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Titan's Alien Thunder

An anonymous reader writes "What is not being reported much about the fascinating Huygens descent to the surface of Saturn's largest moon, Titan, is its remarkable microphone. In the silence of space, the probe offers a platform for listening to alien thunder while watching the lightning strike on this alien world--the only moon with an atmosphere thicker than our terrestrial one. The probe detaches from Cassini on Christmas for its atmospheric entry on 14 January 2005. The landing target on Titan borders a bright-dark region thought to be an oil-rich shoreline. Huygens can float for a few hours while still broadcasting if it lands in a lake of oil."

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  1. Alien thunder by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    Titan may offer the first chance for a terrifying symphony of alien thunder.

    Alien thunder?.........hrmmmmm......new, name......for a band? Yeah, that's it.

    On a more serious note, here is the link to the Cassini-Huygens main page complete with a tital flyby schedule, a flyby mission description, photo essay including some amazing images of the rings of Saturn, Titan and more.

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    1. Re:Alien thunder by another_henry · · Score: 5, Informative

      Heavy oils on Earth are generally created by chemical processes acting on dead microorganisms over geological time. The "oil" on Titan is hardly oil at all, it's light short-chain hydrocarbons such as methane (CH4), ethane (C2CH6) and propane (C3CH8) which would be gases on Earth. These are much easier to form "abiotically", i.e. without life. In face the gas giant outer planets Uranus and Neptune have large amounts of methane in their atmospheres. (IANAAstronomer)

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    2. Re:Alien thunder by another_henry · · Score: 5, Informative

      Those molecular formulae should be CH4, C2H6 and C3H8 respectively. Improper backspacing, sorry.

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    3. Re:Alien thunder by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

      hese are much easier to form "abiotically", i.e. without life. In face the gas giant outer planets Uranus and Neptune have large amounts of methane in their atmospheres.

      So, Uranus us full of methane. Who'd have thought.

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    4. Re:Alien thunder by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As I understand it, biological production of oil is one of those long accepted dogmas that may or may not be exclusively true. There is a theory that suggests that oil production may not be biological exclusively. This is supported by a number of meteorites that have fallen to earth containing what appear to be complex hydrocarbon rich complexes. However, all of this said, I seem to remember a recent article in Science or Nature that suggested abiological production of hydrocarbons was possible (as observed in the Canadian shield), but not a significant resource for production of hydrocarbons.

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    5. Re:Alien thunder by nospmiS+remoH · · Score: 5, Funny

      I suddenly had this vision of Huygens accidentally causing a spark and the whole planet errupting in a huge ball of fire [1]:

      Guy at NASA: "Woops, didin't see that one comming!"
      Other Guy at NASA: "Dude, that was aaawwesome!"

      [1] - I realize there are probably a dozen reasons why this is not really a possibility (i.e. not enough oxygen, yada, yada)

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    6. Re:Alien thunder by praedictus · · Score: 5, Informative

      The person who came up with the abiotic theory is largely regarded as a crackpot. Methane can be generated abiotically and there may be reserves related to this, but crude is full of degenerate organically derived molecules - cracked chlorophyll and other such things. Host reservoirs are categorized by the degree of such decomposition - see Vitrinite Reflectance Index. The Athabaska tar sands are Cretaceous, they merely overly the Shield.

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    7. Re:Alien thunder by AxB_teeth · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, Uranus us full of methane. Who'd have thought.

      Wait a minute...

      Hey everyone, I think I've found the source of this "Alien Thunder".

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  2. A Lake of Oil? by Moby+Cock · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is NASA going to let a contract to Hallibuton to develop the resource?

  3. "Liberation" of Titan by john_sheu · · Score: 5, Funny

    "lake of oil"...WMD's... We all know the drill.

    1. Re:"Liberation" of Titan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is not about oil.

      We have to bring values of democracy to this alien world. In addition to this,if you ever played UFO or XCom you should know that aliens are engaged in terror activities and CIA found solid proof of connection between Al Qaeda and aliens and Bin Laden is hiding in mountains of Titan. :)

    2. Re:"Liberation" of Titan by ChristTrekker · · Score: 5, Funny

      And here we are, already shooting a missile at it. ;)

  4. In space no one can hear you scream by codepunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    That being said I wonder if the accelerometers are installed in the right direction?

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  5. For all the NASA jokes... by TrollBridge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that crop up around here from time to time after setbacks, you HAVE to be amazed by what they have accomplished on an ever-shrinking budget.

    Kudos, NASA! Some of us are still impressed!

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    1. Re:For all the NASA jokes... by strictfoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      you HAVE to be amazed by what they have accomplished on an ever-shrinking budget.

      Actually, NASA's bugett has basically been constant, receiving small increases to adjust for inflation.

      1999 - ~$13.6B
      2000 - ~$14B
      2001 - ~$14.5B
      2002 - ~$14.5B
      2003 - ~$15B

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  6. Fuel-breathing jet engines by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hydrocarbon-rich atmospheres bring the possibility of fuel-breathing jet engines. With a tank of oxygen or other oxidizer, a craft could scoop the fuel from the "air" and fly or run a powerplant.

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    1. Re:Fuel-breathing jet engines by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oxygen is an explosive gas...

      Actually, the idea is to combine oxygen with hydrocarbons and use the surplus energy. In our atmosphere (with plenty of oxygen), you bring the hydrocarbons. On titan (apparently with plenty of hydrocarbons), you would bring the oxygen. Same result.

  7. Re:Calling all scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing that's exciting scientists about Titan is that it's atmosphere is extremely similar to what they believe primordial Earth's atmosphere was like. It's hoped that we may learn something about the origins of life on Earth. The thick atmosphere is a good thing because it means very few elements/gases/etc have burned off or escaped, giving us the chance to study what is the closest thing to "early Earth" as we're ever going to find.

  8. Re:Oil? by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 5, Funny
    The clouds of ethanol in outer space don't make me assume that there are deep-space breweries

    I'm still keeping my hopes up.

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  9. Re:Oil? by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    But how come everyone gets excited when methane is detected on a planet like mars for example? Or is it that methane occurs naturally AND is a byproduct of plants/animals?

    Well, yes, it does. The reason why finding methane on Mars would be more exciting than methane on Titan is that on Mars, atmospheric methane is not expected to be stable, as it reacts with hydroxyl ions in the presence of sunlight to produce carbon dioxide and water (it should be noted that if the data concerning methane on Mars is right, the concentration is around 10-15 ppb, so don't expect a greenhouse effect and rain clouds any time soon). The methane on Mars would have disappeared within a few hundred years were it not replenished somehow- and the question then, is "How is methane on Mars replenished?"

    The two possibilities (and both could be correct) are outgassing from geologic processes or production by methane-producing organisms. Either possibility is actually pretty exciting, as Mars as we know it now is geologically dead- it has the largest volcano in the Solar System, but no evidence of active or recent vulcanism, but of course the possibility that colonies of methanogens similar to terrestrial Archaea are producing methane on Mars would be a much more momentous discovery.

    The methane and ethane on Titan, OTOH, has been there for billions of years and is almost certainly from nonliving processes, just as the methane in the atmospheres of the gas giant planets has nothing to do with organisms. It is interesting, still, though, because methane and ethane, gases on earth, may exist as liquid on Titan. A moon larger than Pluto and Mercury with seas of simple organic compounds (and possibly a "snow" of various hydrocarbon and nitrile compounds). A atmosphere denser than earth's composed of 94% nitrogen. Possibly large quanitities of water ice. All definitely reasons to go explore.

    Unfortunately, it is extremely unlikely that life has developed on Titan, simply because it is far too cold (about 94K). The basically opaque atmosphere and distance from the sun make really interesting chemistry very difficult, in particular, keeping any water locked up as ice rather than making it available as liquid or vapor. There may be some interesting stuff going on in the upper reaches of the atmosphere, though, as UV breaks down methane and nitrogen gas to produce a variety of polyacetylene and polynitrile compounds which fall as a waxy precipitate (the aforementioned "snow").

    The geology of Titan is essentially still a question mark, owing again to the orange-brown veil. If anything like the deep-sea vents of earth exist on Titan, they could provide the rest of the requirements for life- they'd inject heat into the ecosystem, possibly freeing up water vapor and oxygen from the ice, and could provide elements like phosphorus and sulfur (giving the sought-after CHONPS). Also, Saturn produces tremendous tidal forces on Titan. While on the one hand, the development of life on earth was helped substantially by the presence of intertidal areas (which still feature incredible diversity), the tides on Titan may so strong as to quickly erode continental features. There are a lot of mysteries that will be solved after Cassini-Huygens, and no doubt a stack of new ones will be found.

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