Re:There we go again...
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selderrr
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· Score: 2, Insightful
now that I read my own post, I'm really scratching my head... What is a content management system actually for ? I mean, all content needs to be "managed" i none way or the other. Slashdot itself is managed content (supposedly content, and supposedly managed at least)... Even the simplest HTML page is managed content since tags were inserted.
Honestly, can someone explain when one needs a framework like zope ? I have done some DB-based websites, but always felt like learning a complete framework was
a) requiring more time than writing 3 pages PHP from scratch (or copying code from previous projects)
b) a serious server overhead
c) often introducing inconsistencies due to my limited abilities in learning the entire framework
i wish someone could point me to a clear document that explains when to use stuff like zope, webobjects, websphere,...
From the "Related Links" section, actual link titles:
Best deals: The Internet Yee-haw, I'm gonna buy me this "Innernet" thing fer real cheap!
Best deals: Announcements For when you need a cheap talking head to run your press conferences?
Best deals: Developers Because we all know Slashdot is doing its best to put all the programmers whose jobs have been outsourced to India back to work. Or is Slashdot now working to find those companies better deals than their American developer staffs...? The mind boggles.
Slashdot ought to re-title the "Related Links" section to "text-based ads that might be marginally related to the topic, but we doubt it."
It's what hyperlinks are for. If there weren't any, maybe you'd have a point.
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Rocket science is easy. Neurosurgery, now *that's* difficult.
Re:And for the uninformed...
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the+pickle
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· Score: 2, Insightful
The point, o troll, is that the stories ought to have information like this in the summary. If I don't know what [cool new product] is, I have to, as an AC so eruditely explained, visit the site and waste their bandwidth to find out. Aside from this practical point, it's just bad journalism -- not that anyone would ever accuse Slashdot of practising "real journalism" -- not to at least say what the heck a story subject *does* or *is*...
Whether I know what it is is irrelevant. If it isn't common knowledge, FUCKING EXPLAIN IT. Two extra lines isn't going to kill anyone.
Re:PHP Alternative
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nomadic
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Zope is a Python framework.
If you ever want to clarify a term, don't use the word "framework".
Re:PHP Alternative
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scotty
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· Score: 1, Insightful
PHP itself is an alternative to Zope, not Drupal. As you have stated it is a web application development framework in a specific language (Python), and things like Plone is only a "product" built on top of Zope, just like Drupal is built on top of PHP.
Re:There we go again...
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madprof
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· Score: 2, Insightful
Depends entirely on circumstance but I'd always prefer to use something like HTML::Mason with mod_perl (damn me and my frameworks) as it does certain things really nicely, like caching and allowing easy templating. The "training of employees" things only applies to companies where they have not hired peopel with specific skills. Even then Zope is not that hard to learn, although the documentation is the worst I have ever encountered for such a serious project.
now that I read my own post, I'm really scratching my head... What is a content management system actually for ? I mean, all content needs to be "managed" i none way or the other. Slashdot itself is managed content (supposedly content, and supposedly managed at least)... Even the simplest HTML page is managed content since tags were inserted.
...
Honestly, can someone explain when one needs a framework like zope ? I have done some DB-based websites, but always felt like learning a complete framework was
a) requiring more time than writing 3 pages PHP from scratch (or copying code from previous projects)
b) a serious server overhead
c) often introducing inconsistencies due to my limited abilities in learning the entire framework
i wish someone could point me to a clear document that explains when to use stuff like zope, webobjects, websphere,
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
From the "Related Links" section, actual link titles:
Best deals: The Internet Yee-haw, I'm gonna buy me this "Innernet" thing fer real cheap!
Best deals: Announcements For when you need a cheap talking head to run your press conferences?
Best deals: Developers Because we all know Slashdot is doing its best to put all the programmers whose jobs have been outsourced to India back to work. Or is Slashdot now working to find those companies better deals than their American developer staffs...? The mind boggles.
Slashdot ought to re-title the "Related Links" section to "text-based ads that might be marginally related to the topic, but we doubt it."
p
In Korea, long hair is for old people!
It's what hyperlinks are for. If there weren't any, maybe you'd have a point.
Rocket science is easy. Neurosurgery, now *that's* difficult.
The point, o troll, is that the stories ought to have information like this in the summary. If I don't know what [cool new product] is, I have to, as an AC so eruditely explained, visit the site and waste their bandwidth to find out. Aside from this practical point, it's just bad journalism -- not that anyone would ever accuse Slashdot of practising "real journalism" -- not to at least say what the heck a story subject *does* or *is*...
Whether I know what it is is irrelevant. If it isn't common knowledge, FUCKING EXPLAIN IT. Two extra lines isn't going to kill anyone.
p
In Korea, long hair is for old people!
Zope is a Python framework.
If you ever want to clarify a term, don't use the word "framework".
PHP itself is an alternative to Zope, not Drupal. As you have stated it is a web application development framework in a specific language (Python), and things like Plone is only a "product" built on top of Zope, just like Drupal is built on top of PHP.
Depends entirely on circumstance but I'd always prefer to use something like HTML::Mason with mod_perl (damn me and my frameworks) as it does certain things really nicely, like caching and allowing easy templating.
The "training of employees" things only applies to companies where they have not hired peopel with specific skills.
Even then Zope is not that hard to learn, although the documentation is the worst I have ever encountered for such a serious project.