed an "audit" where a member of the national electoral council on TV announced that a certain number of boxes would be chosen at random...by another computer running who knows what code on it and after the program was done "generating" the number of the boxes to be audited he proceeded to open a Word document with the numbers on it.

    Of course, when the audit was done nothing was found amiss.

    Transparent indeed...

  19. Re:Some thoughts on Diebold security by JimMarch(equalccw) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Diebold's "paper trail" is an end-of-day record on a long thin "cash register strip" showing how many votes each machine took in for each candidate and issue.

    Problem 1: it's glitchier than a Microsoft Windows early beta. I've talked to Alameda and San Diego County pollworkers who tried to collect these at the end of the day, only to find that in some cases nothing printed and in others the printout didn't agree with the on-screen end-of-day tallies! And that was different machines in a single polling location.

    Problem 2: this printout isn't done as the votes happen, but rather as a single end-of-day "run" under polling place supervisor control. If the machine crashes at any time during the day (which happens often enough), that'll cause the tallies between the memory card "electronic ballot box" (PCMCIA) and printout to vary.

    Problem 3: this printout isn't open to public scrutiny. I've seen Public Records Act/FOIA type queries for copies fought by county elections officials across the nation, probably because photocopying a 12ft strip of 3" paper is a bitch :).

    As to code scrutiny by independent labs:

    The Federal Election Commission approves testing labs for reviewing voting machine code and products. They're the only ones allowed to see the source code on this stuff. The two biggest are Wyle Lab's elections operation in Huntsville, AL and "Ciber Inc" (formerly Metamore) also in Huntsville.

    First, all of the voting machines in current use are certified by these labs to standards written by the FEC in 1990. You heard that right. There's also a 2000 standard by the FEC but since all of our electronic voting machines were built prior to 2000, they can be re-certified under the 1990 standards "forever", until the vendors announce significant enough upgrades/revamps to trigger the Y2000 review process. Which NONE have seen fit to do so far.

    It gets worse.

    We have 13,000 leaked Diebold memos floating around that document, among other things, Diebold lying to the testing labs. In one case, huge amounts of customized code used in WinCE was declared to be "Commercial Off The Shelf" ("COTS") and not subject to source code review.

    The exact phrasing of these internal memos and a security analysis of their implications can be found at:

    http://www.equalccw.com/sscomment.html

    ...and:

    http://www.equalccw.com/sscomments2.html

    Ain't puked quite yet?

    Diebold Corp. in Ohio bought Global Election Systems in 2002 (Canadian company) and renamed it Diebold Election Systems. Global's first voting products were written on Unix boxes, where they wrote their own "Accubasic" compiler for some core vote-tally processes. When porting to Windows, they went to great lengths to get Accubasic working on the new platform. OK, query me this: if I'm writing the compiler and I'm publishing source code for scrutiny that's run through that compiler, how in the hell is the source code reviewer supposed to know what's REALLY going on!?

    Ahh, but this presumes "bad intent" on Global's part, which normally isn't something you presume. Except that Global was founded in 1988 by three guys name of Norton Cooper, Charles Hong Lee and Michael K. Graye, all three of whom have prior felony convictions in the US and/or Canada for stock fraud, investment scams and the like. By 2000, Global hired a guy name of Jeffrey Dean as lead programmer on the central vote-tally product (GEMS, "Global Election Management Software", still part of the Diebold product line). Dean was a charming chap - convicted of 23 counts of computer-aided embezzlement from a Seattle law firm in what a court called a "sophisticated computer-aided accounting fraud". He was literally recruited while still in prison by another Global employee also doing time. See also this document for more details on these clowns:

  20. Source code is not enough to garantee democracy.. by dglaude · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Richard Stallman told me:

    Feel free to send me an email if you ever want to say something on this topic that I could use while talking to a Free Software fanatic that believes having the source code is enough to guarantee democracy or to publish on our web site.

    After a talk with Richard Stallman about the use of Free Software for Electronic Election, I emailed him. RMS sent me the following:

    Free software is not enough to ensure that elections are carried out properly.

    The software used in and for government should always be free software; the government should always have the freedom to run it, study its source code, change it to suit government needs, and distribute copies to others either unchanged or modified. That way, software owners will not have power over the government's computers. But that is not enough to ensure that computerized elections are fair and honest.

    It is easy for a programmer to change a program so that it tells the user "You voted for Mr Smith" but actually record a vote for Mr Brown. Unfortunately, free software does not prevent this. There is no known way to prevent this.

    With free voting software, a government election committee can study the source code. If the program has been published, anyone can study the source code. But there is no way to be sure that the program actually running when you cast your vote is the same program that you and the election committee studied. Someone could have installed a fiddled version an hour before the election and replaced it with the authorized version an hour after it ended.

    To assure honest elections, we need physical ballots that can be used for a recount.

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  21. Politics shifting left by cbr2702 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The democrats have completely alienated much of their base, and that is why the republicans have gotten so far ahead.

    Look at the 2000 election. Look at current presidential polls. The country is pretty much evenly split.

    Those of us on the right have been feeling the Republican party jump left for quite some time now.

    The Republicans are traditionally the US's conservative party, in favor of (generally) keeping things as they are. The Democrats are traditionally the US's progressive party, trying to change things. The conservatives hold back the progressives so they don't adopt too many short sighted ideas while the progressives keep society adapting to new problems. So Democratic ideas get slowly adopted by the culture and the Democrats of 40 years ago are Republicans today.

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    1. Re:Politics shifting left by demachina · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "and that is why the republicans have gotten so far ahead."

      The Republicans have their power because talk radio, FoxNews, 9/11 and a general confluence of events have made it fashionable and trendy for Americans to be right wing fanatics again. The Republican's have also become VERY good at milking the politics of fear to build that coalition. Remember the rhetoric, keep the Republicans in office or you and your children will surely die. 9/11 is the best thing that ever happened to the Republican party, they know it and they are milking it to the hilt and will in perpetuity unless Americans wake up to the con.

      "The Republicans are traditionally the US's conservative party, in favor of (generally) keeping things as they are."

      Thats a ridiculous simplification of reality and is ancient history thanks to the likes of Tom Delay, George W. and a pack of really dangerous neocons (Wolfowitz, Perl, Feith, etc).

      The Republicans are no longer even remotely conservative. True conservatives are in fact getting fed up with the new Republican party, they just dont have any place to go. They are also being replaced as the Republican base by evangelicals, rascist Southerners who bailed on the Democrats when LBJ pushed civil rights, rural Americans and Fox News watchers who amazingly just don't get how dangerous, corrupt and dishonest the Bush administration really is (and of course Kerry is so pathetic Bush does almost look good by comparison).

      Real conservatives are aghast at the massive spending and deficits the new Republicans are running. They only fiscal policy they like are tax cuts for the rich but they want those to be paid for by slashing spending, not massive borrowing.

      The so called Medicare "reform" act was a gigantic transfer of money from tax payers to the health care and drug mega corps. Real conservatives hate that.

      Launching wars like the one in Iraq which have nothing to do with defending America, and engaging in nation building there, are also anathema to conservatives.

      Its a reason why a number of conservative newspapers are either endorsing Kerry or endorsing Bush only very reluctantly because they see Kerry as worse. The conservative paper in Orlando is endorsing a Democrat for the first time in 40 years. The last time they did that was LBJ because Goldwater was an off the deep end right wing extremist just like Bush/Cheney.

      But, the fact is on most key areas the Republicans and Democrats are becoming nearly indistinguishable. They are both owned by corporations and lobbyists which means they are the ones that really make most policy decisions and it doesn't really matter that much which party is in power.

      The two parties have a stock set of issues that they use to divide the American people, abortion, gays, tax the rich or tax the poor, and con us in to thinking we have a choice. But, once you get past those inflammatory issues they are really both about taxing ordinary working people in to the ground, spreading pork to their friends and slowly stripping us of all of our civil liberties, which is again all anathema to true conservatives.

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  22. Re:One more thing... by cduffy · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a result the US government MUST OWN the code that counts the votes. This can never be proprietary.

    The US government isn't allowed to own copyrights to anything -- anything they develop directly or that's done as a work-for-hire for them is automatically public domain. (For this reason, there's a lot of code that's written by government contractors and remains under their ownership, even though the reason behind its production was government use).

    Effectively, then, any government-developed voting system code would be public domain -- which would be, IMHO, entirely ideal.

  23. Easiest way I can think of. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's why the only sane way to do electronic voting is to use whatever fancy dan front end you want, I couldn't care less, but at the end of the voting session you spit out a human verifiable paper receipt that is the official vote.

    And the easiest way I can think of doing that is with a nice, old fashined punch card.

    The voter chooses at the computer, the computer records the vote electronically, punches the card, and prints the names of the candidate chosen on it.

    That way, the voter looks at the card, checks whether the person they've selected is printed on it and then drops it in the box.

    Each machine can be verified by matching:
    #1. The electronic count to
    #2. The punch cards to
    #3. A hand count

    It's quick and easy to tally punch cards if that's request and if a hand vote is necessary, it's just as easy (but not as quick).

    That way, any problems can quickly be tracked to the machine(s).
  24. Multiple machines, run by different companies by timothy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's say there are going to be ballots provided by the election officials (I just noticed someone talking about Badnarik*'s idea of every voter bringing his own ballot, never thought of that angle before). I'd rather have a slightly more involved, even if more expensive, elections process that invited two or more companies to supply the machines used *at every polling place.* In the fashion of the time-stamp cards in some workplaces -- like the Hallmark store I worked in during high school -- such a device could tell you with a satisfying "WHOMP!" that Yes, this vote has been registered on one side or the other, and visibly increment the "total votes" column by one. Then let the second machine WHOMP the same ballot, and finally put the ballot into locked box for later recount purposes if the two machines disagree.

    The kicker: pay only expenses up-front, with a bonus going only to the most accurate machine. There will be votes that are lost / spindled / folded / mutilated; sorry. Mistakes and bugs may be inevitable, but that doesn't mean that "just any system" is good enough.

    timothy

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