Andreas writes "Apple users could be glad to know that YellowDog Linux 4.0 is shipping. As always, Terrasoft, YDL producer, is selling PowerMacs with YDL pre-installed. Soon we could see ISOs available for free downloads, as in the past."
this is not a troll.
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Anonymous Coward
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has anyone looked at Ubuntu and compared it to YDL? I'm wondering what the differences are.
Thats great
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Anonymous Coward
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Its great to see that they are almost in sync with FC2. It won't be available for download for at least two weeks. FC3 will be available for download in one week. Its great to see that PPC users will be behind before they even have to chance to catch up.
- thanks from a disgruntled YDL user
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism
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It is kinda neat, booting into linux and launching OSX on maconlinux. But it wears off when you want to play a game.
I'm the other way around now, since I need to run applications, I stopped running linux, I just use cygwin. And under OSX I run darwinports/fink. Not always perfect, but sure beats rebooting into another OS or running a vmware window. I use to be hardcore linux, but with OS's and gnu native (or near native), I dont see the need to boot into Linux. If I could just replace AQUA with icewm, I'd be in heaven.
Also, now a Little off topic, but the one game everyone seems to be getting back into works on linux(x86),osx and xp. Warcraft Frozen Thorn. I guess since most major OS's can play it, no excuse for someone not being able to play it.
This might sound negative
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Anonymous Coward
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but I don't ever see it addressed on other mac sites. Anyone notice that YDL is rather sluggish?. I find using just about any gui option in it is noticeably slower than on any of the other PPC distros (that's comparing it to the ones I've used, SuSE, Mandrake, Gentoo and Debian). It's frustrating as it's otherwise very well put together in comparison, but the speed really makes a difference and I haven't been able to find just where it's losing snappiness.
The Passion of the Converted.
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saintlupus
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Speaking as a former YDL user, I would recommend that everyone interested in Linux on PPC check out Debian as well. I've found it to be a lot more upgradeable, as well as a lot more stable than YDL ever was for me.
(Both of them, of course, are light years ahead of LinuxPPC, may it rest in peace. Yikes, that one was bad.)
--saint
Re:The Passion of the Converted.
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QuantumSpritz
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Gentoo is nice on the PPC - as almost everything is compiled from source anyway, it means that the lack of PPC binaries almost becomes moot. Also, it's a lot faster to incorporate bleeding-edge hardware support. And the forums are nice.
I use it, if you couldn't tell.
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism
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NitsujTPU
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What about Aqua makes you want to replace it with icewm?
I use Linux as my primary OS, but everyone seems to go to Mac because they like Aqua, not to mention the millions of Aqua knock-off themes available for almost every window manager.
I wonder...
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catmistake
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What is Terrasoft doing with the installation disks and licences of the free (with the hardware) and vastly superior operating system (aka OS X 10.3 aka Panther) if they are selling PowerMacs with YDL?
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism
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BrookHarty
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What about Aqua makes you want to replace it with icewm?
Basically, I've been using computers for over 20 years, and Apples gui is just different enough, if I dont pay attention it gets me. It doesnt do what I want, key combos, pulldown menus, window orders, cut/paste, just enough to be a little different.
KDE/Gnome/IceWM/*step and Windows are about same on key combos. IceWM is my preferred as I can configure it, and I like the low profile task bar. Icon with text. I dont have to move my mouse over the aqua bar over each icon to figure out which one I want.
I want things to be visual and quick to choose. If I have to slow down or have think about how things work, its annoying. Reflex for using the same key combos for years, change is good, but too much change and you have to re-learn your normal work pattern.
It would be different if I was only using 1 OS at a time, I want things to be a little more standard. One of the reasons I use KDE applications so much under OSX. Konsole is great for a tabbed term program. Now if I could get a Tabbed Putty for XP.
If I had to say the perfect desktop for getting work done, is IceWM with konsole tabbed terms and tabbed mozilla. Quick, fast, and I can dont have to hunt for which terminal window to work on. And a program bar(dock/etc) that doesnt take up much room is exactly what I need.
I wont go into visual, OSX is by far the most nice looking GUI, just not my perfect choice, but then, my list of windows annoyances is large also. (Number 1 with a bullet is Pop up windows while in the middle of typing...)
An honest question.
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nege
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Please dont flame me for this: but why would an OS X user want to install a linux distro? OS X already has a UNIX base, and will run almost any linux app anyway. You can even run X windows...so why do we want linux on OS X again?
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism
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crackshoe
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on my 700 mhz g3 ibook, i was looking into using icewm instead, simply because aqua sucks memory and proc cycles like a... well, it certainly pulls a golfball through a garden hose. instead, i started using yellowdog, with moderate success.
-- Don't worry - its just stigmata. Pass me a napkin and don't you dare tell my mother.
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism
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saintlupus
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What about Aqua makes you want to replace it with icewm?
Keyboard shortcuts. I can't speak for anyone else, but one of the main reasons that I run Linux on my old Powerbook instead of OS X is that I hate using a trackpad, and I prefer to use keyboard shortcuts for as much as possible. Windowmaker is a hell of a lot more amenable to being used that way.
(That and the fact that my Powerbook is a G3/400 -- probably just on the hairy edge of usability for OS X, but nice and quick with Debian.)
--saint
Firewire booting anyone?
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CODiNE
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During the YDL 3.0 days I was in touch with their support people, who personally told me that firewire booting would be fully supported in YDL 4.0
Can anyone verify that this has been completed?
Of course I mean without partitioning the internal disk and setting up some funky bootloader... the ability to plug it in and boot externally from any ole Mac. If it does that I would be willing to pay for it, otherwise... no can do.
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has anyone looked at Ubuntu and compared it to YDL? I'm wondering what the differences are.
Its great to see that they are almost in sync with FC2. It won't be available for download for at least two weeks. FC3 will be available for download in one week. Its great to see that PPC users will be behind before they even have to chance to catch up.
- thanks from a disgruntled YDL user
It is kinda neat, booting into linux and launching OSX on maconlinux. But it wears off when you want to play a game.
I'm the other way around now, since I need to run applications, I stopped running linux, I just use cygwin. And under OSX I run darwinports/fink. Not always perfect, but sure beats rebooting into another OS or running a vmware window. I use to be hardcore linux, but with OS's and gnu native (or near native), I dont see the need to boot into Linux. If I could just replace AQUA with icewm, I'd be in heaven.
Also, now a Little off topic, but the one game everyone seems to be getting back into works on linux(x86),osx and xp. Warcraft Frozen Thorn. I guess since most major OS's can play it, no excuse for someone not being able to play it.
but I don't ever see it addressed on other mac sites. Anyone notice that YDL is rather sluggish?. I find using just about any gui option in it is noticeably slower than on any of the other PPC distros (that's comparing it to the ones I've used, SuSE, Mandrake, Gentoo and Debian). It's frustrating as it's otherwise very well put together in comparison, but the speed really makes a difference and I haven't been able to find just where it's losing snappiness.
Speaking as a former YDL user, I would recommend that everyone interested in Linux on PPC check out Debian as well. I've found it to be a lot more upgradeable, as well as a lot more stable than YDL ever was for me.
(Both of them, of course, are light years ahead of LinuxPPC, may it rest in peace. Yikes, that one was bad.)
--saint
What about Aqua makes you want to replace it with icewm?
I use Linux as my primary OS, but everyone seems to go to Mac because they like Aqua, not to mention the millions of Aqua knock-off themes available for almost every window manager.
What is Terrasoft doing with the installation disks and licences of the free (with the hardware) and vastly superior operating system (aka OS X 10.3 aka Panther) if they are selling PowerMacs with YDL?
The Admin and the Engineer
What about Aqua makes you want to replace it with icewm?
Basically, I've been using computers for over 20 years, and Apples gui is just different enough, if I dont pay attention it gets me. It doesnt do what I want, key combos, pulldown menus, window orders, cut/paste, just enough to be a little different.
KDE/Gnome/IceWM/*step and Windows are about same on key combos. IceWM is my preferred as I can configure it, and I like the low profile task bar. Icon with text. I dont have to move my mouse over the aqua bar over each icon to figure out which one I want.
I want things to be visual and quick to choose. If I have to slow down or have think about how things work, its annoying. Reflex for using the same key combos for years, change is good, but too much change and you have to re-learn your normal work pattern.
It would be different if I was only using 1 OS at a time, I want things to be a little more standard. One of the reasons I use KDE applications so much under OSX. Konsole is great for a tabbed term program. Now if I could get a Tabbed Putty for XP.
If I had to say the perfect desktop for getting work done, is IceWM with konsole tabbed terms and tabbed mozilla. Quick, fast, and I can dont have to hunt for which terminal window to work on. And a program bar(dock/etc) that doesnt take up much room is exactly what I need.
I wont go into visual, OSX is by far the most nice looking GUI, just not my perfect choice, but then, my list of windows annoyances is large also. (Number 1 with a bullet is Pop up windows while in the middle of typing...)
Please dont flame me for this: but why would an OS X user want to install a linux distro? OS X already has a UNIX base, and will run almost any linux app anyway. You can even run X windows...so why do we want linux on OS X again?
on my 700 mhz g3 ibook, i was looking into using icewm instead, simply because aqua sucks memory and proc cycles like a... well, it certainly pulls a golfball through a garden hose. instead, i started using yellowdog, with moderate success.
Don't worry - its just stigmata. Pass me a napkin and don't you dare tell my mother.
What about Aqua makes you want to replace it with icewm?
Keyboard shortcuts. I can't speak for anyone else, but one of the main reasons that I run Linux on my old Powerbook instead of OS X is that I hate using a trackpad, and I prefer to use keyboard shortcuts for as much as possible. Windowmaker is a hell of a lot more amenable to being used that way.
(That and the fact that my Powerbook is a G3/400 -- probably just on the hairy edge of usability for OS X, but nice and quick with Debian.)
--saint
During the YDL 3.0 days I was in touch with their support people, who personally told me that firewire booting would be fully supported in YDL 4.0
Can anyone verify that this has been completed?
Of course I mean without partitioning the internal disk and setting up some funky bootloader... the ability to plug it in and boot externally from any ole Mac. If it does that I would be willing to pay for it, otherwise... no can do.
-Don.
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