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US Ready to put Weapons in Space

An anonymous reader writes "The Guardian reports "America has begun preparing its next military objective - space. Documents reveal that the US Air Force has for the first time adopted a doctrine to establish 'space superiority'." If this goes ahead, it will be in violation of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty which forbids the militarization of space."

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  1. No Violations Here by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd like to point out that space superiority does not necessarily mean the militarization of space. Already, the presence and testing of ICBMs skirts the issue, and so, too would many other technologies.

    That's not that I agree that this should be a direction we want to go, I'm just pointing out that the treaty isn't worth much. To me the millitary objective of space is right in line with the "Star Wars" ideas.

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    1. Re:No Violations Here by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hmm- would my favortie space based weapon- guided 2-meter crowbars as a Weapon of Minimal Distruction- be legal then because it's specifically designed only for assasination inside of reinforced concrete bunkers?

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  2. Military Welfare... by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    ... and destroying what satellites would have helped in the "War Against Terror" or the invasion of Iraq?

    This is another example of the military trickle-down economy. Pump billions into defense, justify it with fear ("The enemy is everywhere"), then some of that cash will flow down to the national economy.

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  3. Oh, we've violating at treaty! Heavens! by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Oh, it's in violation of a treaty? I'm sure the Bush Administration will back off immediately once they find that out given their consistant respect for international law and unwavering dedication to peace in our time.

    Seriously, though: Space was never any different than all the other areas that man has adapted to -- sooner or later it was always going to be used to fight wars. That shouldn't be vaguely shocking to anyone. People settle their disputes by killing each other (or, more accurately, sending 18 year olds as proxies to kill each other).

    Peace doesn't come from treaties. It comes from the realization that war itself is almost never worth fighting.

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    1. Re:Oh, we've violating at treaty! Heavens! by eclectic4 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Oh, it's in violation of a treaty? I'm sure the Bush Administration will back off immediately once they find that out given their consistant respect for international law and unwavering dedication to peace in our time."

      No kidding. Let's see...

      Treaties revoked by George W. Bush.

      The biodiversity Treaty

      The Geneva Conventions

      The Forest Protection Treaty

      The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty

      The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty

      1972 Anti-Ballistic Missle Treaty

      The 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention

      The 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination agains Women

      The UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

      The Chemical Weapons Convention

      The International Criminal Court (Nicaragua anyone?)

      We rule by force, and screw anyone who tries to tell us differenet. It's the new American paradigm, and it's beyond ludicrous. PreVENTIVE war, screw treaties and international law, screw any moral high ground we may have had in the past. Welcome to our nightmare...

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    2. Re:Oh, we've violating at treaty! Heavens! by T.Hobbes · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Peace doesn't come from treaties. It comes from the realization that war itself is almost never worth fighting.

      It works the other way as well: treaties often come from the realization (usually after a horrible war) that war itself is not worth fighting. The problem is that we forget the lessons of past wars, and the consensus that made the treaty possible dissapears. And another generation gives war a try.

    3. Re:Oh, we've violating at treaty! Heavens! by Proteus · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I wish that the Terrorists believed that war wasn't worth fighting. I also wish that they didn't believe that killing innocents was the best way to further their cause.
      I wish the US hadn't done such stupid things to get people so angry at us that they feel their only recourse is to blow up buildings. Do you honestly believe the US never kills "innocents"? Do you buy the whole "War on Terror" rhetoric, as if we can wage war on a word?

      Counterterrorism efforts are certainly worthwhile, but to imagine that our best response to terrorist attacks was to launch a $6.7 billion a month war in a country that had nothing to do with any terrorist attacks is insanity. I'd rather have seen such funds thrown at rebuilding the WTC towers as an illustration that the terror tactics didn't work.

      You do realize that by having a fearful -- nay, terrified -- reaction to these kinds of attacks, we are contributing to their success?
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  4. meteor defense by ericdano · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd really like to see a meteor defense started. That is the single most likely thing that could wipe out the whole planet. And lately, we've had a lot of close calls......

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    1. Re:meteor defense by Erwos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'll bite.

      Basically, they have nothing in common except shooting something upwards. ICBMs are on a parabola path - that is to say, they start on Earth, arch, and then come right back down. It is a very, very quick process - a full-blown nuclear war need only take half an hour.

      The targets are very small (relative to an Earth-killing celestial object), intentionally spoofing your radar, and very, very close to the target (again, relatively). The good news is, they're packed with explosives, and since they're so close, a laser defense system could at least conceivably work. The Israelis supposedly have something working that could handle tasks somewhat like this (Arrow II?).

      Compare this to a meteor. Meteors (that we would worry about) are very large compared to an ICBM. They're moving really fast, yes, but with an active detection system, we would probably have a couple years of notice. What's _best_ is that the meteor would be moving on a relatively stable and straight path, and we only need to deflect it - if we knock it off course a year out, it's a non-problem. Blowing the thing to meteor bits is overkill.

      This is not quite as easy as it sounds, but I think it's doable with today's technology.

      So, really, they are two separate problems. ICBM defense requires a highly accurate system that can engage many, many small targets at close range. Meteor defense requires a system which can engage a single, huge target at massive distances.

      I knew that "Collisions in Space" course would be handy someday.

      -Erwos

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  5. Uh... guys... by boomgopher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There has been this thing called "Space Command" in the Air Force for a long time now. There has even been talk of branching the space forces from the Air Force for a long while - like over ten years or so?

    I call alarmist BS, nothing new here.

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  6. This is dangerous by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Space-based assets are simultaneously very valuable and very vulnerable. In a tense international standoff (Cuban Missile Crisis style) they inject a strong "use it or lose it" incentive to go for a first strike. On balance, this is probably not a plus.

  7. Ohh Goodie by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who needs good public schools or child healthcare... we're go'na have mother f***'n space lasers!

    Now, if anyone tries to have a gay marriage, they'll be fired upon from the United Defense death star orbiting above.

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  8. Re:Ah yes, the Guardian by boringgit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Guardian is certainly a biased paper. Give it credit though, it doesn't hide it. I don't like it, or read it, but I do respect the quality of writing.

    In truth though, is attempting to influence the result of an election in another country wrong? If the Washington Post was to print a series of anti Blair articles in the run up to the UK elections, would that be wrong? I can't see how...

    Assasination - fair enough - stupid thing to print - shoddy editorial staff for not picking it up before it went to press.

  9. Re:Ah yes, the Guardian by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 5, Insightful
    China isn't getting into space to study science.
    Bullshit.

    I think the whole "if someone tries to advance it's economy / technology / society it's a danger to us"-thinking pretty dangerious and provoking which you imply relating to the subject. In that line of thinking, the world has the right to assume the US has as only motivation world-domination and should be controlled and sumitted - or it should be globally accepted and enforced to do so.

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  10. Re:Ah yes, the Guardian by johnalex · · Score: 5, Funny

    You weren't ignored. They voted for Bush.

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  11. Re:Dear USA and/or the Administration, by Ironsides · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RTFA. The treaty outlaws Nuclear weapons and WMDs. So long as anything we put up there does not fall under either of those two categories we are still within the treaty. By the way, since the USSR is the only other signatory of that treaty, and they are no longer around, does that mean it is still valid?

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  12. Re:Ah yes, the Guardian by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 5, Funny
    I included my adress to them, but no answer. I guess I was ignored. Oh well.

    Perhaps you shouldn't have used this paragraph as your introduction:

    I REPRESENT MOHAMMED ABACHA, SON OF THE LATE GEN. SANI ABACHA, WHOWAS THE FORMER MILITARY HEAD OF STATE IN NIGERIA. HE DIED IN 1998. SINCEHIS DEATH, THE FAMILY HAS BEEN LOOSING A LOT OF MONEY DUE TO VINDICTIVEGOVERNMENT OFFICIALS


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  13. Look, we have to militarize space damnit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If we don't militarily dominate space, how will we be able to ensure our right to force global warming on the rest of the planet?!
    This is a must. We need nukes up there like yesterday. I shit you not my fellow christian white Americans. This is a matter of supreme national security.

  14. Re:Ah yes, the Guardian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why? It makes more sense than invading another country in order to change their leadership.

  15. Re:Ah yes, the Guardian by Olix · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think it would be cool if Britian became leader of the world again. England was really good when we had an empire, and now we have a little weedy country. So what we (UK) need to is reclaim all our colonies, The America's included, retake Europe, bring Queen Victoria back to life, conquer China (We need the tea) and use the sum of the worlds technology to lead it into a new era of space exploration... Hell, we could even shove all the criminals on some barren planet like mars, just like the good old days...

  16. Re:Ah yes, the Guardian by greenhide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most corporate FUD is actually lies and smokescreen, intended to promote the other corporation. Most people who talk about the government in a less-than-flattering way do so because there is copious evidence that the current government is not trustworthy, does not have the interest of its people at heart, is in bed with corporate and militaristic interests, and would like nothing more than to rape our natural resources and leave the wilderness ravaged.

    Now, what does someone like, say, me, gain or benefit when I talk about how bad the current administration is? Do I do so because I want political power, because I want to be president? Because I want to have the free world at my beck and call. Well, maybe. But be that as it may, the real reason is because unlike Bush, I believe in the existence of a little thing called the Future. And the future won't exist without reasoned and careful behavior. Currently, the administration is pretty reckless, I'd say, stretching resources thin, going deep into debt while trying to permanently reduce future revenues.

    These don't seem like reasonable steps to me.

    Any corporation that did the things that the government has been doing for the past four years would have been tossed on its collective ass by its investors a few years ago. And who are the investors in this metaphor? Well, they're, uh, us, the voters/taxpayers. Only this year, a lot of people decided that it was more important to pay attention to the PR department than what was happening with the financials, and more interested in the CEO's personality than in the overall company's statement of purpose.

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