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Novell Swings Back at Ballmer

Jeff.Ingalls writes "Novell Inc has issued a response to Microsoft Corp CEO Steve Ballmer's recent anti-Linux memo, using the same reports cited by Ballmer in defense of the open source operating system."

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  1. Why, Ballmer, Why? by Le+Marteau · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why does Ballmer do this? Why does he make such idiotic, easy-to-refute statements? For example, from the article:

    Ballmer noted: "Yankee's study concluded that, in large enterprises, a significant Linux deployment or total switch from Windows to Linux would be three to four times more expensive - and take three times as long to deploy - as an upgrade from one version of Windows to a newer release".

    What he failed to point out, according to Novell, was Yankee's statement: "In summary, the Yankee Group's TCO survey found that Linux does offer compelling cost savings, economies of scale and technical advantages, as many a satisfied user will attest...


    I can't believe that guy is a top executive of a major corporation. He makes Darl look like a business genius in comparison. He impresses me as some kind of jackass, who just HAPPENED to be in the right place at the right time, and is where he is DESPITE rather than BECAUSE of his business acumen.

    It seems that you almost have to have your head up your ass as firmly as Ballmer or Darl to get anywhere in corporate america.
    It's examples like this which prove to me that I will never be an executive of any company but my own. I am just too attracted to honesty and integrity.

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    1. Re:Why, Ballmer, Why? by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Bush deliberately used factually incorrect soundbites to beat Anne Richards and later Gore and finally Kerry.

      Hey, don't forget John McCain in there.

      The problem however, is that this works best on uneducated people.

      Who are in the majority by at least 3 million, according to a survey conducted a couple of days ago. :-)

    2. Re:Why, Ballmer, Why? by dedalus2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So am i the only one who thinks the term limits are going to be changed before election '08?

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    3. Re:Why, Ballmer, Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Who's to say that google won't "accidentally" break the filter somehow, in say, 3 or 4 years from now? "Well, who would have known we had a time sensitive bug in there?"
      I would argue that collectively Google is smarter than the Chinese government, and could easily foil any of the filtering attempts.

    4. Re:Why, Ballmer, Why? by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because sound bytes are what sell right now. When Ballmer released his memo, the key phrases were gobbled up by oodles of gullible execs. How many people are going to see the rebuttal? The rebuttal will repair less than the original memo hurt. Ballmer wins. Again.

      I am not completely sure here.

      First, if you read his memo, it really sounds like "look what we have shown" rather than a really determined attempt to make a point. It does give Martinta's email. But....

      Most execs I know who have read this memo will ask questions about it. This is not above an opportunity for rebuttal. So....

      Microsoft has used this technique to try to overthrow other products in the past (most recently Netware), but it has always been combined with a good product strategy (AD was good enough, etc). I am not really seeing a good product strategy here. Microsoft is the underdog here.

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  2. Moving the Groupwise/Suse by brandonp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm in the process of getting rid of our Windows 2000/Exchange server and moving to use Groupwise running off Suse Linux. We're planning to have it all done by January of next year.

    I'm excited and anxious to get this done, I'm looking forward to a lower TCO.

    Brandon Petersen
    Get Firefox!

    1. Re:Moving the Groupwise/Suse by IgorMrBean · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We've just moved to Groupwise 6.5SP2 on SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9. As of today, Grpwise 6.5 on SLES9 is not officially, but you'll find 1 TID on Novell website giving you the first answer to the first problem you will encouter. Works pretty well. Novell plans to officially support SLES9 with Groupwise starting of SP3, which is scheduled to be relaese soon. The only frustrating think I find is that Novell has bought SUSE about 1 year ago, and not all Novell/SUSE/Ximian are yet compatible each other. I know it is a big/enormous job todo, but Novell has to merge all products really quick, if they want to enable OneNet fast, to shiht Microsoft where they failed. Per extrapolation, and personal opinion, I would say that Novell will achieve this by the second Q of 2005.. Come on Novell guys, lets go back to work

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    2. Re:Moving the Groupwise/Suse by fitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you keeping track of your expenditures of keeping Win2k/Exchange running over the same period of time as you are doing the labor required by the migration?

      Do you know how much you spent (in licenses and labor) over the past year or so on the Windows platform? After a year of Groupwise, do the comparison. Remember to include training and the like.

      This would be good information for folks to see.

  3. That's some VERY high quality crack... by apachetoolbox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ballmer's conclusion that "It's pretty clear that the facts show that Windows provides a lower total cost of ownership than Linux; the number of security vulnerabilities is lower on Windows, and Windows' responsiveness on security is better than Linux; and Microsoft provides uncapped IP indemnification of their products, while no such comprehensive offering is available for Linux or open source."

    I have no idea where he came up with those points. He has no problems blantently lieing to everyone I see. Ballmer for president '08?

  4. Re:Novell has a heartbeat?? by yuriismaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes they do. Right now I'm a student in the Clark County School District and all our systems have Novell Clients. Their ZenWorks policy manager is just plain damned cool, and with user-extensible policies, you can login on a locked-down-to-nothing user account, then log back in with full admin without a hiccup.

    Granted, trying to maintain functionality while avoiding spyware is hard... but we keep a balance. Novell's admin program (ConsoleOne) is a plugin-extensible java program that allows you full admin rights (if you're logged in as such, of course) from a nice, smooth interface, with templates, UImport, and a bunch of goodies.

    We (in the LAN class) just set up a dummy server to hack around on. Any CNA/E/I's have any fun stuff to suggest?

  5. You're in for a fight from your users... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Two years ago, we trashed Outlook/Exchange for a Lotus email system, and today, we're still fighting our users who are still refusing to accept the system. They think that MS Exchange is king, and that it's the only system worthy of the name "email system". They have been dragged kicking and screaming away from MS brand of heroin and two years later are still having severe withdrawals. A significant number of our users have even deliberately done stuff to sabotage the sucessful migration away from Outlook/Exchange and no matter how hard management orders them to comply, they refuse. We can't fire them either, since we are a govt organization :-(.

  6. Ballmer is getting desperate by rseuhs · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Come on, even studies funded and published by Microsoft show good sides about Linux? Windows is becoming a harder sell every day.

    Also just look at Microsoft's "strategy", it's merely prolonging the status-quo, they don't even try to sell Windows to for example the 80% of webmasters who don't run it. They know that every customer lost won't come back because in the long run Linux is a lot cheaper.

    The history of Microsoft will be:

    • 80's: Establishment of domination(DOS)
    • 90's: Massive growth and huge profits(Windows)
    • 00's: Stagnation and decline in non-core markets (like webservers)
    • 10's: Decline in all marketsand end of domination

    It will take some time, but Microsoft won't be able to stop Linux.

  7. Free T-Shirts for unique anti-M$ FUD hud! by Poetic+Intensity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can read the real thing here. With a little more digging, I found you can even get your own Novell T-shirt if you can find / post any unique anti-M$ FUD stuff on the Internet. (unique = not already posted by Novell or Microsoft).

  8. Re:The truth does not count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Corporations are primarily political entities where people prefer to hide from problems than address them. How true that is! Here at Intel, I've been told "If you point out a problem, then you're the one that will be tasked with fixing the problem." Amazing how far a culture like that goes to inspire a "My, what fine new clothes you have, Emperor!" attitude in employees... is in any wonder that AMD and VIA are eating Intel's lunch in the marketplace?

  9. My favorite part by laitcg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think this pretty much sums it up:

    "Given the increased adoption rates of Linux by customers, many of them also appear to disagree with Mr. Ballmer's negative assessment of Linux. So do the large number of ISVs who have already or are planning to port to Linux.

    Microsoft's most recent 10k presents another, perhaps more realistic, assessment of the prospect for Linux and Open Source software:"
    We believe that Microsoft's share of server units grew modestly in fiscal 2004, while Linux distributions rose slightly faster on an absolute basis. The increase in Linux distributions reflects some significant public announcements of support and adoption of open source software in both the server and desktop markets in the last year. To the extent open source software products gain increasing market acceptance, sales of our products may decline, which could result in a reduction in our revenue and operating margins.
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  10. Re:It's fun to watch the fray... by dont_think_twice · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This particular developer likes feeding himself and his fiancee, having a roof over his head, gas in his tank, etc.

    Whether the programming job that provides all of that also provides freedom is a distant concern by comparison.


    Hey, I think I remember you. You were the guy in Boston in 1772 who was saying that the King provided security and jobs. You said revolting for our freedom was too risky.

    Or wait, maybe you were the guy in Wittenburg in 1517 who told Martin Luther that he should not oppose the catholic church because they were backed by divine law, and provided comfort and help, and would even take away all your sins, for a small fee.

    Or maybe, just maybe, that was you last week in Ohio saying that you were going to vote for George Bush because at least you know what he stands for. Who knows what Kerry stands for.

    There is no reason that a software economy built on freedom will take away your job, just like there was no reason that a free America meant a loss of strength, or a freedom from a corrupt church meant a loss of spirituality. (Not sure about the third one - we wont know what a freedom from GW will mean for a while.) Pretty soon free software will provide such a strong backbone upon which to build that it will be crazy to start from scratch with closed source. Just like previous transitions, some parts will be rough, but when we are through it, everyone will look back and wonder how anyone could have conceived of doing it any other way. At least you will understand.