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CmdrTaco
on from the well-they're-just-so-much-cuter dept.
Kamalot writes "JoyStiq is reporting that the new Nintendo DS pre-orders are outselling the new slimmed-down version of the PS2 in Japan as well as the Xbox. Outselling the Xbox is easy though. They sold less than 200 in Japan last month."
Just to clarify
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AKAImBatman
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I know it's often difficult to RTFA, so I'll clarify a point here: The DS did not outsell the Playstation 2. It outsold a new Playstation 2 redesign. Original Playstation 2 sales still remain above that of the Nintendo DS.
As to the X-Box, it only sold 173 units during that period. Seems to me that the Japanese hate Microsoft even more than Slashdot.:-)
Re:Just to clarify
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Anonymous Coward
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The Japanese hate slashdot?
Re:Just to clarify
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DrEldarion
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Let's see, a more powerful dual-screened version of the most popular portable console of all time outsells a revision of the same old hardware where the only real differences are that it's much smaller and has built-in networking. Oh, and if you want to play FFXI on it (which many Japanese do), you're SOL since it's not compatible with the hard drive.
How is this even newsworthy?
Re:Just to clarify
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be-fan
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Or, it could just be that the XBox's gaming library is heavily biased towards American tastes? I'm an American, and I don't find the XBox's gaming library to be very attractive --- I hate PC games.
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Re:Just to clarify
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adisakp
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The sales numbers that have been published for that week are as follows:
1. GBASP 35,280
2. PS2 22,470
3. Nintendo DS
4. PS2 Redesign
5. GC 4,368
6. GBA 633
7. Xbox 173
Note: The actual unit numbers for PStwo and NDS aren't listed so NDS is between 4K and 22K which is a fairly large rainge.
Re:Just to clarify
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Lobo42
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But don't take my word for it, go read the reviews at gamespot.com...
Don't take my word for it...go take someone else's word for it!
Wow, that's...
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Anonymous Coward
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Really not that impressive. Lots of people already own PS2s and don't feel a need to upgrade.
Really? A pre-order is selling out more than a item that's been out for 4 years already? I'm just curious, how is the sale of Super Mario Brothers/Duck Hunt doing against Halo 2 preorders?
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i am not sure which is more impressive, the fact XBOX is getting absolutely hammered in Japan or the fact there's a way to track the fact less than 200 units were sold...
nintendo is still a very, very strong brand in japan, more so than in the states. a lot of people (like myself) grew up in japan with famicom being the first video game system they played...
One thing you are forgetting.
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Anonymous Coward
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I think the majority of you dont know the japanese gamer and why Ps2 has sold gazillions in Japan. Everytime a new color, or special edition PS2 has come out in Japan, it has sold millions. A lot of japanese gamers own more than 1 working Ps2 just for collectors sake. Its not very uncommon over there, and it IS surprising that the new PStwo isn't doing as well.
Re:One thing you are forgetting.
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CritterNYC
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it IS surprising that the new PStwo isn't doing as well.
1. It won't work with existing mod chips. 2. It won't work with the hard drive for Final Fantasy.
Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura
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be-fan
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Um, the Japanese love Americans*. The poor sales of the XBox have nothing to do with the Japanese hating Americans. The biggest problem with with the XBox is two-fold:
1) It was late to the scene, and the PS2 was *very* well established by that time;
2) It's gaming library isn't really what the Japanese like. XBox games are more like PC games and less like console games. It's heavy on sports titles, and light on console style RPGs and platformers.
*) So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French:)
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Re:XBox less than 200 units? Is that really accura
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MilenCent
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XBox is superior hardware, and good gaming library, why is it doing so poorly if not the "We hate the USA" argument, "Stupid americans".
I dispute the "good gaming library" bit. Besides Halo (and Halo 2), there is just not that much good for the system that cannot already be found for a different system. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in putting its library at a distant third place in the race. And considering that this is Japan we're talking about, where Sony, Nintendo, Sega and Squareenix *live*... no, it's not at all surprising they're doing poorly.
The hardware is good, but not that good really, I'm not aware of the XBox being a tremendous improvement over the other consoles available this wave, certainly not enough to make a difference at this point.
Not as big a deal as one may think
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LordZardoz
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While this cannot hurt the DS, it is not a huge accomplishment, to my mind. The modified and slimmed down PS2 is only going to really intrest a limited number of people.
1) Lunatics who must buy every Sony Console. 2) People replacing old / broken PS2 consoles. 3) People purchasing their first PS2.
The PS2 is on the downswing of its life cycle. Its still a popular console, but by now, pretty much everyone who wants one already has one. It would be more impressive if it was outselling all versions of the PS2 combined, since the new PS2 does not have the HD support.
END COMMUNICATION
The US / West Doesn't Get
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colonslashslash
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The Japanese gaming market, at least thats how it appears, I'm not a huge gamer, but you take a look at the majority of Japanese-only titles and think how well they would potentially do in the West.
Most of them would fall flat on their faces, and the same is true the other way around, at least in some part. My point is, companies like Nintendo and Sony are Japanese and they have a much better idea of what game content their market wants to see, therefore they are more succesful in producing tailored games for that market, and also find it alot easier to build up a fanbase for their hardware.
Japan as an entity seems to prefer titles like Super Magic Fun Travel Wish Yo-Yo 6 over something with lots of explosions and guns, maybe this is what companies like Microsoft are not realising?
Anyway, as I said, I may be way off, I havn't been a real gamer for years, and don't pay that much attention to it.
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not too surprising...
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fireduck
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so the DS presales are outselling the redesigned PS2 presales. perhaps that's because everyone already owns the PS2 and would prefer to pre-order something totally new over something that's just an update? (at least among first adopters.) here's the article that has the statistics. (can't seem to find the original gamespot story that is referred to)
I love the fact that the GBA, which already has an update to it, is selling at about 3 times the rate of the XBOX. I wonder where the IQue would fit on this list...
I think a just as interesting, if not more interesting story is the fact that a Gamecube + Mario Kart bundle will be coming out this holiday season for only $99.99. That's the same price just the console is selling for now.
Re:How well will it hold on?
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Babbster
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"Slightly better"? I know they're just screenshots available now, but the graphics upgrade looks pretty serious (and before anyone hits me with "gameplay over graphics," the jump to 3D from 2D is potentially a huge difference in gameplay). In addition, they've added a second LCD with touchscreen capability. Wireless connectivity adds yet another dimension to the beast (a shock frankly with the healthy profit margin on Nintendo's cables).
You could easily argue that the various incarnations of the monochrome Gameboy, and even the Gameboy Color, were weak upgrades. But the Gameboy Advance was a huge step and the GBA SP fixed a serious problem with the original. As above, the DS is another big change.
Short version: Your fingers are typing but your brain might not be keeping up.
Even Relevant?
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DanteBlack
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As many people have pointed out this is no surprise. But is it relevant? The DS is a new system, the slim PS2 is a new form factor. The real test will be against the Sony portable system. This here is just smoke and mirrors comparing system sales from different target markets. Pu-shaw.
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When the XBox first came out...
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lpangelrob2
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...Microsoft stood by Japan as the "must break into" market in order for the product launch to have really been a success... with Europe being a more secondary market.
Does anyone who's kept up with gaming news know if they've retreated from this statement? (Conceding that the Box is a decent threat to Sony stateside).
Re:How well will it hold on?
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TheLittleJetson
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I mean, without even seeing the product first hand, people are putting down money on hardware that is unproven. I wish I were at Nintendo right now...
Well, the gameboy is the best selling video game console of all time. Nintendo does a pretty good job of delivering cool hardware with first-party titles that are fun for people of all ages. I don't really think pre-ordering one now would be much of a risk.
Re:Not too surprising...
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Jace+of+Fuse!
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It does play GBA software...
But it is not a Gameboy. Nintendo has repeatedly stated that the NDS is NOT the successor to the Gameboy Advance.
Yet, even if it were it remains consistant with Nintendo's old practice of maintaining backwards compatibility. I don't even know how many Gameboy games I've had over the years, but even my original Metroid 2 works perfectly fine on my Gameboy Advance SP. Not that I care to replay it, but if I wanted to I could.
I wonder if Nintendo intends to migrate away from the Gameboy Platform or if future Gameboys will remain compatible with the entire prior line and include compatibility with the DS?
It's times like this that I wonder if Nintendo really makes long term goals for themselves or if they just kind of try shit and get lucky most of the time.
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Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
Other items the DS outsold
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The-Bus
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Some other things which the DS outsold... in Japan. From WhatDsOutsold.net:
Sega 32x
Flight tickets from Rio de Janeiro to Chicago O'Hare (on Pan-Am Airlines)
Wonder Swan
"Adventures in Babysitting" Tiger hand-held game
Duke Nukem Forever III: Forever and a Day (Collector's Edition with 4-ton hourglass)
Microsoft Bob XP Plus!
Ishtar (on LaserDisc)
Virtua Boy
Honestly...
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Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
OT:Just to clarify
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rossifer
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us in the U.S. have had it beaten over our heads that thinking America is a good country is a bad way to think
Actually, I only hear that from Bush supporters who feel that any criticism of the US government (present or historical) or US foreign policy is the same as bashing the whole country.
It's not. You don't have to be proud of everything the US has done to be a patriot. You just have to keep an eagle eye out to make sure that what you can make better you do make better. I've got a lot of problems with how native Americans were treated in the days of westward expansion. I've got a lot of problems with how the CIA has been willing to kill to support autocratic dictactors over democratically elected leaders as long as the dictator is friendly to US interests. But I still love this country.
In fact, that love is the reason why I'm so upset about the actions of the government that claims to represent me. If I didn't give a damn about the US, I probably wouldn't give a damn about what Bush does to the rest of the world.
The right wing really lives in a strange universe of their own construction. To rationalize the 50% of the country that completely disagrees with them, they've invented beliefs for the opposition that don't even make sense in their world view. Don't let me interrupt your strawman creation, but the opposition doesn't hate America, they (and I) just don't think it's being all it can be. But we're hopeful for the future.
Slashdot Mirror
I know it's often difficult to RTFA, so I'll clarify a point here: The DS did not outsell the Playstation 2. It outsold a new Playstation 2 redesign. Original Playstation 2 sales still remain above that of the Nintendo DS.
:-)
As to the X-Box, it only sold 173 units during that period. Seems to me that the Japanese hate Microsoft even more than Slashdot.
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Really not that impressive. Lots of people already own PS2s and don't feel a need to upgrade.
Hardly news. The gaming population already have PS2s and don't need a cosmeticly different version.
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Really? A pre-order is selling out more than a item that's been out for 4 years already? I'm just curious, how is the sale of Super Mario Brothers/Duck Hunt doing against Halo 2 preorders?
When modding "Informative", please make sure it both has a source and IS actually informative.
I'm not the only one who found this title slightly misleading
There is no replacement for displacement.
nintendo is still a very, very strong brand in japan, more so than in the states. a lot of people (like myself) grew up in japan with famicom being the first video game system they played...
I think the majority of you dont know the japanese gamer and why Ps2 has sold gazillions in Japan. Everytime a new color, or special edition PS2 has come out in Japan, it has sold millions. A lot of japanese gamers own more than 1 working Ps2 just for collectors sake. Its not very uncommon over there, and it IS surprising that the new PStwo isn't doing as well.
Um, the Japanese love Americans*. The poor sales of the XBox have nothing to do with the Japanese hating Americans. The biggest problem with with the XBox is two-fold:
:)
1) It was late to the scene, and the PS2 was *very* well established by that time;
2) It's gaming library isn't really what the Japanese like. XBox games are more like PC games and less like console games. It's heavy on sports titles, and light on console style RPGs and platformers.
*) So do people in most other countries, which Americans would realize if they actually traveled abroad. Even in Paris, people couldn't have been nicer as I tried to communicate in my heavily yankee-accented broken French
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
XBox is superior hardware, and good gaming library, why is it doing so poorly if not the "We hate the USA" argument, "Stupid americans".
I dispute the "good gaming library" bit. Besides Halo (and Halo 2), there is just not that much good for the system that cannot already be found for a different system. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in putting its library at a distant third place in the race. And considering that this is Japan we're talking about, where Sony, Nintendo, Sega and Squareenix *live*... no, it's not at all surprising they're doing poorly.
The hardware is good, but not that good really, I'm not aware of the XBox being a tremendous improvement over the other consoles available this wave, certainly not enough to make a difference at this point.
While this cannot hurt the DS, it is not a huge accomplishment, to my mind. The modified and slimmed down PS2 is only going to really intrest a limited number of people.
1) Lunatics who must buy every Sony Console.
2) People replacing old / broken PS2 consoles.
3) People purchasing their first PS2.
The PS2 is on the downswing of its life cycle. Its still a popular console, but by now, pretty much everyone who wants one already has one. It would be more impressive if it was outselling all versions of the PS2 combined, since the new PS2 does not have the HD support.
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Most of them would fall flat on their faces, and the same is true the other way around, at least in some part. My point is, companies like Nintendo and Sony are Japanese and they have a much better idea of what game content their market wants to see, therefore they are more succesful in producing tailored games for that market, and also find it alot easier to build up a fanbase for their hardware.
Japan as an entity seems to prefer titles like Super Magic Fun Travel Wish Yo-Yo 6 over something with lots of explosions and guns, maybe this is what companies like Microsoft are not realising?
Anyway, as I said, I may be way off, I havn't been a real gamer for years, and don't pay that much attention to it.
She's built like a steak house, but she handles like a bistro....
so the DS presales are outselling the redesigned PS2 presales. perhaps that's because everyone already owns the PS2 and would prefer to pre-order something totally new over something that's just an update? (at least among first adopters.) here's the article that has the statistics. (can't seem to find the original gamespot story that is referred to)
I love the fact that the GBA, which already has an update to it, is selling at about 3 times the rate of the XBOX. I wonder where the IQue would fit on this list...
I think a just as interesting, if not more interesting story is the fact that a Gamecube + Mario Kart bundle will be coming out this holiday season for only $99.99. That's the same price just the console is selling for now.
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You could easily argue that the various incarnations of the monochrome Gameboy, and even the Gameboy Color, were weak upgrades. But the Gameboy Advance was a huge step and the GBA SP fixed a serious problem with the original. As above, the DS is another big change.
Short version: Your fingers are typing but your brain might not be keeping up.
As many people have pointed out this is no surprise. But is it relevant? The DS is a new system, the slim PS2 is a new form factor. The real test will be against the Sony portable system. This here is just smoke and mirrors comparing system sales from different target markets. Pu-shaw.
I am invisble, and you can't see me.
Does anyone who's kept up with gaming news know if they've retreated from this statement? (Conceding that the Box is a decent threat to Sony stateside).
-Rob
Marriage doesn't have to suck!
I mean, without even seeing the product first hand, people are putting down money on hardware that is unproven. I wish I were at Nintendo right now...
Well, the gameboy is the best selling video game console of all time. Nintendo does a pretty good job of delivering cool hardware with first-party titles that are fun for people of all ages. I don't really think pre-ordering one now would be much of a risk.
It does play GBA software...
But it is not a Gameboy. Nintendo has repeatedly stated that the NDS is NOT the successor to the Gameboy Advance.
Yet, even if it were it remains consistant with Nintendo's old practice of maintaining backwards compatibility. I don't even know how many Gameboy games I've had over the years, but even my original Metroid 2 works perfectly fine on my Gameboy Advance SP. Not that I care to replay it, but if I wanted to I could.
I wonder if Nintendo intends to migrate away from the Gameboy Platform or if future Gameboys will remain compatible with the entire prior line and include compatibility with the DS?
It's times like this that I wonder if Nintendo really makes long term goals for themselves or if they just kind of try shit and get lucky most of the time.
"Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"
Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
Honestly...
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
us in the U.S. have had it beaten over our heads that thinking America is a good country is a bad way to think
Actually, I only hear that from Bush supporters who feel that any criticism of the US government (present or historical) or US foreign policy is the same as bashing the whole country.
It's not. You don't have to be proud of everything the US has done to be a patriot. You just have to keep an eagle eye out to make sure that what you can make better you do make better. I've got a lot of problems with how native Americans were treated in the days of westward expansion. I've got a lot of problems with how the CIA has been willing to kill to support autocratic dictactors over democratically elected leaders as long as the dictator is friendly to US interests. But I still love this country.
In fact, that love is the reason why I'm so upset about the actions of the government that claims to represent me. If I didn't give a damn about the US, I probably wouldn't give a damn about what Bush does to the rest of the world.
The right wing really lives in a strange universe of their own construction. To rationalize the 50% of the country that completely disagrees with them, they've invented beliefs for the opposition that don't even make sense in their world view. Don't let me interrupt your strawman creation, but the opposition doesn't hate America, they (and I) just don't think it's being all it can be. But we're hopeful for the future.
Regards,
Ross