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FCC Rules States Can't Regulate VoIP

NardofDoom writes "Ars Technica is reporting that the FCC has 'placed a regulatory shield around VoIP,' declaring it immune to state regulation, even if calls terminate on publicly switched networks (POTS). A previous ruling declared that Internet-Internet calls (i.e. Skype) can't be regulated, but the ruling opens the door for Verizon, AT&T and other local carriers to offer VoIP to customers without paying state taxes. One step closer to free phone calls, or one step closer to state regulation or taxation of IP networks?"

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  1. A double-edged sword by CMcQueeny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whilst this will allow VoIP to continue its growth, etc., it also establishes precedent for federal control of the networks. Although it is true that some industries that are now relatively free began as heavily regulated monopolies, this strikes me as a step in the wrong direction.

    1. Re:A double-edged sword by CMcQueeny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whether or not it is possible to circumvent is irrelevant... one should not be forced to break the law in order to exercise liberties.

  2. 3 cheers for sanity by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm all for this. It'll be meaningful competition finally. Though regulations exist for the leasing of infrastructure to smaller companies at reasonable rates, those are still abused. Once voice is just packets, it's a totally level playing field.

  3. what a positive by Yonkeltron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i think this is wonderful news. it looks to me like uncle sam finally sees that VOIP needs to be left alone in order for it to prospoer. look at how POTS was regulated to death and you see how important it is to keep VOIP free and clear.

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  4. Re:Fair taxation? by rcw-work · · Score: 3, Insightful
    VOIP requires that you have a high speed line - either DSL or cable

    Which you probably already pay taxes on anyway.

  5. Re:What I hate by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And you think the lowest levels are better? I have news for you buddy- the corruption on my local city council rivals that of large cities. And I've never seen more useless beauracracy and petty bickering than in school council meetings.

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  6. Bad wording by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "One step closer to free phone calls, or one step closer to state regulation or taxation of IP networks?" "

    Voip calls aren't free, someone has to pay for the networks thats running the IP traffic. Then there's a cost for your internet connection.

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    Have you ever been to a turkish prison?

  7. Re:Fair taxation? by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, rather than do Internet over the telephone for $27/line plus $20/mo, you can do telephone over the Internet for a grand total of $50/mo. Not to mention that this will increase broadband adoption, hopefully lowering prices. So this is perfectly reasonable for the less well-off, and better for everyone as a whole. The local POTS is a hegemony system anyway. It's called 'choice', and we now have it, where before you had the illusion of it.

  8. Re:Fair taxation? by bfields · · Score: 3, Insightful
    this strikes me as a pretty unfair subsidy of the technologically savvy at the expense of the less technologically competent.

    Seems like the sensible thing to do would be to tax DSL and Cable in roughly the same way that telephone lines are taxed (is that feasible?), instead of regulating VOIP over DSL and Cable like telephone lines.

    The current situation does seem a bit bizarre, though. Does this mean that all the phone company needs to do is send me a new phone and insure that, somehow or another, the phone uses IP to talk to the local station, and then suddenly a service that is (from my point of view) functionally identical is suddenly not regulated as phone service?

    --Bruce Fields

  9. Re:Fair taxation? by ValuJet · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Here is why.

    It unfairly taxes a specific kind of internet traffic. It is just data flowing over lines no differently than webbrowsing. Allowing states to set a precidence where they are allowed to tax a specific kind of internet traffic is not good for anyone. Also imagine being a VoIP company where you have to process all the rules for VoIP for cities/counties/states. It would be a logistical nightmare.

    This is very good for VoIP and the internet in general imo.

  10. Business will benifit. by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Well as much as we all would love this, I think from a financial stand point businesses will fair better. If you've ever compared the cost of a POTS line for a business as opposed to a home user you will notice the large price difference. At my company we pay for a T-1 which is split between voice and data, with VOIP we can pay only for the data (cheaper) then go with a VOIP career and save houndreds in LD charges a month. To be honest on the home realm I see Cell phones driving down the cost of POTS lines to where theywill be much less regulated (hopefully).

  11. Re:Fair taxation? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You have this upside down. This is one step towards removing states' ability to tax things that they never should have had the authority to tax to begin with.

    The states give the excuse that the tax is needed to pay for emergency services. The fact is that those emergency services would still be necessary even if no one had a telephone and all we had were a bunch of pay phones, and moreover, can be used completely gratis by people who have no phone service and only use pay phones. Thus, allowing the states and communities to tax even POTS was creating a tax on the technologically savvy to pay for service that was used by the less technologically competent. Preventing taxes on VoIP just means that the folks in the middle get screwed (which is pretty much the norm, sadly). It's not right, but it's a step in the right direction.

    As far as I'm concerned, if I as a phone customer have to pay an E911 tax on my phone bill, then E911 service should only be available to people who pay that tax. Pay phones should not have E911 service, nor should any cell phones outside their home city. And no, I don't think that's a good idea. I think the current system is broken and needs to be rethought.

    The -right- fix for the problem is to pay for this out of property tax and hotel tax revenues. This is a much more fair means of covering the costs of those services, as it applies regardless of whether someone has an out-of-state cell phone as his/her primary line, an in-state cell phone, a wired phone, a VoIP line, or no telephone at all. Those who own rental property pass the cost on to renters, and now everyone is roughly burdened equally, which makes sense, since everyone has about the same chances of needing the service (age and health issues notwithstanding).

    Bottom line: if everyone needs the service, -everyone- should pay for it, not just those with a phone line, thus taxation for any reason other than upkeep of the telephone poles (and wires/switching if the community owns the hardware) is wrong.

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  12. Re:Wrong Moderation by FCAdcock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because they CAN be.

    Maybe I'm subconsiously a commie, but shouldn't everything that CAN be free, be free?

    Knoledge, parking, beer, and communication are all things that should be free.

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    --Forest C. Adcock--
  13. Re:IP networks SHOULD be taxed - JUST ONCE by xlv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (Let's not even call it the "internet" anymore, please. It's just a network for sending and receiving IP packets)

    That's fine and dandy but do you know what IP stands for? It's Internet Protocol...

  14. Actually Free is very Capitalistic by Charcharodon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Most people are confused with what Capitalism and Communism are. Capitalism is not about making money, that just happens to be a by product of what it's real intent is, an "efficient" distribution of scarce resources. Communism on the other hand was supposed to be the "fair" distribution of scarce resources, which for all practial purposes is impossible. There is no such thing in life that is ever truly fair nor can it be, beyond age five when mom would measure out exactly the same ammount of ice cream to shut you and your whiny sibling up about who got more, which is why Communism failed.

    The problem today is many things have become so easy to reproduce or to provide that they are essentially free, of course the companies involved don't like that and try to create artificial scarceness of resources in order to preserve old business models. Most electronic communications and digital media are perfect examples.

    I find this to be funny since it is exactly this intentional lack of innovation that has landed every communist nation in the economic toilet.

    Companies and individuals can still easily make money with commodities that are free or nearly so, it's all a question of coming up with a different business model to repackage it in a new way or to simply include it within another product and no longer use it as a primary product.

    Of course we are talking about people here and true Capitalism is just as harsh as Natural Selection so you are going to see many in government and industry resist technological change for the disruption of lives, jobs, and income that it inevitably causes. They forget though it's not a zero sum game and in the end there will be more to go around for everyone.

    Free is the ultimate expression of innovation and innovation in turn is central to what makes Capitalism so effective.