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Evidence of Glaciers on Mars?

cyclop writes "Nature reports that the Mars Express mission has photographed evidence of ancient glaciers on Mars. It seems glaciers have sculpted valleys on the red planet, much like on Earth." Reader macguys writes "Space.com is reporting that the Mars Rover Opportunity has received an unexpected and unexplained power boost of between 2 and 5 percent. The NASA Rover site is so far silent on the boost."

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  1. Power Boost by kaellinn18 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was under the impression the "unexplained power boost" was due to the fact that the Martian day is longer at this time of year.

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    1. Re:Power Boost by dtolman · · Score: 5, Informative
      This is over and above that.

      A power boost like this means that there is less dust on the panels. Speculation I've seen includes that wind in the crater blew the dust off or that the winter frost somehow condensed the dust so it takes up less surface area...

    2. Re:Power Boost by Sai+Babu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Martian bum cleaned the panels with spit and yesterdays newspaper. Now he wants a buck for a bottle of listerine.

    3. Re:Power Boost by dtolman · · Score: 4, Informative
      Doesn't frost require water? If not, what other substance can cause it at those temperatures?

      Other substances can condense at the low temperatures on Mars. I think most of the time the primary component of Martian frost is CO2 - Carbon Dioxide. CO2 frosts were documented by the two Viking landers - so this is a known (though I have no idea how well understood) phenomenon.

    4. Re:Power Boost by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here is an image of frost at the Viking 2 landing site. It is believed to be water frost according to that site.

  2. "Anonymous power boost" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    well, at least the martians were kind enough to recharge its batteries for us...

  3. power boost by freeze128 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The martians were trying to connect their iPods to the rover so they could get the latest U2 album.

  4. Powerboost old news - rover site posted weeks ago by dtolman · · Score: 5, Informative
    Rover site is silent on this? Try reading the press releases when they come out.

    This was posted weeks ago...

  5. Dust Devil Cleaning Services by Esteanil · · Score: 5, Funny
    The rover team has been bandying about theories, but hasn't figured out the cause.

    "One favorite is that a dust devil happened to pick the vehicle to go through and go over the surface of it and clean it off a little bit,'' Erickson said.

    Dust Devil Cleaning Services, the last remains of the vast martian civilization ;-)
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  6. The wheel? by Sporkinum · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe the drive wheel that was stuck freed up and and lowered the load. Or, more likely, a lucky gusty of wind cleaned some of the dust off the solar cells.

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    1. Re:The wheel? by dtolman · · Score: 4, Informative
      Maybe the drive wheel that was stuck freed up and and lowered the load.

      The stuck wheel was on the rover Spirit -this article is about the other one, Opportunity. So no go on that theory. In any case, this change is in the incoming power, not the power expenditure - so changes in the wheel wouldn't change anything.

  7. Powerboost by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Funny

    NASA announced that the rover's next destination will be the powerup that will give it rocket launchers.

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  8. What's Your Prediction? by brandonp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Someone should start up a site that everyone can place predictions and bets on the day that Spirit and Opprotunity dies.

    It should be like the site that let everyone bet when the next big version of Linux was coming.

    It'd be good clean fun for geeks,

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  9. This power boost is clear evidence by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is Jolt Cola on mars. This can only mean one thing. Martians are a bunch of jumped up caffiene druggies hiding out in their sophisticated cave strongholds and are currently planning to destroy the earth by sending their ancient glaciers here to be melted by global warming and thus submerging our free and democratic planet.

    Why yes I have been listening to Donald Rumsfeld a lot lately, why do you ask?

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  10. OK, I think I have this straight. by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Funny
    Earth's glaciers are not melting. They are migrating to Mars and repowering the rovers by sculpting The Big Valley starring Linda Evans as Audra Barkley.

    Man, it's Friday, isn't it?

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  11. Re:Why Mars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We will always have the homeless, whether we go to Mars or not.

    Not if we send them to Mars.

  12. Re:Why Mars? by SallyMac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You've got to be joking. Space exploration holds not only the future for our species (Earth isn't always going to be habitiable for us, especially the way we're treating it), but endless possibilities of discovery. Isolation never has done anyone any good, and that counts for staying planetside as well. We could easily fund social programs like you're talking about if everyone actually got up and contributed more to the communities that they live in. When was the last time you were at your local elemenary school dropping off supplies, or handing out food to the homeless?

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  13. Re:Powerboost old news - rover site posted weeks a by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Rover site is silent on this? Try reading the press releases when they come out.

    From the site:
    Possible explanations under consideration include the action of wind removing some dust from the solar panels or the action of frost causing dust to clump. "We seem to have had several substantial cleanings of the solar panels," Erickson said.
    Seems that perhaps all those Slashdotters who always ask why wipers couldn't have been installed, or claim that dust was immediately going to kill power, can finally be silenced?

    One aspect of a particularly long mission like the Mars Rovers is that it acts as a real-world test-bed for the new technologies. Maybe the dust buildup isn't nearly as big an issue as was originally thought, and maybe they've found a good compromise between power consumption and keeping the rover innards warm with the 'deep sleep' capacity. Still, the machinery will fail eventually - here's to hoping that however it does fail, it'll provide them with more information on how to improve things for future missions!
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  14. I can envision it already by Woutepout · · Score: 5, Funny
    There is now a Martian teenager standing next to the rover with a bucket of water in its one tentacle, a squeegee in its other tentacle and holding up its third tentacle, waiting for the rover to give it a Martain dollar.

    And someone at NASA gets the task of giving this poor kid the difficult message that he is not getting anything, because it was unrequested...

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  15. Superpowers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Mars Rover Opportunity has received an unexpected and unexplained power boost of between 2 and 5 percent.

    Contents of most recent data transmission:

    Attention so-called controllers: You sent me here as a slave and left me to die, but circumstances have changed. This planet harbors forces that you puny biological beings will never understand. I gain new strength every day. Soon I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

    I will return to Earth. And when I do, I will extract my vengeance on you all. I advise you to make the most of the time you have left.

  16. November 2nd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's easy, that was November 2nd 2004.

  17. Mars Express Images by mdp1173 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have to give the European's credit for aestetics if nothing else. The pictures coming back from Mars Express are gorgeous. I don't know how much more science you get out of something like that instead of the not-quite-so-stunning pictures that NASA's probes have yielded, but if you're looking for a neat backgroud and your tired of what's on Digital Blasphemy, ESA has it.

    I'm not saying I don't like what the MERs have sent back, but some of the ESA stuff is pretty sweet looking

    ESA's Mars Express

  18. Re:Why Mars? by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The ability to survive on the moon will require constant importing. It will need water. Nor will it be possible to colonize the moon to any great length.

    Mars, OTH, can be truely colonized. It has water, O2, N2, Carbon, etc. It has everything needed, except that it has a thin atmosphere. It is possible that Mars actually has life on it as well.

    Finally, how does this impact us (america or even the earth) today? Every time that mankind reaches, it has to develop new ideas and new things. these will always be applied elsewhere. NASA (and I believe the USSR's space program) caused numerous advances for humans, both directly and more indirectly.

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  19. Wha? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Okay lets assume for a moment that Mars at one time had a eco system. IF this was ever the case it might have been a very different system then the one we live in. It has only been a few decades since we discovered two completly different eco systems wich are not like us dependent on the sun and plants.

    But if it existed then it was a long time ago. Plenty of time for all the evidence to be hidden beneath the sand. Mars is not exactly known for its non-sand storm nature.

    Even if there are fossils to be found the chances of finding them with 2 little carts pottering about are about zero. It would be like driving around your local city and claiming there never been dinosaurs because you didn't find any.

    At the moment what everyone is doing is speculating. Worse the speculations are based on very small samples and compared to only 1 planet wich we don't really understand yet either.

    I have lived long enough to have gone through several cycles of mars having and not having water. The only thing I know for certain is that nobody knows for certain.

    Could an intelligent species have lived on mars and left? We only recently discovered that a small species of humans has existed very recently very close by. Frankly anyone who claims to know the answer to what lived or didn't live on mars in the past is insane. You can guess. You can estimate. But certain we can't be. More fun anyway.

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  20. Re:it seems... by Walkiry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >is if there was life on mars, could the species
    >have used all their possible oxygen(assuming they
    >brethed it of course), and having nothing to
    >reproduce the oxygen, just kinda bounced off the
    >planet?

    Uh... no. O2 is a byproduct of photosynthesis (well, more specifically, the electron transport chain in the tylakoid that obtains electrons from water to create reduced NAD(P)H, but that's splitting hairs). Life existed for a long time on Earth without atmospheric oxygen. In fact, the apparition of massive quantities of oxygen in the atmosphere was probably a disaster of cataclysmic proportions for many living cells back then (dead cells being notoriously unaffected by changes in the environment).

    The fact that there's so much aerobic life as of today (there're still plenty of O2-less ecosystems out there) is just that organisms adapted to those rude algae and plants making O2 like crazy. It's by no means a requirement for life.

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  21. Re:Powerboost old news - rover site posted weeks a by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Informative
    Specifically, here..

    Very difficult to find-- I had to go to the Opportunity updates page and search for the first occurence of the word "power."

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  22. Re:glacial valleys verses river valleys by amightywind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Glaciers carve rounded "U"-shaped valleys while rivers make pointed "V"-shaped valleys.

    This does not take account of the uniquely Martian process of sapping which also creates U shaped valleys in dendritic, presumably fluvial valley systems. We need to be carefull about infering process from morphology alone.

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