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New Bin Laden Tape Surfaces

An anonymous submitter writes "Osama bin Laden delivered a new videotaped message in which he told Americans their security does not depend on the president they elect, but on U.S. policy. 'Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda.'"

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  1. Re:Let the candidates speak for themselves... by andreMA · · Score: 4, Informative
    The terrorists will not scare the United States as it did Spain
    This is a common misperception. The attack itself had far less impact on the Spanish election than the incumbent party - without evidence - attempting to pin it on the Basque seperatist ETA... to whom the opposition party was seen as somewhat sympathetic.

    The Spanish people were angered at being lied to for political purposes, and it backfired on the liars.

  2. Re:Osama makes more sense than either Bush OR Kerr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are both WAY off. Try 100,000

    http://news.google.com/news?q=iraq+100%2C000

  3. Rough transcript by cow_licker · · Score: 3, Informative

    "You American people, my speech to you is the best way to avoid another conflict about the war and its reasons and results. I am telling you security is an important pillar of human life. And free people don't let go of their security contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. He should tell us why we didn't hit Sweden for instance. Its known that those who hate freedom don't have dignified souls, like the 19 who were blessed. But we fought you because we are free people, we don't sleep on our oppression. We want to regain the freedom of our Muslim nation as you spill our security, we spill your security.

    I am so surprised by you. Although we are in the fourth year after the events of sept 11, Bush is still practicing distortion and misleading on you, and obscuring the main reasons and therefore the reasons are still existing to repeat what happened before. I will tell you the reasons behind theses incidents.

    I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken to understand. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I cant explain but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the US to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women.

    We didn't find difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration due to the similarity of his regime and the regims in our countries. Whish half of them are ruled by military and the other half by sons of kings and presidents and our experience with them is long. Both parties are arrogant and stubborn and the greediness and taking money without right and that similarity appeared during the visits of Bush to the region while people from our side were impressed by the US and hoped that these visits would influence our countries. Here he is being influenced by these regimes, Royal and military. And was feeling jealous they were staying for decades in power stealing the nations finances without anybody overseeing them. So he transferred the oppression of freedom and tyranny to his son and they call it the Patriot Law to fight terrorism. He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from the rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times.

    We agreed with Mohamed Atta, god bless him, to execute the whole operation in 20 minutes. Before Bush and his administration would pay attention and we never thought that the high commander of the US armies would leave 50 thousand of his citizens in both towers to face the horrors by themselves when they most needed him because it seemed to distract his attention from listening to the girl telling him about her goat butting was more important than paying attention to airplanes butting the towers which gave us three times the time to execute the operation thank god.

    Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your hands. Each state that doenst mess with our security has automatically secured their security."

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  4. Re:Osama makes more sense than either Bush OR Kerr by bottlerocket · · Score: 2, Informative
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    where the comment ends and sig begins
  5. Re:Authenticity by the+quick+brown+fox · · Score: 4, Informative
    "And I tell you, God only knows, that we never had the intentions to destroy the towers."

    He meant before America sided with Israel against Lebanon and Palestine. He says so, and then continues, "And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children."

    What he's trying to say is "Yeah I took out the WTC, but you started it."

  6. Re:The most powerful part of this message... by fafalone · · Score: 2, Informative

    The very fact that Bush specifically mentioned how important it was to kill/capture Osama and then outsourced the job to groups who were also actively fighting eachother, who let him escape, and then to add insult to injury denied he ever said Osama was a priority and that he didn't even think about him anymore, is one of the many reasons i did not vote for Bush (early voting r0x0rZ!).

  7. Re: Ruh roh. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Informative


    > Do we know how long ago it was recorded? If he mentions Kerry, I suppose it's probably not that old. Are there any other clues, such as mention of recent events?

    Mention of 1000 US dead in Iraq puts it within the last couple of months.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  8. Re:Osama makes more sense than either Bush OR Kerr by burns210 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think it is interesting that Osama's war with the United States is atleast arguably more justafiable(though not excusable) than the our war with Iraq.

    We attacked Iraq before they attacked us. They posed no immediate threat, etc, etc. The particulars are arguable according to whom you decide to vote for, but that is the way of things. Heck, we have even killd 5 times as many people as Osama killed in 9-11....

    Didn't we warn ourselves in the days after the attacks, that we shouldn't let them change us. That changing our liberties, our society and our convictions were what the terrorists wanted. Isn't this what we vowed not to allow to happen?

    The word 'backfire' doesn't seem to quite cover the current situation.

  9. Examples. by khasim · · Score: 2, Informative
    Some things done recently (Patriot Act, et al) have the potential to threaten civil liberties... IF ABUSED.

    Can you show me where this has happened? Can you point to one instance where civil liberties have been actually curtailed? I'm really tired of this argument because no one seems to be able to point to something concrete. It seems as baseless as the fear-mongering about the draft.


    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/padilla_12-1 8- 03.html
    another example
    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6012286/site/news week/

    US citizens. Arrested. No charge. No lawyer. No trial.