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China's Superior Technologies

paRcat writes "Still think China is a land too far away from everything? This article compares some of China's common uses of technology to what we're accustomed to in the West. With the genius traffic lights and the cell phone coverage... I'm kinda jealous."

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  1. Re:Come on, superior technology? by millahtime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    technology isn't just computers. it can be coats and the materials they are made of or how they are made. all, uses of things can be technology. technology is a broad term

  2. use of technology by millahtime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I must say they have adopted better uses for the technology. Technology is supposed to make your life easier and that is somethign they are doing that western culture isn't.

    China has something western society should model after. It kills me how often I hear, "We have always done it that way, why change"

  3. Cell Phones vs. Landlines by Thu25245 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Almost every developing nation has a higher rate of cell-phone coverage than the US (and many other "western" nations.)

    The Bell System and the various state-owned monopolies built reliable, universal landline networks across these countries almost a century ago. Since the majority of the infrastructure has already been made and paid off decades ago, use of these networks today is commonplace (and very affordable.) The technology is often proven, well tested, and reliable (often regulated.) Cell phones, on the other hand, are more expensive and less reliable.

    In developing nations, the landline systems are often unreliable and not much cheaper (if at all) than mobile systems. Users in these countries have every reason to invest in mobile phones. I wonder if this will continue to be the case with the deployment of VoIP systems.

  4. Re:Existing infrastructure by bombadillo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about Western Europe? There is much more existing infrastructure in the Western European countries than in the U.S. However, they also seem to embrace technology faster than the U.S. I feel it is due to population density. The U.S. has a low population density. The denser the population the greater your market in a particular area. No surprise that technology hits those types of markets sooner than later.

  5. Cool stuff by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have some cool ideas in China. The Styrofoam in the super markets might not work in the US because people might find it unsanitary. I like the traffic light idea and I've always thought about the system of identifying free parking spots every time I'm hunting for one in a large, crowded lot.

    However, some of these seem great because they didn't have to replace old technology. They mentioned how landlines were never popular, so they went from no phones straight to cell phones. The US had to piggy back the new system on the old system.

    So in 20 years, will they still be cutting edge, or will they be surpassed by other countries that either are just technologically developing or have been developed for a while and are "upgrading".

  6. Great... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another topic where half the posts will be comments that contain nothing but jingoism and nationalist comments rather than examine China's genuine potential for growth.

    Remember people, this is the world's biggest nation (by population), with the real potential to be the world's biggest manufacturer and the world's biggest marketplace. And, remember, that that potential is starting to be realised: China already has a import surplus of billions with most Western countries, including the US, and China is now starting to become a real consumer culture in its own right.

    They may have given everyone else a head-start but then so did Japan and Germany post-WWII, and look at how powerful their economies have become.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  7. this isn't superior technology by xutopia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it is superior use of existing technology and better organization. Sadly we're far behind in many aspects. Hopefully we can catch up.

  8. Re:Or not by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I actually cancelled my subscription to the Globe and Mail for sponsoring her articles about 7 years ago. Mean and vindictive, she had no place in journalism. She's a shrew and a thoroughly despicable person. Although it might be only me, I remember getting the impression that she was a bit of a Chinese communist sympathiser, so her writing an article on the technology 'innovations' of China does not surprise me.

    Regarding innovation, you are 100% correct -- that is the US' prime advantage. That plus abundant natural resources which can be exported, or at least support self-sufficiency. Even regarding oil, I believe the US only gets 30% of its supply from OPEC.

    Fortunately China is beholden to the US still in many regards. Its needs the US markets to sell products too; it relies upon the US currency to supply economic stability and prevent inflation in China while they go through this boom; and they need North America to provide raw materials and resources. We're a long way from the sunsetting of the American empire, but the US will be facing a new world power as a competitor (if its not already).

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  9. It had to be said. by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll take my basic freedoms and liberty any day over technology.

    Seriously. Don't you think there's a cost to all this? Do you really think a republic like the US could do something like this?

    The fact is -- it would be easier for us to modernize Iraq than it would be to modernize the US. Authoritarian control makes everything a ton easier for the government at the expense of the people.

    Pick your poison.

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    -- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
  10. Re:Existing infrastructure by antiMStroll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who moderates this stuff? China and Europe have personal residences and restaraunts older than your counry. Boston's a swaddling baby compared to them.

  11. Re:Government of the people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks for the false dilemma. Either we accept corporate hegemony and end-times theocracy or we accept godless Communism? How about freedom, which resembles neither?

  12. Re:Come on, superior technology? by acrid_k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the early 90s I was in a small factory city in South West China. The town was a mass of concrete; an artless, treeless, birdless place dominated by factories. The only luxury goods available were cigarettes and rice wine. Once at the train station one of the locals lectured my friend (a Swiss guy who spoke fluent Mandarin) on how China was leading the world technologically--while the *steam* trains pulled in and out of the station. The local airport even had half a dozen bi-planes sitting on the tarmac and the soldiers had WWI era rifles. In the special economic zones you no doubt have something much closer resembling the standards of the West (and the seeds of the Communist's downfall). One city near the border with Hong Kong protected its appearance, replete with skyscrapers and the reflecting glass that dominated Western architecture in the 80s, with a massive mandatory carwash. Every vehicle coming into the city from the country was forced to go thru the carwash. The carwash also doubled as a inspection point as ordinary citizens needed permission to enter the special economic zone.

  13. Re:A government for the people? by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The United States executes juveniles and the retarded. We detain Muslims. We invade countries then torture their populace.

    Why is that insightful?

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    A NYC lawyer blogs. http://www.chuangblog.com/
  14. Convenience vs Profit by code+addict · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think a major issue that arises in Capitalist countries is that profit is the main (only?) motivator for most technologies. In other words, if it isn't going to sell more copies, or reap more profit it's not worth doing. Many of the items mentioned in the article would have existed long ago in other countries had it been profitable to do so. Unfortunately, modern capitalism seems to trend towards maximizes proft, and minimizing cost (for both the businesses and consumers). This means that most people will suffer incoveniences to benefit from lower prices.

    Supermarkets and other retail outlets are perfect examples of this. It's the classic service vs. price.

    Even the stop lights in the article are an example of this. Most citizens would rather have dumb traffic lights and lower taxes than smart ones and higher taxes. Unfortunately this leads to a lifestyle that is filled with minor incoveniences.

    A sad indicator of this is how surprised we are when someone gives us good service without charging us an extra fee.

  15. and we have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    abu-gharaib.
    We even export our human rights violations.

  16. Re:Statistics by pilybaby · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In China you get into jail for saying what you think. People are imprisoned and tortured. Human rights violated.
    You can be imprisoned indefinatly with no reason given and with no access to a lawyer - here in the UK, and the Patroit act does pretty much the same I believe.

    I'm so glad we're free.
  17. Re:Statistics by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should also check the one on France and Germany. Infact you should check on it for what every country you live in. IF you can not get to the website then you know you have some real issues. Can the people in China read the report on China?

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  18. Re:lesson of Japan's stagnation by vakuona · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The one thing I like about Japan's stagnation is that there is no poverty there. It is amazing that in a country as rich as the USA, 12% of the people there live in poverty. Guess what, that is the same as in China.

    In USA when the economy suffers, it is mostly the poor on whom it is taken out on. They lose insurance, they lose their jobs and so on. In Japan, they stop growing but guess what, they are not really sweating it. They value different things. Americans value riches and expensive cars. The Japanese actually do get by with Toyotas. Witness how the Lexus brand ws only recently introduced in Japan after being in USA and Europe for the past 20 odd years. And it is owned wholly by a Japanese company. Because the Japanese do not have such big brand mentality, they will be buy a Toyota for the equivalent of $80,000. Americans will have none of that.

    USAs GPD per Capita is inflated by the very rich. Japan has one of the smallest, if not the smallest Gini coefficients in the world. There is much more even wealth distribution than in USA. The USA is a country full of individuals, but Japan is more of a community.

    In many ways Japan is far ahead of the USA. They still produce higher quality goods than USA and indeed just about every other country.