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IT Literacy Test

crumley writes "The Educational Testing Service just announced a new test that is designed to measure information technology literacy. The test is supposed to measure the ability of students to use software to solve problems, and not just how to use particular programs. So has anyone out there taken a test like this? Did it seem to measure critical thinking and problem solving skills?"

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  1. I haven't taken anything like this... by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... but a test like this seems long overdue. I can't tell you how irritated I get when some new snotnose paper-MCSE comes strollin into my office thinking they know everything. If the test is accurate, fair, and relevant, I might consider it as part of the candidate screening process when hiring new IT workers.

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    1. Re:I haven't taken anything like this... by h8macs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow... I would much rather see less emphasis placed on weeding out paper-MCSE's and more toward weeding out folks who have NEVER used a computer. OR that do not want to know more than they 'have' to.

      I have worked in several software companies that hired people merely for common religious beliefs or because they had a degree in hand. This could be for physical therapy, perfect candidate for network administration.

      The majority of the 'tests' I have taken for jobs are a joke anyway.

      Personality tests... anyone with half a brain can skew these.
      IQ tests... ok these take a little more than half a brain... not much though.
      Troubleshooting tests... aren't these subjective? It seems this would be up to interpretation by the test giver/checker... thus not really unbiased.

      BTW, I am not an MCSE. I view certifications as merely a secondary income for corporations such as Microsoft/Cisco. Woohoo you can memorize shitake, but when the receptionist can't print to the network printer .... better replace the mouse and keyboard cause there could be an IRQ conflict!

      yeesh.... let's drop the certs already.

      Mod me down for being an antagonist, mark me as freak/foe because I don't believe in your certification that you shelled out hard earned cash for when a little knob polishing could have gotten you further (and may have). *-4 Flamebait/Troll*

      My time posting online is such a small part of my overall life. How about yours?

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    2. Re:I haven't taken anything like this... by wtrmute · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The idea of this test is fundamentally flawed. If you are good at problem solving, you will be good at problem solving in a technology-rich environment or a technology-poor environment equally. Analytical thought and problem solving has been around a lot longer than computers, and the same people that are good at solving problems with computers were good at solving problems with other things before computers.

      Funny, my grandpa is an electrical and civil engineer (class of '51), has managed some pretty large projects on his own, and served as a kind of guru to probably half the population of engineers in Rio de Janeiro in the 70's and 80's. However, he has only learned to use MS Word and Excel after extensive coaching, and even today will get stuck if something unexpected happens (like, say, a button disappears from the Excel toolbar). Computer literacy, and especially the UI concepts like what is a menu, toolbar, link, etc, what is drag-and-drop, and some most general notions of OO (in the form of plug-ins and OLE/COM/CORBA/Bonobo) go a long way in allowing people to understand how software usually works.

    3. Re:I haven't taken anything like this... by ahfoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a rather poignant observation.
      I've written practice tests for the ETS TOEFL and GRE for about ten years. This year, my publisher is withdrawing from the market for a number of reasons, but a big part of the reason is that the market for ETS products is simply shrinking with the decline of overseas students going to the US. So, when I saw this the first thing that came to mind was --ah, new revenue stream. Good luck.
      But the reason I say this "essay test" approach is so right-on-the-money is that ETS themselves in their core test markets like TOEFL and GRE is also moving towards the essay format in a big way. The GRE now requires an essay examination and the the TOEFL has gone fron zero essay question several years ago to almost half the test being essay style.
      So, I think this is a very interesting point. If ETS themselves are moving towards essay intensive exams, what kind of value are they really going to be adding to a market that is already highly saturated with tests and licensing systems galore from major software vendors.

  2. Testing... bah! by Gestahl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What a useless thing to test. If you think logically and can break problems down, anything in operating computers simply comes down to Googling, reading, and thinking logically. This is about as useless as just a plain old IQ test, SAT, or any other standardized "bubble" test in assessing future work/educational performance. In fact, I bet an IQ test would be just as effective in this situation. My guess is that it is simply knowledge based, not action based (wasn't willing to drudge through ETS's corporate "Yeah us!" language). ETS should take a hint from Cisco. Their tests are difficult and actually ("GASP!") test performance in real world situations in solving real world examples and problems using real Cisco gear.

  3. schools and computer literacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm the network admin for a school. I've been doing this for seven years and have been teaching computer classes for five. I teach the 7th grade how to do simple programming in LOGO. They learn the concepts of loops, variables, functions, etc. They learn how to take a problem, break it into parts and come up with a program to solve the problem. They also learn a bit of computer history and how to count and do simple math in binary. I believe I'm the only one doing this in my area.

    I deal with a number of people in my position in other schools. Without fail, the computer "literacy" classes in those schools is training in Microsoft Office. They're just training kids to use a particular version of a particular product from ONE company. They're not teaching them the concepts behind a modern word processor, they're training them how to click buttons in Word.

    When I started this job, I thought education was all about teaching people how to think and solve problems. I was wrong!

    I'm fortunate at this job in that I'm pretty much free to use whatever solutions get the job done. 80% of the machines here are Linux based terminals (using LTSP). I'm also fortunate that I won the old teaching concepts vs. training argument with the administration. I'm free to teach the computer literacy class however I wish.

  4. Re:16 tasks by tomhudson · · Score: 1, Interesting
    As you point out:,from the article:
    students are challenged to respond to 16 tasks over the course of the two-hour online test.

    1. boot off linux cd as root
    2. open up multiple browser tabs
    3. Get copy of each question, one per tab
    4. Open up terminal
    5. ping -f the test server
    6. Open up another terminal
    7. ping -f the test server's dns server
    8. fill in your test stuff
    9. background the process pinging the test server for a few seconds while you submit your answers
    10. foreground the process pinging the test server
    11. obligatory PROFIT step!
  5. Meta knowledge by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My techniques are rarely the "industry standard" techniques, so I often find myself on tech assessment tests choosing the answers I know the test creators think are right, even if in my experience they aren't the best or most efficient way to do things.

    But you know what the best practices are (or were at the time they became codified in a test). If you are mindful of what the standard way is, you can at least choose it when there is no reason not to do it that way.

    Also, when the time comes to make product recommendations, you can say (for example), "Well, the industry standard is that your offline backup solution media should have at least the capacity as your online storage." (I made that up.)

    People like to follow standards, but in this case if they chose a cheapo backup solution you'd have made them decide to go against the standard to do it. Never underestimate the value of C'ing Your A.

    That's not exactly what I wanted to say, but you can take it from there.

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  6. Re:LOGO? by fleck_99_99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I disagree. My college Discrete Structures course (data structures, logic, recursion, topics like that) was taught in Logo. Logo is a list-based language, and actually comes across as somewhat of a "LISP Lite" when you start using it for this stuff. After the first day of screwing around, we never used the "Turtle" part of it again -- and it was FANTASTIC for breaking the C/C++/Java mode of thinking, so we could focus on studying the algorithms and the "real" take-away knowledge.

    You can certainly break LOGO programs into manageable chunks with procedures, conditionals, and the like... You just have to make yourself comfortable with the "list" aspect of programming.

    Not a joke: I still have nightmares of writing a program to parse an arbitrary Boolean expression and print out a truth table... in Logo...

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  7. Re:LOGO? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found logo to be an excellent introduction to procedural programming after having my mind poisoned with basic. I just wish that someone had tried to teach me data structures when I was young and impressionable. That's what I really need to learn.

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  8. It's easier to test for incompetency by WayneConrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's easier to test for incompetency than for competency.

    A company I worked for got so many liars applying for jobs that we made these rediculous little tests to give people. Here's a sample question from our C test:

    Write a loop that executes its body 10 times.

    Or for electrical engineers:

    What is the equation for Ohm's law?

    I thought these tests were a waste of time. I think I said something like, "If someone is breathing they'll pass it." Then I saw how many people who claimed "expert" on their resume failed the liar's test. Weeding out the liars left us with a much smaller pool of candidates.

  9. To be fair... by raehl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People I know who score higher on ETS tests tend to be smarter than people I know who score lower on ETS tests.

    Or they cheat better.

    Or they have money to spend on preparation classes.

    Or they're white.

    Either way, the ETS tests can very actively tell admissions counselors which students are the the wealthiest white cheaters who are not totally stupid.

  10. Re:Too much testing, not enough Interviewing by m11533 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You ask: if you get 100 applicants for 10 positions, then why not use tests...?

    The answer is simply that you are making assumptions about what the test is measuring. Maybe the test is filtering out the best people for the job, not the worst? There is only one way to know, and that is to validate the metric, test, against the goal, selecting the best candidates from a larger group.

    To the best of my knowledge, no one has done this groundwork. Therefore, you can not know what applying the metric will actually accomplish. You have a hypothesis that it selects the best candidates from a larger group. But, as any researcher in the social sciences will tell you, doing the study to validate this hypothesis, and thus the metric, frequently yields surprising results.

    While it is easy to argue that people are very subjective, and that they apply criteria other than those desired, in reality these are frequently exactly the insights necessary to identify that superior individual from the crowd. There are things one can do to protect against overly subjective evaluation by people during interviews. There is a long history of experience in this area, and for the most part it is successful.

    Testing has a far shorter track record than the personal interview, and thus requires MORE care and checks rather than fewer checks. Since each test is a new metric, testing actually also requires more work to establish its validity than personal interviewing. The saddest bit is that most people not only do not perform the necessary work to validate a test's validity, they rarely even understand it's need.

  11. Re:There are other examples... by deinol · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The best problem solving test I ever took was while applying for a job as a student tech. The boss put me in front of a computer with WordPerfect running on it. He said "change the background of the entire page to another color." and watched what I did for a while.

    What made this an interesting problem was, despite being able to go to the menu and look at, I forget exactly, but Format -> Page or something, and having some options there for changing some things, background color was not an option. So if you are me you dig around on the menu a while.

    Then you finally give up and pull up the help and search. Then you find the entry that says: To change the background color, go to Format -> Page and click on the background tab. Then select a new color. You say wtf (quietly) and go back to Format -> Page. There is no background tab. You go back to the help. Yep, that's what they told you to do.

    Turns out, by default, some checkbox on the first tab of the page properties dialog disables the tab you need to get to to change the background. Some seemingly completely unrelated checkbox. I got lucky, clicked around and found it. Then changed the background color.

    Turns out, I was the only person to have ever successfully completed the task. The purpose of the test was not to see if you could solve the problem. The purpose was to give an unsolvable problem, and watch the proccess you use to try and solve it. I thought that was a much better way to test skills.

    Lucky me, I figured out the solution, which so impressed them that I was hired, despite them having already picked someone else for the job (they just hired both of us instead).

    Try it yourself, I believe it was whatever version of WordPerfect was out in '98.

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