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Ubuntu For PPC, And As A Live CD
Jeff writes "Ubuntu is just sweet. For Mac users it is even sweeter, as you can read in this review: it supports hardware like a charm ad now with a live CD out everyone can taste ... sorry, test it." And
Chris writes "Gnoppix 0.8.1 now appears to be Ubuntu Linux based. At OSDir, we've got over 50 screenshots of the Gnoppix 0.8.1 release, including the controversial Ubuntu desktop background images." (See this earlier story; the default background images have been changed in Ubuntu proper, so the "controversy" need not keep you up nights.) The Gnoppix version is a very nice Gnome-based live CD, with fewer apps but more polish than most live CDs I've tried. (Note that this is not the same as the official Ubuntu CD, and that the PPC version is not a live CD.)
err... anyone got a link to the controversial theme so we can see what all the fuss was about?
As a gnomiac I have been wanting to give ubunta a proper try, but don't want to have to go through an install on my desktop and don't have a machine to spare right now. So I downloaded the ubuntu live Cd and found - like most live CDs - the effort was a complete waste of time. Ok, given that it takes me like a half hour to download it wasn't a LOT of effort, but I was disappointed because I had heard so many good things.
I've also tried two releases of gnoppix and found neither of them to work any better on my two main machines (one of them being a thinkpad 600, which I would expect to be supported by just about anything). In fact, the only live CD I've had any real luck with is knoppix.
Downloaded the full load of ubuntu; given my luck so far trying to build gnome 2.8 on my mdk10.1 community I might just have to break down and give it a proper go. I sure hope it can live up to the hype.
You went back to FC2 *just* for an IDE and Xemacs? Are you nuts? I use FC2 but I wouldn't go to or from any distro just for a couple apps expecially when with Ubuntu you can update your repository and grab that stuff right out of debian. Dude, you could have installed the IDE of your choice and xemacs in about 2 minutes. Funny.
Perhaps you are unaware, but PPC hardware did in fact exist before OS X, and most of that pre-existing hardware will not run OS X. Given Linux vs. OS 9, I'd certainly choose Linux. Of course, I'd probably choose Linux regardless, as I'm not a huge fan of OS X, but to each his own.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
1. Someone buying a mac can certainly afford OS X. This may come as a surprise to you, but if you buy a new Mac it even comes with OS X. So please stop your trolling.
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2. Again, I know it is hard to believe for some people, but there are computer users who don't think that OS X is the best OS that ever was and ever will be and that simply prefer Linux. Reasons for that may be that they are simply more familiar with Linux, that they want a coherent IT infrastracture and are already using Linux on their other machines, that they simply enjoy the choices Linux offers compare to OS X, that they are more productive with something like ratpoisen than with the eye-candy of OS X
3. For older Macs Linux is a great option, as OS X tends to run, ehm, not really fast on these machines.
My sentiments go with most of the others who replied to this posting. In addition, there are some Linux users who have been using Linux on the PC platform for years who may want to switch over to PPC but aren't willing to part with their OS of choice. Having more Linux distros available for the PPC just means more choices. Why is that a bad thing?
it has something to do with Freedom.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Why screw around with PPC Linux, when one can run OS X?
More software fully compatible with the system. Familiarity with an OS you used before. More frequent updates in most distros. You hate OS X. You just want to (TM).
Yeah, OK, if you're poor and can't afford OS X. Maybe if you're a developer. But for users?
If you buy a mac, OS X is there. No "I'm poor" choice, unless we talk upgrading from OS 9 (rare case).
For users, perhaps it doesn't make sense. As it doesn't make sense for (non power) users in the 80x86 platform switching to linux from windows, if they can afford it and feel fine with the desktop.
Then again, linux in ppc is as masochist as linux in 80x86, in most aspects. But while people like you wonder why should someone use linux, there are happy linux campers around, and they don't care if you don't want to run linux cause you think it's for masochists.
Based on your opinion, I could go on a rant "Apple hardware is for elitist assholes/rich brats/etc., x86 is the way!". But I don't think like that, and I don't want to.
Why not? I never said 'Don't install Linux on your Mac', I said 'Linux on the Mac is for masochists' and it's true.
Please elaborate. I find distros like Ubuntu as easy to use and install on PPC as Mac OS X. Yeah, I've used both, in case you wonder.
For me, I just have no desire to dick around with Linux while I have a perfectly serviceable Unix (tm) available.
Well, it's your life. We linux users don't care.
As far as the Mac not being a real Unix, it is far more of a 'real' Unix than Linux. It's directly descended from AT&T Unix. It has a microkernel design, and is definitely BSD.
First, AT&T unix didn't have microkernel parts at all, so direct descendency is more than questionable. Second, UNIX System V came after BSD, it's a more modern UNIX specification, but still UNIX. Linux follows this one. Third, OS X uses a microkernel to load the bsd one completely in memory. There goes your microkernel design.
And last, remember that to have a true UNIX(R) system, you have to pay for certification. Perhaps linux could get it, but the developers already said they wouldn't apply for it since it's not their goal to make a pure UNIX system.
Except that Linux is now the default *nix. There is a reason why IBM designed there mainframes to run Linux. IBM didn't setup there mainframes to run virtual machines of BSD. There is a reason why Solaris and FreBSD have linux emulation layers. There is a reason why Sun sells Linux machines.
There are more Linux than Mac servers. Depending on whose numbers you use, there are more Linux Desktops than Macs. Even the conservative numbers put Linux about equal with Macs.
Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
Why would you want to run *nix on a ppc when you can run it on a cheaper amd64 machine?
Shit this is a stupid question, but I'll answer it anyway:
Because you have a PPC machine, and don't have an AMD64.
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I prefer Linux.
the said the distro was gnome only.
I recently converted to the KDE after being a die hard icewm user.
I've read so many comments on slashdot about what a pain in the ass Gnome is.
If I want to futz, I will go back to icewm.
That's exactly the problem, you prude. Not that it's illegal to show people hugging each other, but that's it's considered "improper" in the society. Not that blacks are somehow inferiour to us, humans, but you are "not supposed" to put them on wallpapers and login screens. Not that I am racist, Jimmy, but I don't want you to play with those niggers in school. Not that it's illegal for free adults to care about each other, but we must protect the sacred institution of marriage. Or something...
This is sick, this is what every sane person hates about political correctness, that it makes us inhuman, that it denies us everything that somehow deviates from the bland, corporate-sanctioned banality.
And since no discussion about Linux distros is complete without mentioning Microsoft, let me remind you about this cute little story of our beloved government fighting child porn peddlers. Or was it some retards making fuss about nothing, I don't remember. To make a long story short, a hologram on a Windows'95 retail box had an animation of a happy little kid pointing to the computer where Win95 was installed. That was a cute animation, but the child (or horrors!) was not wearing a shirt. Which, in the minds of our hiddenly perverted keepers of the morals, meant that the kid was not wearing any pants either (even though the kid was only seen from the waist up). Which meant, in turn, that it was evil child porn and Microsoft was pressured to change the image on that sticker. Shit, America and it's political correctness bullshit is a disgrace to our world.
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Now if you excuse me, I have to go cut a hole in a sheet so my wife can bear children.
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You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
And why on Earth wasn't that installed by default?! It seems like a major oversight for a distro that strives to do all the boring fiddly stuff automagically. Installing the menu framework, without asking, is "do what I mean".