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Trials for Type 1 Diabetes Cure

An anonymous reader writes "According to this New York Times article, the pharmaceutical companies and NIH are shunning research for a cure for Type 1 diabetes. There's no money in a cure using medicine with an expired patent. Dr Faustman (researcher/professor at Harvard Medical School) has cured type 1 diabetes in mice and has been approved for Phase 1 clinical trials in humans. The only problem is raising the money, which Lee Iacocca is helping with."

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  1. Non-NYT article link by vslashg · · Score: 5, Informative

    The NYT must be cracking down; the first dozen logins from bugmenot.com didn't work for me.

    No problem, I found a copy of the NYT article on Lee Iacocca's page. (Hopefully the server holds up.) Enjoy.

    1. Re:Non-NYT article link by Curtman · · Score: 1

      The NYT must be cracking down; the first dozen logins from bugmenot.com didn't work for me

      On the other hand, this is the first time I've ever clicked a link from Google News, and ended up back at Slashdot. :)

    2. Re:Non-NYT article link by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      For most registration required sites I usually just go through the first few qwerty:qwerty, asdfg:asdfg, aaaaa:aaaaa, etc. Usually won't take more than 3 or 4 tries. For me at least I've found it to pretty much be the least troublesome way to go about it. Like they say, the old tricks are the best tricks..

  2. We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by leonbrooks · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Summary: "If we can't bleed you dry with it, we're not interested in developing it."

    I think that's all you really need to know about the current state of play WRT patents and the like. Now how does a little inventor set about getting the protection that patents should have offered him, but don't?

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    1. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Without a patent, drug companies face competition from those who put no money into research, trials, and FDA approval. Whoever pays for the drug research would incur severe losses. We'd depend almost entirely on government funding, academic research, chance, and philanthropy to develop new drugs.

      When it becomes uneconomical to develop a promising drug, usually because it treats too rare of a disease, but sometimes due to other reasons, we call those orphan drugs. Sometimes the government intervenes and finishes the research. Maybe it'll happen this time.

    2. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by whoda · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Well, I guess it's a good thing Vioxx and Phen-Fen are patented. I mean wow, what a money maker those 2 turned out to be.

    3. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by Deanasc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah but them drug companies are standing on research that was funded by the govt and carried out at public universities. Cox2 enzyme is a prime example of a billion dollar industry handed from a university to the drug companies for free. Not all of those billions the drug companies claim to be spending are actually coming out of their own pockets. They may be finishing the research privately but you can bet you and I paid for the startup costs.

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    4. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by BillyBlaze · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Government research has this crazy idea that companies won't want something unless they can get an exclusive license to it. So they'll halfway develop something, then start looking for companies, then sign licensing deals with the companies. This is the big problem - if the government develops something, than anybody ought to be able to implement it. If nobody has the balls to perfect the product and bring it to market, then that's their problem.

    5. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm wondering who moderated you as "Insightful" when your comment proves nothing. Vioxx and Phen-Fen held promise of a huge return on investment during the period they were under development. Those two turned out to fail but a certain percentage of lucrative drugs are expected to fail. This puts them in a different class than drugs which from the very start can be ruled out as showing little promise of a return on investment at all- even though they may be needed to maintain public health.

      There is a reason we have Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, and no flu vaccine.

    6. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drug companies that put no money into research, you say? As opposed to drug companies that average putting only 12% of their yearly budget into research with the rest going into flashy ad campaigns that promise common folks things they can't deliver but are willing to pay out the wazoo for?

      Yes, I have such pity for those poor drug companies who get screwed by other drug companies while the rest of us see our perscription drug prices rise because those same drug companies have to pay for 3D CGI commercials that make us believe all our problems can be solved by a little purple pill which may or may not kill us as the money that should have gone into research didn't.

      So, my question is, exactly how would it change to depend on government funding, academic research, chance and philanthropy for drug discoveries rather than the 12% we obviously depend on now?

    7. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by IWorkForMorons · · Score: 1

      Then how about this. To apply for a drug patent, the company should have to state how much money was spent on R&D. The patent should last until that money is recouped, and a certain amount of profit is made. After that, the patent is no longer valid. No one can complain about spending on R&D, since they are guarenteed it back. And they are making money. And after a time, it is open to many other companies, making the process cheaper.

      And yes, there should be government regulations regarding how much can be charged for a new drug, outsourcing manufacturing to other companies to guarentee supply, and a host of other things. But as with much of the patent and copyright situation today, most other systems would be better then what is in place today.

  3. The news I have been waiting for! by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Funny

    I will be calling Dr Faustman's office tommorow for more information and a follow up appointment. Even if it means taking a trip to Harvard from Canada. My pet mouse needs the cure desparately.

    1. Re:The news I have been waiting for! by TheLink · · Score: 1

      The odds are good - I'm sure the medical establishment has far more successful ways of curing or treating mice than humans.

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    2. Re:The news I have been waiting for! by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      For whomever marked me a troll, as I've suddenly gone from 4+ funny to 2+ funny....

      I'm sensitive to the issues/sufferers of diabetes: a family member and some friends have it. I was making a sarcastic remark, among other reasons, that animals such as mice are "cured" of disease even though we introduce it in their speicies (genetic manipulation, diet change) and we value these cures for humans even though we may chose to euthanise our pets.

    3. Re:The news I have been waiting for! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My pet mouse needs the cure desparately.

      My cat needs the cure too. Perhaps I could bring it along.

      Actually cat's diabetes can be cured with insulin medication and by changing the diet.

  4. As a Type 1 Diabetic by friedegg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been following Dr Faustman's research since I learned of it a couple years ago, and I have a lot of hope that it will work. However, I've also been aware of the fact that if a cure is found, or a cheaper alternative treatment, there will be many obstacles to getting it to us.

    Type 1 diabetics are in the minority, but we're still pretty big cash cows for certain companies. Besides the various types of insulin we need to survive, most diabetics that wish to succesfully manage the disease use additional products like disposeable needles, blood glucose meters and strips (big money), insulin pumps, and more. Potentially, it's many thousands of dollars per person per year and not many companies would want to lose that cashflow.

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    1. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

      Heak, not only people.

      I had a dog who suffered diabetis for 5 years before he died. 2 shots a day. 1 in the morning and 1 at night.
      In total, I purchased about 3500 needls, and 60 vials of insulin.

      Trust me, I was being milked for medical supplies, out of insurance too =(.

      Grump

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    2. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by evilWurst · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, money makes things happen.

      In this case, it won't be the big medical companies pushing it. It'll be insurers, which stand to save tons of money if they can cure diabetics. This overlaps with governments, since most western governments are paying at least some of the medical costs (medicare in the US, much larger programs in Canada and the EU).

      And while the big medical corps may resist losing their cash cow, the companies that make generic drugs will gladly pump out the patent-expired medicines used by this cure.

    3. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The insurance companies use it as an excuse to charge people an arm and a leg.

    4. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      It'll be insurers, which stand to save tons of money if they can cure diabetics.

      So long as all the big insurers statistically get the same number of type-1 diabetics on their books, they can just past the cost througth to the premiums, and there is no great business advantage to a cure, because they would all end up cutting premiums or adding services until it all leveled out again.

      There would be extra income available because cheaper insurance might allow more people to be insured, however they may well be happy to keep a known cash-flow rather than open up the possibility of having to fight for new customers.

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    5. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by putzin · · Score: 1

      The big problem here is that any cure that is discovered will have to fight through several different interested groups with deep pockets. Insurance will have an angle, pharm's will have an angle, edcuation will have an angle, and probably some others I've forgotten. Most notably absent here is the public, the only benefactor of a cure. The hope is that common sense and a sense of public good would prevail somewhere causing the new cure to be doled out, but I have my concerns.

      Irregardless of the potential cost of the cure, it will not be free or cheap initially and will likely be of limited availability. Otherwise, you would simply wipe out some billions of dollars annually from a very small number of companies. In fact, there are several corps whose only means of income is Type 1 and 2 diabetes, and removing that money would submarine them. I still argue that my life is worth that sacrifice, but the ones who would lose their jobs probably don't agree with me. There is no simple answer for a cure to a disease of such impact to society.

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    6. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by multiplexo · · Score: 1
      There's one other group that you've forgotten about, although everyone of them that I've met would love to get out of the business, and that's prosthetists and the companies that make prosthetic limbs. Somewhere around 60 percent of all lower limb amputations are caused by diabetic complications, I'm a lower limb amputee (Donorcycle accident) and I've met a lot of diabetics who have lost their legs from diabetic complications and it's a damned hard thing, because even a minor injury to the foot or lower limb of a diabetic who is otherwise healthy can eventually cause limb loss.

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    7. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      What about Type II. Sorry I just found out that I have type II. I may eventualy get off the drugs I am on and control it with diet for a while but a cure would be great. It seems like it has become an extermly comon problem.

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    8. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by innerweb · · Score: 1

      *Disclaimer* I am not a doctor, but these observations are based on my personal experience and the experiences of others I know and/or have read about. All changes in your treatment program should be made with the consulation of a medical professional. You may look for one that works with you the way you want.

      Type II diabetes is a different disease (cause) in most cases. Insulin resistance from the body is normally what Type II is caused by. Solutions for that are exercise, diet, exercise and oh yeah, exercise. I am a Type II and have been for at least a decade. Unfortunately, most medical practitioners are unaware or unconcerned with diabetes.

      Though YMMV, this is what has worked for me:

      • Exercise: 30 minutes cardio in the AM, weight 3 nights per week at night. Stretch every day with a yoga or some other gentle flexibility program. These all increase blood flow, decrease insulin resistance (weights especially) and have the added side effects of making you healthier than your non-diabetic friends who do not do them. Insulin resistance is more pronounced in the muscle cells. These are the cells you want to be least resistant, and exercise seems to fix that. Fat cells seem to be the least insulin resistant, so if you do not exercise, you will more than likely start gaining weight from the difference in which cells win in the glucose consumption contest.
      • Diet. Remove the white refined anything (flour, sugar, etc). On its own, this caused a drop of several hundred points to within the 70 to 130 range for me. Stay away from things that are sugar concentrated (fruit juice, cake, ice cream, ...) And run from anything that is low fat. Normally it is also high sugar, starch or simple carb. These three things fly into your bloodstream (starch, then sugars then simple carbs), blowing your sugar levels much higher than normal. This in turn causes greater stress on the insulin producing cells and causes more resistance to insulin. Also, learn that good fats are some of the most important nutrients for a diabetic. Take a good vitamin, get lots of vitamin C (anti-oxidants in general are very important). If your doctor does not seem to focus on diet and exercise, find a new doctor who does. This demonstrates understanding (and maybe concern) for your condition.
      • Track your eating and blood sugars daily. Take your blood sugars at night, morning, and two hours after each meal. Your blood sugars should be normally (70 to 100) at each of these readings. If not, your control is not tight enough. Many doctors will say that 130 is okay, but you can read the current research for yourself. Remember how elevated blood sugars do their damage. They coat the red blood cells with sugars, making it hard or impossible for them to get to the smaller capillaries in the fingers, toes and other extremeties. They also cause toxic build ups in the blood stream and mess with your mind. Every little increment above the normal is a little step in that direction.
      • Never trust your doctor. They are not out to harm you. They really do intend to help you, but most of them are not specialists and rely on literature from pharmaceutical companies that is often not in the patient's best interests. You need to be more on top of the disease than what is recommended. That means you need to study, study , study! You are your best health care manager. Doctors are good for many things, but not for knowing yourself. In the entire time since I was diagnosed Type II, I have seen a dozen plus doctors, and only three were paying attention to current research, and only one could even be considered a diabetes specialist (though all but one claimed to be).
      • If you are having difficulty controlling your sugar levels, consider a low level baseline insulin like Lantus (talk with you doctor) instead of trying to squeeze more insulin out of the cells with drugs that actually cause more harm. You have this disease for the rest of your life, you need to minimize the damag
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  5. public health care by BortQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can understand how this could happen in the US. My question is: Why doesn't she go to Canada or somewhere else where the health care system is publicly funded. Is such countries the economic factors greatly favor a cure, rather then ongoing treatments.

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    1. Re:public health care by Sepper · · Score: 1

      Well, health care IS Gouv. funded, but drugs are just regulated.

      It would mean going back to square one.

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    2. Re:public health care by psyconaut · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unfortunately, our medicare system is in a bit of a mess right now. Sorting out things like waiting lists for MRIs and non-elective surgery are big priorities.

      Money for pure research projects up here is few and far between (although I'm not saying it's non-existent -- research at hospitals like Sick Kids in Toronto is excellent).

      But, agreed...it'd sure be nice if someone took up the gauntlet and pursued a cure for Type 1 diabetes.

      -psy

    3. Re:public health care by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Our health care system is in an artificial mess caused by bitter administrators for the most part. That said, many good institutions are still doing incredible research work, like that at UofT or Sick Kids as you mentionned, or Mount Sinai or Princess Margaret, or the Cancer Research Centre in Sudbury at Laurentian, etc.

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  6. Much to early for any conclusion by xplenumx · · Score: 4, Informative

    As an Immunologist - I can't even begin to count the number of times we've cured RA (EAE), GvHD, various forms of cancer, etc. in mice, only to have the 'cure' fail, or even make the disease worse, in patients.

    1. Re:Much to early for any conclusion by Otter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I wish these guys luck, but pre-Phase I is nothing. When they get some efficacy in Phase II trials, it'll be time to start beginning to get excited.

  7. It's so clear to me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no money in a cure using medicine with an expired patent.

    This wouldn't be a problem if... uh, there was a truly free market in America. If only Badnarik had won!

  8. Why expect pharmaceutical companies to pay? by egarland · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Companies are in business to make money. It would be irresponsible for someone at a pharmaceutical company to spend money developing something they couldn't make any money on.

    The medical community isn't working in our best interest alone. Scientists work in areas where the best interest of the individual overlaps with the best interest of their employer. There are times when the best interest of the individual does not match up with the best interest of any company and these areas of medicine are horribly neglected (see blueberries vs Lipitor, oxygen therapy vs blood pressure medication, low carb vs the AHA Diet, First Do No Harm). I'm not saying that the doctors are wrong on all these things, I'm saying nobody is putting in the work to check up on them because there's nobody to pay for it.

    If the only medical research that gets done is privately funded then the only medical advancements that get made will increase the income of medical companies. If that's the case, the cost of medical care can only go up (unless someone is taking someone else's business but that rarely happens)

    I don't think this study is alone. Someone needs to fund this stuff or we'll all be taking out second mortgages because the medical community has convinced us we have to or we'll die.

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    1. Re:Why expect pharmaceutical companies to pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a lot of the PR of these companies is "We're trying to make your life better and find a cure!" Yeah, it's BS but they should be called on it.

    2. Re:Why expect pharmaceutical companies to pay? by CptChipJew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think most medical research, at least that which is done by university professors really is in the name of bettering mankind.

      And that is the research that the NIH is paying for.

      Historically, the pharmaceuticals though get all of the attention because you don't hear about these drugs until they've decided to market them. It's really a shame.

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    3. Re:Why expect pharmaceutical companies to pay? by egarland · · Score: 1

      I don't know much about the NIH but it seems to be both publicly and privately funded.

      Any time you get an organization like that which works closely with the industry, there will be teams of people spinning and lobbying politicians to influence where funding goes and inevitably a system is setup where if you want to keep your job, you spend money where the industry wants you to.

      I doubt the NIH has avoided the industry lapdogization common to government agencies in that kind of position.

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  9. The article is mixed up. by waterbear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article is mixed up. Nobody is shunning islet-cell transplantation for (IDDM) diabetes. Many people in the field believe that the currently most promising procedure is one developed by surgeon James Shapiro in Canada. It is in human patient trials in more than one country already now. A drawback of course (a big one for some who would otherwise be potential patients) is the need for immunosuppressant therapy after the surgical procedure.

    The 'big bad pharmaceutical co' angle is mixed up too. This is a surgical procedure. There is no new pharmaceutical at the centre of it. But if new combinations of immunosuppressants prove specially well adapted to patients who have this procedure, that would quite likely be a new combination of features, and patent protection would likely be available for whatever it turns out to be, anyway.

    -wb-

  10. RTFA by TheLink · · Score: 3, Informative

    Read the article again till the end.

    They found that the treatment/drugs supposed to prepare the mice for transplant actually _cured_ the mice. The treatment was supposed to stop the immune system from blowing away the transplanted islet cells. But after the treatment the islet cells _regrew_ back. So there was no need for a transplant.

    ""No one had cured them," he said. "Here was this treatment that we thought would get them ready for a transplant but - eureka! - the diabetes was cured.""

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    1. Re:RTFA by waterbear · · Score: 4, Informative

      TheLink wrote "Read the article again till the end."

      I suggest reading the literature on the subject as well. It is well known that immune destruction starts off IDDM, but there is no evidence -- including regard to what is reported in the article -- that immune suppression revives beta-cells in patients who have none left. I.e. the large majority of humans with IDDM have long since lost all their beta cells to the destructive process that has run its course, and there is no bringing those cells back from the dead.

      And I stick to what I said about the big bad pharma angle being mixed up too. If a drug or combination of drugs has a surprising new effect then patent protection is likely to be available on the usual conditions no matter how much noise to the contrary is made on /. If this is a useful new application of BCG there is no rule nowadays that stops a patent for the new use.

      -wb-

    2. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It still sounds like you haven't read the article. In the mice, the spleen seems capable of regenerating islet cells.

  11. NIH appears to be funding the research.... by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 1

    From a link off Dr. Faustman's webpage: "The source of the funding for the clinical research activities in the MGH Diabetes Center has come almost entirely from NIH and foundation grants. This funding is ear-marked for specific projects and protocols, allowing little flexibility or opportunity to fund the type of innovative clinical research that the Diabetes Center aims to conduct and provide hope of significant advances. Flexible funds to foster new initiatives, to support researchers who need the funds to pursue innovative approaches and research, are critically needed. Many of the exciting breakthroughs that occur in clinical research and lead to the development of new therapies require this type of initial backing, which is almost never available from government, corporate or foundation sources. Your support can make the difference."

    It appears that some of her funding does come from the NIH, although she may want it to be more flexible or something.

  12. stem cells by gnuman99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From article: But if she is correct, scientists will also have to reconsider many claims for embryonic stem cells as a cure for diabetes, and perhaps for other diseases.

    Why? This statement is 100% false. For many diseases and disorders there is more than one method of treatment. For cancer, there is chemotherapy and radioation. Both work. Same thing for diabetes, if one method works, why not another?

    Stem cell research can result in a cure for diabetes. The same thing can be true for Dr. Denise Faustman's treatment.

    I'd have to say NYT either is biased against stem cell research or they just repeat another's bias.

    1. Re:stem cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they're simply countering people that claim the government MUST fund stem cell research to find a cure. If this works, then that isn't true. Stem cell research, and all the controversy surrounding it, is no longer necessary.

    2. Re:stem cells by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
      No, they're simply countering people that claim the government MUST fund stem cell research to find a cure. If this works, then that isn't true. Stem cell research, and all the controversy surrounding it, is no longer necessary.

      Please, RTFA or the story title. The cure is for Type I diabetes. I don't know if it does anything for Type II, but maybe it is related to the spleen. Since the pancreas is the only vital organ than can grow back, the connection between the spleen and the pancreas in diabetes can be important to find a cure for Type II.

      But stem cell research is *much* more important than just for diabetes. Stem cells can grow into any tissue type. This means stem cell research can be used to treat damaged heart tissue (ie. no need for heart transplants), or grow new nerve cells for people with brain injuries.

    3. Re:stem cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read the article. Where did I ever say it wasn't for type 1?

      And Type II doesn't have the same cause, so no, this research doesn't do anything for them. Most Type II diabetics still produce insulin, with many producing more than average. Their pancreas, islet cells, etc work fine, but they've lost insulin sensitivity. This would do nothing to fix that. The diseases and causes are totally unrelated, only the symptoms (to a point) are the same.

      Regardless, I was answering your question about why they brought up stem cell research, and I told you. It should make getting research money EASIER, since they're not doing anything overly controversial.

  13. No money? by Transcendent · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Again... why capitalism and science doesn't mix.

    Chemist/Pharmacist: Look! We found the cure for cancer, AIDS, and all forms of nerve injury!

    Manager: Who cares? The patent's expired.... just throw it away...

    ...and the human race dies off because the bureaucrat couldn't make the buck... what a wonderful system.

    1. Re:No money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and the human race dies off because the bureaucrat couldn't make the buck... what a wonderful system.

      Not quite. This problem happens when a lucrative treatment already exists, so people are being kept alive but paying lots of money to do it. Then there's no pressure to create a cure (by the companies anyway). The insurance companies, or a government that supplies health care to all its citizens, will sometimes pony up the cash to develop the cure, since it will save them money in the long run.

  14. Legal Pushers and Public Addicts by strangedays · · Score: 3, Insightful
    An unkind cynic might conclude that drug companies and drug pushers are comparable, at least from a simple economic viewpoint.

    I would like to suggest that this opinion of drug companies is, in some ways too generous; Its not their fault, its the economics and laws which we set up to drive pharmaceutical research and profits.

    Similar outcomes different goals?: Illegal Drug dealers induce a dependency by pushing a prohibited substance, targeting any easy mark. Drug companies discover dependecies by hiring "researchers" to find substances which alleviate or "manage" pre-existing common diseases, targeting any sick person.

    These "no-cure" drugs temporarily alleviate the symptoms of the diseases, and even extend the patients life (and thus profits), while, "unfortunately", rarely managing to fundamentally cure anything. When was a drug as useful as penicillin last discovered?

    The really clever people are in marketing, its carefully created to spin the appearance of dedicated people attempting to find cures. I find that laughably naive, clearly the economic pressure precludes that from happening. However, I suspect many of the scientists and 'caring professionals' in the field prefer to believe that comfortable fallacy and self image.

    To me this focus on researching pushable drugs, versus practical cures, is a natural outcome of allowing the humanitarian medical sciences to be solely driven by raw capitalism and simple greed.

    The pharmaceutical companies, will grow wealthier, and the poignant marketing campaigns, and "real soon now cures", will be glossy, slick and convincing, for as long as the hypocrisy continues.

    Note: Where there are funds for any cure oriented research, it will typically be in areas where there is a huge PR payback in company image and good will factors.

    We, the public, are the addicts, we pay the taxes, fund the basic research, and then have to drink their coolaid and swallow the bitter and expensive pills, just so we can feel better... for a while.

    IMHO, there is no cure for this chronic disease of legalized "no-cure" drug pushing, except by radical surgery on the NIH and our health research laws.

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  15. Fund the competition by manganese4 · · Score: 1

    From reading the article I wonder if anyone knows why the Juvenile Diabetes Research Association is funding an independent researcher but not providing any funds to the person if started the research? Of course from reading some of the other discussion, it is possible the article is simply underreporting the funding to make the issue more sensational (or is that too cynical?)

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  16. No big deal by voisine · · Score: 1

    So what? There are tons of philanthropic organizations that would love be known as the organization that funded the cure for diabetes. Do you have any idea the kind of prestiege (and donations) that would bring them? Free market solutions win again!

    1. Re:No big deal by mink · · Score: 1

      No they do not. Instead the money is in conning some kid into thinking he will die instantly is he does not bleed himself painfully 5 or more times a day, needing hundreds of dollard of "testing" gear every month.
      The Razor and blades mentality to health care issues is killing people.

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  17. What's wrong w/ successful Edmonton Protocol?!? by ivi · · Score: 1


    Years ago, CBC's "Quirks & Quarks" science program
    had at least 2 items (the later on a follow-up) on
    transplating Islets from healthy donors into Type 1 diabetes sufferers.

    [ Research was from University of Alberta ]

    Trials have been going for years already, with
    over 90% success rates. Not good enough?!? :-/

    What's the latest on this treatment...?

    1. Re:What's wrong w/ successful Edmonton Protocol?!? by ViolentGreen · · Score: 1

      I don't know and have never heard of it. Just because they are looking for other solutions doesn't mean that there's somthing wrong with that method. There's still the 10% that it doesn't work on.

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    2. Re:What's wrong w/ successful Edmonton Protocol?!? by Steel_viper · · Score: 1

      Islet cell transplant (like almost any other transplant) requires the use of immunosuppresants to prevent rejection. So while the diabetic is off of insulin, they're now dependent on another drug (with the side-effect of being extremely vulnerable to illnesses due to the weakened immune system). As far as I know islet cell transplants are still very much in the experimental stages, and candidates are usually people that are having difficulty controlling blood sugars with injections/pump.

    3. Re:What's wrong w/ successful Edmonton Protocol?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been difficult to replicate at other islet cell transplant labs, and the recipients still require massive amounts of immunosuppressants. The islet transplants don't remove the underlying autoimmune cause of the disease and they too will eventually be killed off unless you somehow avoid the T cells responsible for the reaction in the first place. Faustman's work is focused on this, and in mice, who share the same T cell defect causing the disease as in humans, she has been successful.

  18. Not as promising as the NYT article makes it out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was the study published by Baystate Medical Center in 1999.

    No Cure in people. Not even a rise in insulin levels, but it's a promising avenue of research.

    Effect of Bacillus Calmette-Guerin vaccination on new-onset type 1 diabetes. A randomized clinical study.

    Allen HF, Klingensmith GJ, Jensen P, Simoes E, Hayward A, Chase HP.

    Baystate Medical Center Children's Hospital, Springfield, MA 01095, USA.

    OBJECTIVE: We undertook this study to test whether Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine preserves beta-cell function and increases the remission rate in children with new-onset type 1 diabetes. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: This was a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trial offered to children referred to the Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes or the Baystate Medical Center with a diagnosis of new-onset type 1 diabetes. There were 94 children aged 5-18 years who received either BCG or saline intradermally within 4 months of onset of symptoms and who were then evaluated at 3-month intervals for 2 years. The primary end point was remission, defined as insulin independence for 4 weeks. Secondary end points were C-peptide levels (fasting and in response to a mixed meal challenge), insulin dose, and HbA1c. RESULTS: Of the patients, 47 were randomized to each arm; 7 in the placebo group and 9 in the BCG group did not complete 1 year of the study and are not included in the analysis. One patient from each group achieved remission. Fasting and stimulated C-peptide levels did not differ by treatment arm but declined in both groups and were lower initially and during the entire 2-year period in younger children. Insulin requirements and HbA1c levels did not differ in the two groups. CONCLUSIONS: Vaccination with BCG at the time of onset of type 1 diabetes does not increase the remission rate or preserve beta-cell function.

  19. RTRA (read the real article) by drjzzz · · Score: 2, Informative
    Once you've digested the NYT article, have a look at the original research article published in the journal Science. The original paper is linked from the PubMed abstract, which is linked from this (brief) discussion discussion on a slashsite called MedDot.org.

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  20. There is more than one source of stem cells by tepples · · Score: 1

    But stem cell research is *much* more important than just for diabetes.

    So why do the bleeding-purple-heart liberals focus only on research with new lines of embryonic stem cells? What about umbilical stem cells or bone marrow stem cells?

    1. Re:There is more than one source of stem cells by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      Because embryonic stem cells are undifferentiated. At the stage where they are harvested, each stem cell is identical to the next. Adult stem cells have structures and internal changes from their embryonic cousins, and therefore are extremely limited in how and where they can be used and it is very difficult to clone them to increase the supply. Embryonic stem cells are much easier to clone.

      At least, that's my understanding of how stem cells work. I'm only a rocket scientist.

  21. Atkins for diabetics? by tepples · · Score: 1

    What happens when a person with type 2 DM goes on a low-carbohydrate, low-calorie diet to help reduce the secretion of excess insulin into the bloodstream?

    1. Re:Atkins for diabetics? by HBI · · Score: 1

      It works for even Type 1 diabetics, though to be honest you should already probably be eating an even more confined diet as a diabetic.

      Atkins requires careful management. Most people with bad results aren't following the regimen. The vitamin supplementation is key, and requires careful management.

      Joe Blow should probably just exercise and hope for the best. Most endocrinologists won't particularly approve of nonstandard diets for diabetics. They are addicted to consistency.

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  22. penniless orphans by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Yes, our only choices are "no patents, too much unfair competition" and "bad patents, not enough fair competition". That crazy Constitution, with its quaint notions of "securing for limited Times" monopolies "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts". Now that feudal monarchy is in the past, we need monopolies to keep the social contract.

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  23. Generalizations and Big Picture Issues by CanadaKirk · · Score: 1

    Let's get to brass tacks here. The issues we are talking about here is the effect of the American patent system & American capitalism/Democracy on research. The example of Dr. Faustman's lack of ability to continue to do research on an unexpected tangent, simply because it is not authorized by the funding, is yet another example of the increasing flaws/perversion in both systems. Reasoning: 1. Life/fulfillment/freedom is a right of every individual, (treatment/medicine to maintain your life should necessarily follows that premise.) (Individualism) 2. I think we can all agree in our hearts that the pursuit of money/wealth is not a righteous endeavour. We do it out of necessity obviously, and our acceptance of it varies in degrees of acceptance relative likely to where we are in society/personal belief system. 3. American Capitalism (American dream, American Democracy) is based on the pursuit of wealth and maintaining it, with health and happiness a by-product of it, not a result from the pursuit. (Capitalism/American style Democracy) 4. When it comes right down to it America is not run by government; its course/policies are made by lawyers, as they interpret and create the doctrine America lives under. Who do the lawyers represent? Business...very simple. The people that speak loudest/most influence in government are those represented by lawyers...Who do the lawyers represent?.. Business... I think there is a pattern there. (Obviously I am generalizing, and generalizations are never totally correct. :) Please give me some leeway in accepting these generalizations, as this is a discussion, and that involves listening and understanding another's view, not just stating your own) If you can understand/believe these assumptions you quickly realize that the patent system and research in medicine walk a fine line at the best of times in America. Obviously the more Rightwing-Capitalistic/"Republican" America becomes, the more the scale of society tips towards #3 and less towards #1. The patent system may have been created to protect an inventors idea from being copied and efforts being rewarded justly, but it has been bastardized/perverted by lawyers/big business to now mean protection in the market, and the resulting ability to make money. Again the scales are being tipped from #1 towards #3. Capitalism/American Democracy does not promote individual freedoms; it promotes its own growth. It is directly at odds with that premise. So how does America remove the shackles of the laws it has entangled it's self with? Elect better judges to the Supreme Court, to vote virtuously and in favour of the individualism and not to side with capitalism/Americanism. Hmm.. Who recently got elected .. and which type of judge do you think he will elect to the Supreme Court? The world needs is more rebels... more individuals standing up for people and #1. What a rebellious thought...(In this case it is Lee Iacocca stepped up to the plate.)

  24. Not only off-patent, but already on the market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BCG is not a drug, it's a vaccine against TB. Faustman is using it as an adjuvant to modify the immune response.

    Since BCG is already on the market, any physician can prescribe it to you for any reason they like. It doesn't have to be proven to work for your disease yet. This is called "off-label use". In other words, not only is there not a conspiracy to deny you this drug, but you can have it today if you and your doctor want it. Me, I think I'd wait for the clinical trial. Autoimmune diseases are complicated.

  25. Donations by Nepre · · Score: 1

    If you want to support Dr. Faustman's research, you can donate online through the Reach For the Cure web site. The money goes directly to Dr. Faustman's project.

  26. And the acronyms are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EAE = experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis
    RA = rheumatoid arthritis
    GVHD = graft-vs-host disease