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U.S. Continues Opposition to Kyoto Environmental Treaty
fenris_23 writes "The AP is reporting
that President Bush has reiterated his opposition to the Kyoto Treaty despite President Putin's acceptance of the treaty and recent scientific evidence directly linking greenhouse emissions to arctic warming. 'President Bush strongly opposes any treaty or policy that would cause the loss of a single American job, let alone the nearly 5 million jobs Kyoto would have cost,' said James Connaughton, chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality."
Well I guess that about says it. Either you're against polution or against jobs. Take your pick.
I agree that the "against pollution or against jobs" dichotomy is screwed up.
But then, so is the "for Kyoto or for pollution" dichotomy.
The Kyoto treaty DOES NOTHING to reduce green house gas emissions. Kyoto is a payoff to third-world dictators disguised as "environmental policy".
What is says is "if you're a third world country you can produce as much green house gasses as you want, if you're an industrialized nation you have to pay third world countries for the right to produce green house gasses."
What would the net result be? Let's build more factories in Brazil so we can further destroy the Amazon jungle. Better yet, let's take money out of the US economy where people work hard to create value for the world and give it to some third-world dictator. Good idea.
Now, I realize that you'll tear apart my argument because "George Bush is evil" and "the US economy doesn't create any value to the world." Obviously those aren't valid arguments any way you slice it. First, George Bush has nothing to do with Kyoto being a bad idea. He's also hardly the only person in the US that opposes it. Also, if you don't think the US economy does anything good for the world, you have a very limited viewpoint. We aren't saints, but we're hardly devils.
This "insightful" comment just about sums up slashbot liberalism in a nutshell. Let's do something even if it really accomplishes nothing because it'll make us feel better! Yay!
What are you, dumb or trolling?
How do you figure that both the United States and Europe are in your backyard but China isn't?
Does Western air pollution magically drift across borders while Indian and Chinese pollutions doesn't?
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Actually it only has to be ratified by the Senate. The House doesn't get a say in it, so only half of Congress weighs in.
/.'ers knee-jerk reactions are from a lack of understanding concerning Kyoto. This treaty isn't about cleaning up the environment, it's about holding back America so the rest of the world can catch up economically. The environment is the reason used for this.
I say bravo to Bush on this one though. All the liberal
Slackware, what else when it must be secure, stable, and easy?
everyone on the planet will die? dude, get a sense of perspective. how many people are dying right now due to air pollution compared to how many people are dying right now from heart attacks?
I'd settle for him destroying just one job. His own.
I'm sorry, I seem to have missed the story where we were told Bush wasn't President any more.
India and China produce other waste in monumental amounts.Their industry isnt as efficient as ours.
There must be industry.Without industry,no jobs.
But thats o.k.,liberal democrats will put us all on welfare as work migrates elsewhere.But thats fair because then India and China will have more jobs and prosperity because we have less.Gawd,gimme that Kyoto agreement,where do I sign?I can reduce myself to poverty so some dumb hippies kids can feel better about the world being cleaner but poorer here as it gets dirtier and richer elsewhere.Kids it doesnt matter what part of the car you fart in,it all winds up shared.we might as well screw off kyoto and the businessmen pretending to be environmentalists,keep the jobs and money because who f**king cares what the rest of the world thinks? Let them attune their governments to the people so they can prosper and quit showing them to leech off the prosperity of the U.S.
Welfare needs to be over with on a global scale.
Why work if you don't have to; is a global sentiment.
We don't buy this sky is falling environmental bullshit anymore.Move research on to something useful.
Quit waking me up,youre making me grumpy.
*Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
I have already considered and rejected (as less important than our economy) what you think, but I do have some empathy/sympathy for someone who expressed his view and gets heaped on by slavering masses of people who don't understand basic economics and the impact to America. More portentiously, many here WANT us to go to hell by having to pay Russia and various Third World countries 'national welfare' for the 'privelege' of having a functioning economy.
In terms of defense, I refer to the foreigners here. If they consider the US an unfortunate partner, let it be known that many of us will shed no tears if they abandon any pretense of alliance with the US. George Washington had much good to say about avoiding permanent alliances and it turns out he was right. Without being artificially being joined at the hip from such countries as France and Germany by the Atlantic Treaty, the United States would be able to take a far more honest appraisal of the actual nature of our relationship with so-called 'allies' who seem to work with every ounce of their being to weaken the United States worldwide. I don't blame them - it's in their geopolitical interest. I do blame people in the US for being unpatriotic for supporting the undermining of their own nation.
In terms of being in the minority - this web site is just a pimple on the ass of society. We won the election. I am in the majority.
In terms of avoiding negative moderation, I couldn't care less, i'll just whore it back and get back to work puncturing the disingenuous nature of the Left. The blather on this place is entertaining as all hell, and the freepers aren't anywhere near as wacko as the shit that gets spewed here.
As if Kyoto would ever get approved - in case you didn't notice, Clinton never sent it to the Senate because he knew it would be shot down. It will be shot down if Bush ever decided to, also. It's bad for America, and that's all we need to know.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Yes, those. Perhaps they will be mounted on missiles like the French or Chinese ones (very modern) found in Iraq after the invasion.
Best to worry, the portion of chemical weapons in Syria and Lebanon is getting very close to Europe.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Yeah and how do you explain Kyoto's 99-0 defeat in the US Senate? Oh it's Bush huh? That's why Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle, John Edwards, John Kerry etc. all voted against it? Riiiight. It's all Bush.
Enough with Partisan Politics They're all against us.