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The Real da Vinci Code

r.jimenezz writes "This month's Wired magazine has a fascinating article about an American roboticist and an Italian scholar who apparently have demonstrated that one of Leonardo's creations, a three-wheeled cart, is actually a 'physically programmable robot'. Very interesting reading."

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  1. Everything but the internet by Big+Nothing · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Leonardo is the Hamlet of art history," says art historian Kenneth Clark, "whom each of us must re-create for ourself." Da Vinci has been credited with inventing just about everything but the Internet."

    It's a shame that we had to wait until Al Gore came along for that one.

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    1. Re:Everything but the internet by strider44 · · Score: 4, Informative

      lol, though it's like taking candy from a baby, I hate to break it to you but he did never actually say that (for both 64k and 640k, which is the actual hoax statement), at least according to Wired News.

    2. Re:Everything but the internet by quigonn · · Score: 4, Informative

      The original quote is (cited from my memory, but I've heard the sound file about a million times): "during my service for the United Status Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet"

      Another memorable quote from him is "I'm not an expert on computers".

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  2. Hmmm by pmc255 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't that make the robot program the first computer program in history?

    1. Re:Hmmm by frugle · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Doesn't that make the robot program the first computer program in history?

      Perhaps if it were a computer. I suppose that depends on the definitions you give to "computer", "input", "calculate" and "output".

      There are so many definitions of computer from the simple "Machine that processes information" to the more indepth "An electronic device with the ability to (1) accept user-supplied data, (2) input, store, and execute programmed instructions, (3) perform mathematical and logic operations, and (4) output results according to user specifications."

      What does a machine have to be able to do before it can be called a computer?

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    2. Re:Hmmm by segmond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope! It as much a computer program as clocks are!

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  3. they also found out that robot name was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bender!!

    1. Re:they also found out that robot name was... by mog007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think "Bite my shiny metal ass" would roll off the tounge so easily in Italian.

  4. Patent!! by slarshdot · · Score: 4, Funny

    All your technology are belong to Leo.

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  5. Re:Slashdotted already by MavEtJu · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's the text, I can't see this site holding up much longer.

    Yeah right. Wired is better at this than the average cable modem ISP.

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  6. I thought the first programmer is by oddmake · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...Ada Lovelace.
    Now,the honor of the first programmer seems to be da Vincci's.

    1. Re:I thought the first programmer is by Serious+Simon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Electrical? If Ada Lovelace programmed anything, it would have been Charles Babbage's Analytical Machine, which was fully mechanical.

    2. Re:I thought the first programmer is by Singletoned · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Well, it'd still go to Ada for the first electrical programing. da Vincci just did it in mechanicly."

      Babbage's analytical engine was entirely mechanical, and was designed well before the invention of any device providing a consistant flow of electrical energy. However it was never actually built until a hundred years after his death, as engireeing wasn't of a high enough standard in those days to build the parts he required.

      Ada Lovelace described the methods for programming the analytical engine and wrote a program for it (ie literally wrote it). da Vinci didn't actually write a program at all, he just designed a working robot.

      More on Ada Lovelace, (daughter of Lord Byron)

  7. da Vinci's flawed invention by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Da Vinci enthusiasts have reconstructed the automobile several times during the past century, but it's never worked. The device seemed destined to join the ranks of da Vinci's grandiose but flawed inventions - what one scholar called his "impossible machines."

    AFAIK, da Vinci (and other inventors of the time) placed errors and flaws in the schematics of their inventions on purpose. The idea was that if someone stole the schematics, he couldn't make it work and claim it as his own. The original inventor would know about the flaw in the schematic, and fix it accordingly.

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    1. Re:da Vinci's flawed invention by OverflowingBitBucket · · Score: 5, Funny

      AFAIK, da Vinci (and other inventors of the time) placed errors and flaws in the schematics of their inventions on purpose.

      I'm a software engineer, and I've been doing this for years. I didn't realise da Vinci also had job security issues.

  8. Old news... by DigitalBubblebath · · Score: 5, Informative


    The BBC had an article on this back in April. I think it was on TV, too.

  9. Re:Slashdotted already by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that the over-the-top writing in the first paragraph of the article was supposed to be a parody of "The Da Vinci Code" style.

  10. Re:How is this not totally pointless? by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is this not totally pointless?

    Dude, let me count the ways:

    1. Da Vinci is, like, one of the foremost intellectual figures of the Italian Renaissance, which is a pretty important period in history, especially as regards culture and technology and stuff.

    2. One of the most interesting things about the invention of the computer is not the various engineering challenges such as how to build the logic gates and stuff, but the initial idea that computation itself can be usefully reduced to a physical, deterministic process. If, back in the 15th century or whenever, there was some guy thinking along the lines of encoding machine-readable data in the for of little bits of carefully-crafted wood, then, even if the idea didn't work, the fact that he had the idea at all is pretty amazing and has all sorts of implications for the Renaissance concept of the mind, of logic, etc, etc.

    3. One of the reasons that Da Vinci's inventions are so famous is that, while they are obviously shockingly ahead of their time, no-one knows in many cases whether they were ever built, whether they worked, or even what they were for. Any progress in unravelling these mysteries is a significant step towards understanding Da Vinci himself (For the point of this, see point 1 above).

    4. It's a mediaeval-style robot. Not only is this self-evidently cool in itself, it also has major implications for Dungeons-and-Dragons-playing Slashdotters, who can now, with an arguable degree of verisimilitude, introduce clockwork robot buggies into their campaigns.

    I mean, how can you ask what is the point? What's not the point? This is Slashdot, a website for geeks. Da Vinci is the proto-geek, if not The Uber-Geek Of All Time. This is an article about how he built a clockwork robot. This should be rocking your world. If it were not for your low UID I would assume that you'd found your way on here by accident.
    Hope this answers your question

  11. Babelfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Bite my shiny metal ass"

    Translates to:

    "Morda il mio asino lucido del metallo"

    Its even funnier when I translate it back to the Queen's English:

    "It bites my ass I polish of the metal"

    This should be a game... me thinks!

    1. Re:Babelfish by saforrest · · Score: 4, Funny

      Beißen Sie meinen glänzenden Metallesel.

      The funny thing about this is that it uses the polite form of the second-person, Sie. So it's as though you said, "Please, sir, bite my shiny metal donkey".

      A better equivalent would be:

      Beiß meinen glänzenden Metallarsch!

      which Babelfish translates to

      Bite my shining metal ass!

      (Pretty good, really.)

  12. Bah ... by pherris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm much more impressed with Dr. Benjamin Franklin's invention of the jet ski.

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  13. This just adds to the confusion by Neo's+Nemesis · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The individual parts, interestingly, are not original to da Vinci - gears, cams, and the verge-and-foliot mechanism were all familiar concepts, particularly to clockmaking, the nanotech of da Vinci's day. Indeed, as the historian Otto Mayr has noted, "clocks and automata, in short, tended to be very much the same thing"; clocks, in 16th-century dictionaries, were considered just one type of automata. But the possibility is that da Vinci married two ideas and created, in essence, a clock on wheels - turning the segmenting of time into the traversing of space - well before anyone else had thought of such a thing.

    Then this leads us to believe that the whole device (robot) itself was a translation of clocks' motion to a linear one on a larger scale. If thats the case, then instead of Da Vinci, the credibility of being the first programmers should be given to the Egyptians.

  14. DaVinci invents BSOD by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, apparently every time the invention didn't work as intended, DaVinci would hide it behind a blue canvas screen so that onlookers couldn't see him working on the mechanics - hence the term "Blue Screen of DaVinci" (BSoD) came in to common use during that era for any mechanical device failure.

    In later years, a manufacturer of popular computer operating systems adapted this 'blue screen' imagery for their own use and programmed their applications to displaye a blue screen on a regular basis in honour of the famous inventor and his work on early 'computing' devices.

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  15. See Scientific American by dargaud · · Score: 4, Informative

    This machine was covered in Scientific American magazine a couple months ago.

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  16. Come on people!!! by JamesP · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone forgot the question: But does it run Linux???

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  17. Turing machines by Rufus88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'd have to be computationally equivalent to a Turing machine

    There is no physical device that is computationally equivalent to a Turing machine. A modern conventional computer is a finite state automata. The infinitely-long tape of a turing machine makes it physically unrealizable.

  18. Stupid Wired by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Funny
    Know one of the things that bugs me about the typical Wired writer? Lame attempts to inject dramatic tension in what is, really, just an informational article. Things like this:
    We sit in his office and pore over sketches of the cart on folio 812 recto of the Codex Atlanticus. I reach carefully for the espresso his wife has placed on the table, trying not to spill any on a nearby copy of the Italian mathematician Bernadino Baldi's 1589 translation of Heron of Alexandria's Automata. It is a first edition.

    Wow! I'm on the edge of my seat! Will he spill his coffee on the 400 year old book? Quick! Click the "next page" link and find out!

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  19. Leonardo Invents Everything by MonkeyCookie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone else feel like DaVinci is becoming the Nostradamus of technology?

    For every event that occurs, people point to something Nostradamus said and claimed that he predicted it. Sure, what Nostradamus actually said was very vague and can be made to fit a huge number of events, as no astrologer worth his salt would be too specific for fear of losing his job.

    It also seems that for virtually every technology that comes out, DaVinci managed to invent it a long time ago. Sometimes it's obvious, but it sometimes it seems it's all about interpretation. Sure the device in his drawings could possibly do this or could possibly do that, but is it really so or are people just wanting it to be that way? It seems to be a lot of interpretation, and I've heard so much of it, I'm starting to become rather sceptical.

    Similar to this, Christian fundamentalists love to quote Bible verses to "prove" their point. Not only do Bible verses not hold any water with me, but it seems like anyone can find Bible quotes to support virtually *any* view they have. It would surprise me if there were verses from the Bible, which interpreted in the right way, would support baby sacrifice or atheism.

    It's all about taking already existing facts or words and making them say what you want them to say.