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Sony U750P Handtop

captainJam writes "In September we announced that Sony's U50/U70 line was being dropped. With news today that a North American version of this handtop is coming out, that news becomes half-truth. The U50/U70 may be no more, but the line has been upgraded a touch and simplified by having just one model instead of two. Handtops.com has a brief look at the new Sony U750P."

81 comments

  1. Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've read U50 reviews stating that the U50/70 is expensive. That's relative -- do you really NEED such a device? Nobody really NEEDS to watch movies or do any of the other myriad things one could do with a U50, the point is that you CAN watch movies and listen to music, you CAN check your email, you CAN play games, restart your HTTPD and sendmail daemons all from the comfort of your couch, or train. This is a luxury device, and given the specs and amount of effort that must have gone into making it, I don't think the price is expensive at all. This is the Rolls Royce of iPods, you pay for quality and finesse. The U50 is an extravegance that makes life more fun, and as such, it's worth every penny.

    1. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by krymsin01 · · Score: 1

      I'd rather hack together something to do it, that's worth more than the money.

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    2. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by CountBrass · · Score: 1
      This is the Rolls Royc of iPods..
      I agreed with everything you said until I came to this bit. Muppet. This is a hand held computer an iPod is a great mp3 player.
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    3. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, as a /. I've not actually read the review, but my two-bits are that I've finally got a reason to investigate. I want a screen I can watch, enough drive/mem to see a movie, some attach point for GPS and satradio/phone, and a batt in. For my 4-amp regulated 12v/i-limited bike generator. Too bad Burning Man is over for this year.

    4. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I'd rather grab a Toshiba Libretto 110CT, and throw in a WiFi card ;-) About the same size, and a (cramped) full laptop KB to boot.

    5. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by Sai+Babu · · Score: 1

      Santa thinks he can dance sez,"...do you really NEED such a device?"

      If one has a long commute on crowded train or bus, I can see some utility. My P2120 is the perfect air coach computer, but there's no way I could manage it while standing on a train.

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    6. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Man, this sucker really is expensive. One can (could?) get a Japanese u50 from a cheap and reliable importer like price-japan.com for something like $1250 w/ 2-3 day shipping. But they want $2000 for the US version? Bah.

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    7. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by gh · · Score: 1

      Most importers are selling the U50 for around $1500-2000 price range. For the U70, the prices I've usually seen are $2000-2600. In the case of the U50, the only ones I've seen at that lowest range are used U50s.

      Considering, that the US model will be a slightly improved version of the U70, $2000 is not as far off as you would suggest. A sweet price would be to put around $1700-1800.

    8. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by gh · · Score: 1

      I didn't know of that particular importer. The correct url is: pricejapan.com.

      I checked the price for their U70... after shipping they listed it as 231,877 yen or roughly $2,198.

    9. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to rip off the U50 review from the same site:
      http://www.handtops.com/show/review/1

      You are a karma whore, but I guess you already knew that. If I had points you'd be modded -1, Plagiarist.

    10. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by captainJam · · Score: 1

      Since when does entirely copying a paragraph from my review constitute a 'post'? Not even a mention of quoting or anything. The first post ("I've read U50 reviews...") is copying a paragraph in it's entirety from my review -- http://www.handtops.com/show/review/1

    11. Re:Cool... Drool... XMas present, anybody? by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I put the crack away. Their price, w/ shipping, for the U50 is now $1600. However, it was lower a month or so back, when I checked last. Perhaps it's gone up now that Sony has apparently stopped making them? Pricejapan.com works by finding the lowest price in Tokyo- and then the guy who runs it goes out, buys it, and ships it to you. A lot of people have got a Zaurus C860 for the best price around ($560, w/ shipping) and give it a bunch of thumbs up.

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  2. Re: Dropped by theanonymousbrit · · Score: 3, Funny

    So it can survive being dropped? That's a neat feature.

  3. Yes, if... by wirefarm · · Score: 1

    Only if I can get Linux running on one.
    I was just looking at one on a coworker's desk and it sure is a neat little machine.

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  4. What's the niche? by Kiyooka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be better to buy a laptop for that price? Then you could play DVD movies and do a lot more other things too.

    Then again, with this you can bring all your work AND media with you. Plug it in at work, detach it, listen to mp3s on the subway ride home, plug it in at home...

    Nah, I'd still rather have a laptop!

    1. Re:What's the niche? by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So would I. But we're not the target market. It's aimed at people that need more than a PDA but need something considerably smaller than a laptop.

      Try using any laptop one-handed (laptop in one hand, use the other hand to drive) for any extended period of time.

      Think people doing stock control; data capture; viewing electronic documents (blueprints at a building site say) and you'll probably get more of an idea what this is about.

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    2. Re:What's the niche? by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Wouldn't it be better to buy a laptop for that price?

      Will the laptop go in your inside pocket when you are going somewhere?

      A better comparison might be `wouldn't it be better to buy a Zaurus and a cheap laptop'.

      Of course, Sharp are pulling the Zaurus out of north america IIRC.

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    3. Re:What's the niche? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      On the subway ride home? That doesn't exactly relate to pretty much everyone. Are you one of those out-of-touch Northeasterners who thinks the whole country is just like where they live?

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    4. Re:What's the niche? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh, I don't know about out of touch, being that like a quarter of the population lives there, and there's similar things in all the population hot spots the world over...

    5. Re:What's the niche? by AShuvalov · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about the rest of the world. All big capitals of Europe carry most of the daily commuters in subways.

      All of the Japan itself is commuting.

      The people who you mention to commute in personal cars - they are the minority, actually.

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    6. Re:What's the niche? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha. Well you can use it on the horse and buggy ride home. Damn them city slickers n thar fancy underground people movers!

    7. Re:What's the niche? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      "the" Japan? Have you ever actually been to Japan? Go 15 minutes outside the city limits and there are no trains, no subways, it's car country. Of course, that's not what they display on those cartoons, so I'm sure it's your impression.

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  5. Anyone owns smth similar? by ceeam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Question for owners: what these devices are good at? I mean, at $2000+ it should offer smth that $300 PDA or $450 Smartphone don't. Please - it's not a flamebait, I'm genuinely curious. :)

    1. Re:Anyone owns smth similar? by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Simple: it's a general purpose PC, not a PDA or a Smartphone; nor is it an mp3 or movie player: although it *can* do everything those devices can do (except make calls).

      Sure there's some crossover (the closest was the Zarus but not really). The Sony has the hardware you'd expect in a "proper" PC eg a hard disk and a lot of memory (no PDA or Smartphone I know of comes with half a gig of main memory).

      So it's aimed at people who want to do more than you can do on a PDA/Smartphone but want something smaller than a laptop.

      The reason the price is so high is a) the market is small and b) miniturisation costs money.

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    2. Re:Anyone owns smth similar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What do you mean by 'smth'? Is this some stupid AOL shorthand that I'm not aware of, or are you just making up words? Speak English, damn it!

    3. Re:Anyone owns smth similar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh huh. And what exactly are these people going to be doing that can't be done by a PDA? Are these people gonna be driving along and plug in a keyboard and start typing up a report? Are they going to be standing on the street and whip out a tablet and start working on some CAD designs? This thing is so useless. Sony knows they won't make any money on this stupid thing. They only approve products like this because of the wow factor. The only purpose they serve is to provide publicity for the Sony brand.

  6. being tiny and inciting lust in other geeks by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that's the point: they're tiny, they look cool, and you want one. much like a mont blanc fountain pen or an omega seamaster watch compared to a biro or a cheap digital watch: they don't do anything different - they're just nicer - and some people are prepared to pay for this.
    personally i could have bought a hundred cheap watches for the price of my omega, but i keep telling myself that the amortised cost per glance at the time is quite reasonable!

    1. Re:being tiny and inciting lust in other geeks by kfg · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      i could have bought a hundred cheap watches for the price of my omega. . .

      Oh sure, but do you know what time it is?

      KFG

  7. Just a reminder folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

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    1. Re:Just a reminder folks by pronobozo · · Score: 1

      would you rather it be an article from pc world or cnn?? Why not give other people a chance instead of cutting them up. What the guy is doing is only logical.

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    2. Re:Just a reminder folks by gearry · · Score: 1

      Did it ever occur to anyone that the /. editors just might not care if the person submitting might profit from a story being posted? Sure, I would like full disclosure if the /. editors were profiting in some direct way from posting a particular submission, but as long as the content is interesting who cares where it comes from. Of course that last little bit is questionable sometimes. I figure either my interests are a little out of whack, or sometimes the editors are drunk. Either way I don't care.

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  8. Re:Why bother? by CountBrass · · Score: 2, Informative

    All true and at the same time completely missing the point.

    Even the Sony Picturebook, which (closed) is about the same size, is awkward to use one handed. This thing is a tablet computer done right. Status poseurs aside: people who have need a tablet computer would find a normal laptop far too heavy and awkward (clam shell is no good for holding in one hand and driving the other; neither is a keyboard).

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  9. Captain Jim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It seems to me that Captain Jim gets off with these little battery operated toys.

  10. Still no Bluetooth? by Hast · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This seems like a perfect applience for Bluetooth, unfortunately they forgot to include it, again.

    Wireless keyboard and mouse as well as going online through mobile phone doesn't seem too bad as far as I'm concerned.

    And those complaining about "get a laptop instead" clearly have no imagination. These are made to work in situations were you only have your hands to hold it. Eg during your train ride to work (which many US people don't do). It's made for use on the move, in those situations a laptop is just not possible.

    1. Re:Still no Bluetooth? by CountBrass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed: although I was looking for WiFi.

      I would have thought something like this would have come with BT to replace a physical dock and WiFi for network access.

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    2. Re:Still no Bluetooth? by Hast · · Score: 1

      True, no mention of WiFi either. Although the older versions has WiFi so I assumed that this newer would as well.

      The machines are really nice though. I got a chance to play a little with demo-versions in Japan this summer.

    3. Re:Still no Bluetooth? by gh · · Score: 1

      Sony U750P has 802.11 b/g.

      Sony U750P Specifications (pdf)

    4. Re:Still no Bluetooth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um these people perhaps have heard of something called a PDA? I have yet to see an example of something this device would do that a PDA could not in a situation in which a laptop would not be practical. Seriously just one example. Cause right now I can't see it.

  11. Re: Dropped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Accelerometers, perhaps, to move the read heads safely away.

  12. Tokyo Police Cataclysm Division by Graymalkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm at a loss to understand the appeal of these. I can see the appeal of a handheld computer system with a large screen and I grasp the desire to have a lot of storage space on such a handheld. What I don't get is why a PC with its general purpose nature is being shoehorned into such an inappropriate form factor. It seems to me a device truly meant to be a haldheld and not cimply a tiny PC would be an overall better design.

    I can see very few instances where something running a StrongARM/XScale chip with 64-128MB of RAM isn't going to be powerful enough to handle chores that would end up relegated to a handheld device. Current PocketPC and Palms can play video, compressed audio, and even 3D games. This is on top of all of the mundane uses like note taking, calendar keeping, and contact management they might be used for.

    Running typical desktop software on a handheld device doesn't seem very appealing to me either. Running a full version of Word on a handheld while riding on the train sounds a bit ridiculous to me. A Word document viewer on a lightweight device makes a bit of sense but not the full application. I don't see many people with an overwhelming desire to run Outlook XP on their handhelds.

    Then there's the price tag of these suckers. The U750 costs more than most high-powered laptops and quite a bit more than even extremely powerful and feature filled PocketPC and Palm handhelds.

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    1. Re:Tokyo Police Cataclysm Division by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You miss the point that, people who buy this don't buy it themselves, a company or whatnot buys it for them. It's the same as business class airline seats...nobody but the rich actually buy them, everyone else has their company do it or upgrades with mileage.

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    2. Re:Tokyo Police Cataclysm Division by nine-times · · Score: 1
      I think you're missing a key portion to this advice-- hook it up to the dock, and you can connect a regular monitor, mouse, keyboard, [insert device here] and this is a full desktop machine. So imagine... You have a dock at the office, a dock at home, a dock at your summer house-- whatever floats your boat. You take this thing with you, and it's a nice little Palm/PPC device, but you drop it any of the docks, and you have a full desktop machine. Plus, at every place-- every place you have the dock as well as when you're using it as a palm-top device-- you have all the same documents, music, applications, everything. No syncing, no updating/maintaining multiple computers, nothing like that. Just everywhere you go, you have everything you need.

      Now, I'm not saying I'm headed out to buy one of these things, but I really like the idea. I'm just going to sit back and wait for these things to become ubiquitous like cell-phones, wait for them to get nice and cheap, wait for them to get all the kinks worked out, then I'll scoop one up in 5 years.

      But they don't get to be that level of ubiquitous in 5 years unless someone is selling an over-priced and buggy version today.

    3. Re:Tokyo Police Cataclysm Division by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      It isn't really a full desktop machine even when docked. It's a machine for $2000 (at least for now) that is only about as powerful as a cheap ass Wal-Mart PC and less capable in many ways than a moderately priced laptop. It also requires docks, keybords, monitors, and a slew of other peripherals in all of the locations you're planning to use the thing.

      As a handheld or even simply as a portable computer the U750 falls down horribly. It's a handheld that gets at best three hours on a single charge and won't fit in even the largest of pockets. It's also running an OS whose suspend capability is somewhat of a joke among mobile computer users.

      Today's Palms and PocketPCs can do the same sorts of things the U750 and its mini-PC brethren can do for a fraction of the price and size with far longer battery life. The Palm or PocketPC might not be able to run any old Windows application but then again who wants to run Word on a 5" 800x600 display?

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    4. Re:Tokyo Police Cataclysm Division by nine-times · · Score: 1
      It isn't really a full desktop machine even when docked. It's a machine for $2000 (at least for now) that is only about as powerful as a cheap ass Wal-Mart PC and less capable in many ways than a moderately priced laptop.

      I don't think I said anywhere that it was *powerful* compared with current desktop machines. Still, it runs a full version of windows, desktop versions of applications, and should be able to connect to whatever peripheral you need.

      It also requires docks, keybords, monitors, and a slew of other peripherals in all of the locations you're planning to use the thing.

      uh... yeah? Is that supposed to refute what I said? I didn't say it would be cheap, I said you could do it...

      As a handheld or even simply as a portable computer the U750 falls down horribly. It's a handheld that gets at best three hours on a single charge and won't fit in even the largest of pockets. It's also running an OS whose suspend capability is somewhat of a joke among mobile computer users.

      yeah, like I said... overpriced and buggy. Do you mean to be agreeing with me? 'cause you sound like you think you're arguing.

      Today's Palms and PocketPCs can do the same sorts of things the U750 and its mini-PC brethren can do for a fraction of the price and size with far longer battery life. The Palm or PocketPC might not be able to run any old Windows application...

      Yeah, I think running 'any old Windows application' constitutes a meaningful thing that the U750 can do that Palms and PocketPCs can't. I'd be much more likely to use a palm-top device if it really could do everything my desktop could with as little hassle. As for battery life and price, I'd expect those to get better as time goes on.

      ...but then again who wants to run Word on a 5" 800x600 display?

      I'm sure lots of people-- especially when I can hook the same device to a full-sized monitor and run the same version of Word with all the same documents at a reasonable screen-size/resolution. Oh, and I won't have to worry about whether 'Documents-to-go' or the Pocket-PC version of Word support all the formatting I used in my Word document. Oh, and if I'm dealing with another document format, I don't have to worry about whether there's a PalmOS-based viewer for that format.

      Plus, I won't have to install additional software-- if I got it on my desktop, I have it on my palmtop, since my desktop is my palmtop. And I won't have to sync the files-- I'll always be working on the same copy. The list goes on...

      So, sure, I get that this is over-priced and buggy with a short battery life. That used to be the general deal with laptops, cell-phones, etc. It's still the case with Palm/PocketPC devices, though they've been getting better. That doesn't mean the idea has no virtue to it, or that no one should bother on working out the kinks.

  13. A meme at work by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    I too have noticed people calling basically any small sexy multimedia like PDA an iPod...

    Perhaps iPod (I = Me, Pod = thing that contains something) is a better word for handheld/palm/ipaq/pda. Where a brand presses its name to an object, like Hoover, then the world has a new word in effect.

    A Vaccum Cleaner wasn't a name for the device, it was a description of it.

    Anyway, nothing non-biological should be as sexy as that...

    My axim is fine for me though!

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  14. Spam for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The thread links to another news item on another 'discussion' site, which in turn links to another news item, which links to another... GREAT! This is the last time I try to RTFA.

    A challenge for slashdot posters would be to see how many many spam links like this can get on a front page news story. There should also be a spam-chain scoring mechanism to score how many successive spam links a thread can have, with an extra bonus for pop-ups for IE users.

  15. Getting it wet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Does it work underwater?

    No? I guess I'll have to wait for the U571 model then.

    (I'm so sorry for that)

    1. Re:Getting it wet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am U-571, destroy me!

  16. Re: Dropped by Serious+Simon · · Score: 1
    So it can survive being dropped? That's a neat feature.

    No, it can't. That's why, having been dropped, they don't sell them anymore.

  17. I want a keyboard by Jack+Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've got a U101 and it's a great carry-everywhere notebook. I can do all the emailing, websurfing and occasional sshing that I need.

    But why on earth would anyone want one without a keyboard? I've tried surfing the web with tablet and there's nothing worse than trying to type a URL with a stylus.

    This thing is just a really expensive media player - I can't see any other use for it.

  18. Clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's aimed at people that need more than a PDA but need something considerably smaller than a laptop."

    Is that aimed at the same market as "executive who would use a PC, but don't use one because they don't type and would use one if there was handwriting recognition"*

    * You must be older than 18 to get the reference...

  19. Does nobody care about handwriting? by sean@thingsihate.org · · Score: 1

    This review (and the link in it to an older model) doesn't mention how the handwriting recognition is. So many handheld reviews don't mention how the handwriting recognition is. They all talk about how easily you can hook a keyboard to it. I don't understand this.

    If it's got a keyboard, i.e. you have to set it on a desk or table or something to use it, it's really not mobile, is it?

    I want a handheld device I can hold in my left hand, write with the stylus with my right hand, use my natural handwriting (no graffiti), and have the device know what I'm writing. And I want to be able to write naturally, not have one little box I need to write in for capitals, one for lower case, and I write each letter in the same place on the screen.

    I want to compose email on the train and I don't want to use some little thumb keyboard, I want to write with the stylus like I would with a pen.

    Do so few people actually care about good, natural handwriting input?

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    1. Re:Does nobody care about handwriting? by gh · · Score: 2, Informative

      The U70 does not use an active digitizer for the stylus. Some would argue that's a weakness, however, it allows one to use a stylus or any other point object (fingernail, etc). If you want a full review including a discussion on its handwriting recognition, check out:

      Sony U-70 review

      The guy, JK, who wrote that review went so far as to install the tablet pc os on the device. Said, the handwriting is very good.

      The shipping version of the U750P will not have the tablet pc os, however, it includes ritePen which provides much of the same functionality.

    2. Re:Does nobody care about handwriting? by amadeusb4 · · Score: 1
      Drop by eBay and get yourself a Newton Messagepad 2100. 4 AA NiMH batteries last over 2 weeks with heavy use. Form factor is nearly identical. The Newt is 1.5" longer but just as thick and wide. And you still get the best handwriting recognition available. Larger screen, 2 PMCMCIA slots, serial interface and with some effort wireless and ethernet capability. Depending on the item, options and auction, it may cost you $100-200.

      The plug-in keyboard is nice and i've used it at airports with the Newt tucked away in my briefcase. No need to set it up. Just turn the Newt on, whip out the keyboard and start typing away. Works in any tight space. For shorter messages, the HW recognition is fine, but it gets cumbersome for longer input.

      On the road, I carry the connection utility disk so that if i need to get something off a computer or put something on one, i can install the utils and via a USB to serial dongle, do the transfer. Never been stuck unable to communicate yet. For unix machines, there's a terminal emulator and ftp.

  20. Looks like by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another example of taking all the shortcomings of a handheld device and mixing them with the shortcomings of a laptop.

    In the real world I can't use this thing (or anything similar) in the field until I can make it through an 8 hour day of moderate to heavy use (outside away from power) without the battery going dead on me. And guess what, add the "wonders" of wireless network connectivity and GPS (2 important things for us people that have a userbase that works outside) -- and the 2 hour battery life will be at at about 60 to 75 Minutes. (I know to some of you that would constitute a full work day....but it is still not good enough for me)

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  21. My uses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will soon be buying a handtop. I haven't decided on the OQO or the Sony yet.

    Things I'll do with it:

    - At home/work it can dock and be my primary pc. (obviously not my gaming machine though).

    - Also at home, undocked, it's a home entertainment controller/IM client/casual browser and note-taker.

    - In the car it's a GPS navigation system (bluetooth would definitely be nice here). Handtops are the same form factor as those crazy-expensive in-dash navigation systems.

    - Everywhere else it's a portable media player. I can sync it with my HTPC and watch all my tv during those gaps of, normally wasted, time during the day.

    I can't wait!

  22. Where is Apple? by Bodhammer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Take: 1 Newton 2100 for HWR Quality

    2 CompactFlash slots for Music and Storage (microdrives must be supported)

    1 Zaurus SL-C3000 (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/15/linux_4gb _hdd_pda/) for form factor, bright touchscreen display, keyboard, NetBSD/FreeBsd/OsX (or linux)

    add Ethernet, and 802.11b/g, USB 2.0

    Full day battery(8 hrs) battery life with user replacable, standard AA NiMH batteries

    Support, source code, and a vendor supported dev. community

    Stir Vigoriously, pour into a sub $600 package

    Sell hundreds of thousands of units!!!

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    1. Re:Where is Apple? by Raptor+CK · · Score: 1

      I notice that you failed to mention weight, screen resolution, and exact size into consideration.

      This is a good thing, as I have no idea how you would power a handheld with these requirements for 8 hours using only two AA NiMH cells, so you're clearly accounting for an extra 14 cells strapped to it.

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    2. Re:Where is Apple? by Bodhammer · · Score: 1
      RTFP: 1 Zaurus SL-C3000 (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/15/linux_4gb _hdd_pda/) for form factor, bright touchscreen display, keyboard

      Sharp is saying 7 hours for the SL-C3000 (http://www.engadget.com/entry/9534321442142743/ ) with a 1700mA battery. I have 2200mA AA batteries right now.

      Are you trolling?

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    3. Re:Where is Apple? by Raptor+CK · · Score: 1

      SL-C3000 power consumption: 3.2 Watts. Without 802.11b/g. With an unknown number of hours to back that up, but we'll assume that 7 is correct. That's 22.4 Watt-hours from that one cell.

      2200 mA NiMH AA @ 1.25 V: 2.75 Watts. Using a sample of Powerex 2200 mA cells with a tested mAh rating of about 2070
      mAh, this brings one cell to about 2.6 Watt-hours. So, to match the 3.7 volts of the SL-C3000's battery pack, you'll need 3 AA's in serial, for a total watt-hour delivery of about 7.8 Watt-hours, giving you a battery life of about 2 hours and 25 minutes.

      So, 9 AA cells should just about do the trick. 3 parallel banks of 3 AAs in series, just to match the one fairly small Li-Ion pack.

      And again, that's without the 802.11b/g you added to the spec.

      I carry NiMH cells all the time. They're what I use in my camera. There's just no way I'm loading that many cells into my PDA, boombox-style, even if I have a 12-cell charger at home.

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      Raptor
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  23. add pearPC and voila, new Newton by cmstar · · Score: 1

    ...I can't afford one, so I'll just pass my idea on.

    1. Install streamlined Linux distro.
    2. Install PearPC.
    3. Install Mac OS X in PearPC.
    4. Sell/use as a New Newton with Inkwell.
    5. ????
    6. Profit.
    _________________________________________ _______
    Gratis is now giving away iPod Photo's. Got my
    4Gen iPod two weeks ago, now getting a photo.

    http://www.freephotoiPods.com/?r=11380836

  24. Fucking Spam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Down with slashdot, pay-site of incompetent editors and advertising disguised as articles! What do they pay you for this shit, Taco? Or do you just get to fuck them up the ass for an hour? You suck and the other editors swallow!

  25. Actually... by Kiyooka · · Score: 1

    I live in Vancouver, BC. But i guess that doesn't matter, since you sound quite proud of your arrogance.

    1. Re:Actually... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So, you actually think that everyone takes the subway, and can relate to your experience?

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    2. Re:Actually... by Kiyooka · · Score: 1

      So, you actually think that nobody takes the subway, and can't relate to my experience?

    3. Re:Actually... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Not many people. Certainly not enough to make a passing statement about it with the assumption that everyone does it. Only in a few cities do subway systems exist. And having lived in Tokyo for a year, with its vaunted public transportation, I can say that having a car is much better.

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    4. Re:Actually... by Kiyooka · · Score: 1

      Let's just cut to the chase: what's your problem?

      First of all, yes, I did make a general statement, but one that's defendable. Even if people don't ride in a subway system per se, they might be taking a bus, or taxi, or shuttlebus, or bicycle, or whatever else. But who gives a shit? I was just trying to imagine what uses some people might have for this device, so why are you so preoccupied on this technicality? Why don't you start arguing about how some people are unemployed, and therefore might not be going to "work" per se? Or how about deaf people? Am I being a bigoted "eastern european" (where the hell did that come from anyway?) bastard for assuming that everyone can hear mp3s?

      For christ's sake, I was just giving a casual example on a small 30-second post for an article on slashdot, not presenting a dissertation, so get a life, quit wasting my time, and let's move the fuck on already.