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The Continued Advance of VoIP

A reader writes: "With the recent VoIP ruling from the FCC, it appears that the playing field in the US is ready for take off. There's been some more coverage on that, but companies are begining to wonder about how to manage all of this - but PMC-Sierra (one of the big chip makers) has announced additional support for it."

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  1. Who on slashdot needs a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The girl you fantasize about WON'T call you.

  2. It's time by rewt66 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to sell your stock in long-distance companies...

  3. Riding the VOIP wave by aacool · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've had VOIP from Lingo for 3 months now - $19.99 per month - free US & Europe - couldnt live without it. I cancelled my landline after a week. Very satisfied and referred VOIP to many people.

    My company has been on VOIP globally for a while now. Definitely reaching critical mass now.

    The system would not work outside the Western world, though, with the spotty coverage, limited bandwidth and power (electricity) problems that do exist.

    1. Re:Riding the VOIP wave by fiji · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Surprisingly there are a bunch of low cost carriers who route their calls over VoIP when going overseas so they can fit more calls into the same pipe. A lot of said countries are in the third world. Of course, whether you can get decent IP service when you don't have leased T1s is a different story :-)

      Anyway, you can test your VoIP quality from anywhere with IP and a Java-enabled browser at http://testyourvoip.com/ if you are concerned about your IP quality not being up to snuff, or if you want to see how it is and you are in the wilds of Africa... but have IP connectivity.

      -ben

  4. Bandwidth too please by Magickcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless more basic infrastructure impovements are made in providing decent bandwidth to these technologies, I'm not likely to enjoy VoIP terribly much.

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  5. Looking at becoming a niche VOIP provider myself.. by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am looking at becoming a niche VOIP provider for certain a few very small niches. THese include people in the US who have no other telephony or internet options other than satelite. I am amazed how a business can spend $6000/yr for telephone charges when they only have one line....

    VOIP has a few problems and there are many environments where I think that conventional circuit-switched connections offer better value, but there are also times where it is completely indispensable.

    However, the rise of VOIP will force, in many places, telecoms to cut costs and become more competitive. THis is extremely good. It will be hard on them because they are used to owning the lines and having monopoly power, and they are no longer a monopoly (they aren't in my county anyway due to the county-owned fiber network which allows a choice of telecom providers and hence lower costs and better choice).

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  6. Re:question regarding 411 and other services. by calibanDNS · · Score: 4, Informative
    I just switched to Time Warner's Digital Phone service, and here's the 411 (pun intended):
    • I have Caller ID and Call waiting standard.
    • I have 911. If the power goes out, the modem has a battery backup that's supposed to last 8 hours. The extra bonus here is that now I can browse the web for an extra 8 hours from my laptops if the power goes out. Once the battery on the modem dies, I have to use my cell or wait or the power to come back on (or rely on my UPS).
    • 411 is like a US$0.03 charge each use, but that includes the operator making the connection.
    • Standard operator services.
    • No long distance charges in the CONUS.
    • Cheaper international calls than with BellSouth.
    • $10/month off my cable internet access.
  7. Voip will be a flash in the pan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is no reason why you need these big companies providing services to you, unless it's just for convienience.

    After all the internet is not a client server model, it's a peer to peer model. Meaning that when your computer is connected to the internet is as much as a part of the internet as any service provider.

    That's why VoIP in it's current form: as a phone call over the internet will die. It's a fine replacement for POTS, but we are capable of so much more.

    Full on video/audio connections are possible with the higher speed connections that DSL/Cable provides, also with the rise of WiFi networks in cities and such you will soon get the same connectivity on a hand-held.

    My personal prediction is that Voip is a flash in the pan technology. A in between technology that will be replaced by something else within 10 years. POTS will outlast it, but only because of the needs of rural people, and that's were VoIP will end up being used, as a interface between the city people with easy access to wifi and rural communities with no such quick and cheap access.

  8. Re:VoIP that interesting? by Paska · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's very interesting, you know why? It saves me over $1000/month on phone bills! I work for a US based company that is located in Australia. Before I was paying Hel$tra $1000US/month for all our phone calls to US/Canada and UK. Now I pay Broadvoice around $70US/month, and I get unlimited calls, I get features I didn't even know existed (E.g. Caller Name) and the best of it all, I don't have to pay Hel$tra one single cent. Also the quality over here is absolutely brilliant, and is far better then my Cell phone and local land line.

  9. LD providers run IP, too by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most of the big long distance companies have their own fiber and use it to carry Internet traffic. Probably most of the bits in this post travelled over those very lines. Let's see:

    $ tracert.exe slashdot.org

    Tracing route to slashdot.org [66.35.250.150]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 10.1.2.1
    2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.20.65.1
    3 270 ms 221 ms 290 ms [redacted]
    4 160 ms 291 ms 260 ms [redacted]
    5 191 ms 230 ms 270 ms tbr1-p012301.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.9]
    6 120 ms 290 ms 200 ms ggr2-p310.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.65]
    7 170 ms 501 ms 200 ms dcr1-so-3-3-0.Chicago.savvis.net [208.175.10.93]
    8 271 ms 250 ms 271 ms dcr2-loopback.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [206.24.210.100]
    9 150 ms 270 ms 281 ms bhr1-pos-0-0.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net [208.172.156.198]
    10 200 ms 270 ms 231 ms csr1-ve243.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net [66.35.194.50]
    11 110 ms 291 ms 280 ms 66.35.212.174
    12 slashdot.org [66.35.250.150] reports: Destination host unreachable.

    Trace complete.
    AT&T. Savvis doesn't appear to be in the long distance business.

    Some smaller outfits just lease capacity or resell it, but they're agile enough to figure out what to do.

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  10. Packet8 rocks by freelunch · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just dumped Voice Pulse. I have had their unlimited plan since April. The quality was good for a few months but has been awful since August. This would happen with or without p2p network activity going on in the background. I even tried their lower bandwidth codecs.

    VP also raised prices from $35 to $38 when Vonage dropped to $25! What price war?

    I have had packet8 for a month. The unlimited service is $20. So far, quality is much better. More impressive is the good quality even with 12 KB/sec of p2p upstream on my cable modem.

  11. What I want to know about VOIP is... by 3770 · · Score: 3, Funny

    What I want to know about VOIP is, how do you pronounce it?

    Vojp? VeeOhhEyePee?

    (Oh, and a gold star to whoever can tell me where this quote is from "I P Freeley". Want a hint? It is phone related.)

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  12. Unmetered phone ... unmetered electric by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How ironic. In the 1960's, there was a big push for all-electric homes (electric heat, electric hot water heaters, electric stoves) because nuclear power promised to make electricity so inexpensive, it wouldn't be worth metering -- we'd all someday just pay a flat monthly rate to keep the grid and the plants maintained.

    Well, we all know how that particular story ended up. But who would have imagined, back in the days of 40 cent per minute interstate calling, that someday telephone service would become so cheap that it wouldn't be worth metering? Unmetered telephone service? Now you're just crazy talking!

    I suppose it's somewhat ironic (in an Alanis Morrisette fashion, not true irony) that it's really just people problems, not technology problems, that we have to solve in order to make these things come true.

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  13. Re:Still not for biz. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are commercial grade services and devices right now and have been available for a while. I am currently using such a service/device to patch in an AT&T multi-line Merlin system into a T1 service. Of course, I don't get ALL the cost benefits of VoIP, but the basic service is basically free for me and long distance is dirt cheap.

  14. Re:Question regarding DSL and VOIP by peter+hoffman · · Score: 3, Informative

    It depends what state you live in. What you are wanting is called "naked" or "dry" DSL. It is available in GA and NC but not SC (yet). I don't know about other states.

  15. Latency, not bandwidth by thpr · · Score: 4, Informative
    Latency is the problem - getting down to the ideal of about 70ms regardless of where in the world you are going is key. This is VERY difficult today, but possible even through a very narrow pipe (128K) with quality that rivals (or even beats) current "carrier grade" service. Up to 200ms or so is still a doable conversation, over that and you're starting to get a situation where conversation breaks down.

    Note the 70ms comes from the time it takes for voice to travel across a reasonably large room - a delay the human brain will automatically account for without interpreting it as having a lag in the conversation.

  16. It's about business, not technology!!! by thpr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    VoIP was technically possible in 1995 or so. Just like streaming a movie over a high speed Internet connection is theoretically possible today. It just takes time to commercialize. The reason it is getting so much attention now is that: (1) The networking industry is solving the latency problems that plagued voice (2) Advanced audio codecs are providing high quality voice in much smaller packets, improving service levels (3) data traffic dwarfs voice traffic, so it's possible to put the voice onto the network as "high quality traffic" and get the required throughput and completely avoiding the entire telephone network support and infrastructure cost (4) It's cheap as all get out in comparison to PSTN service.

    What will further delay VoIP from entirely killing the PSTN, smong other things, are (1) The vendors (bad vendors!) are doing a Microsoft-like embrace-and-extend of SIP (the session initiation protocol used to set up a VoIP call) (2) Meeting regulations like CALEA (the law enforcement act that gives the government the power to tap the phones) (3) Truly connecting Voice Over IP "islands"... because how to you share IP addresses of phones and maintain privacy (like suppressing caller ID)... and the best savings come when you can remove the PSTN (public switched telephone network) entirely.

  17. You are SOOOO wrong by thpr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Many real companies, governments and other organizations are looking into and deploying Voice over IP. It IS happening.

    As far as disappearing to be replaced by something else, that's a problem too. An analysis of FCC and industry data will show you the lifetime on such telecom equipment is VERY long - in many cases longer than a decade. So it will last, if for no other reason than "something else" isn't that much better, so it doesn't cost justify.

    The real key here is that POTS is in trouble. The number of lines is going down (due to wireless) and the corporations are in a rush to Voice over IP. Why? Becuase it's cheaper, and the amount of voice traffic is now dwarfed by the data traffic. Thus, you can carry the voice traffic on the data network and completely eliminate the voice network. You can even do it with high quality of service for the voice, and it works because it's such a small percentage of the total network traffic. Expect some big announcements over the next year.

    1. Re:You are SOOOO wrong by anon+mouse-cow-aard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't need a provider to do deploy VOIP. The only essential thing that a provider is giving you is an interface into the POTS network. Once everyone is on the internet, you'll just be able to "phone greg@home.com" and a currently non-existent protocol will resolve that to whatever communication Greg has on hand, by talking only with Greg's own equipment, not that of any provider. The internet is Peer 2 Peer.


      Sure, you will still be doing Voice over IP, but it won't be any kind of huge revenue generator for VOIP companies, and, as commercial entities, they will shrivel and die. But I wouldn't worry, they probably have a good ten to twenty years of good times before people figure that out.

    2. Re: You are SOOOO wrong by thpr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I wouldn't worry, they probably have a good ten to twenty years of good times before people figure that out.

      You have more faith than I do. Once we have a way to link the "islands" of Voice over IP that corporations and individuals are creating, I would expect Voice over IP to turn into a product, (think fax machine) rather than a service. Buy a Linksys device from your local electronics store and plug in. There will be NO revenue involved except for the "bit carrier", and that will be a race to the bottom between cable carriers and DSL providers. I would say that happens sooner rather than later. I think 10 years is generous.

  18. Re:but do you have ENHANCED 911? by calibanDNS · · Score: 3, Informative

    You got me curious, so I checked my manual and it turns out that yes, I do have E911 support. Entering your location is part of the modem setup, which the cable guy handled (the manual does show how to confirm it, which I did). Thanks for the heads up, I'd be pretty upset if I dialed 911 while choking or something and they couldn't find me.

  19. Re:VoIP that interesting? by Striikerr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, programs were fine if everyone you wanted to talk to had a computer and if you were willing to use a computer to talk through. VOIP in its current form frees us of this requirement.
    I just recently subscribed to Vonage (a VOIP provider in the USA). Having moved recently from a city in Canada to the USA, I knew my wife and kids would be calling home often, ramping up my phone bills. So, I ordered up my Cable modem, ordered my Vonage and 3 days later opened the box that FedEx dropped off at my place and installed the VOIP router. As it is, you can plug a phone right into the VOIP router's phone jack and start talking but this limits you to the single phone (unless you get the cordless phones with multiple phones and one main base station. What I did was I disconnected the Telco from my local phone loop (the loop of phones in your house that all connect to the telco's line at a box in your basement). I then plugged the VOIP phoen connector into the wall phone jack. Since all phone jacks are on the same circuit, I was able to get dialtone from anywhere in the house. So, my family can use the phones plugged in to any phone jack in the house. (*** It is important that you disconnect the Telco from your phone lines as it could damage the VOIP router).
    One additional feature I ordered with my Vonage is a Virtual phone number. I ordered a phone number which is local to Toronto, Ontario (where I lived) which rings on my phone in the USA. All of my friends and relatives can now call that as a local number and pay no long distance (I can get up to about 4 or 5 virtual numbers in North America). I can call anywhere in the USA and Canada with no long distance. So, I pay $29.95 + about $1.50 tax each month and that's all..

    The other great thing with VOIP is that I can take my router with me on vacation. As long as there's high-speed interent where I am (many hotels offer this), I can plug it in and receive calls made to my home number(s) and place calls as if I were calling from home..

    So yes, VOIP really IS that interesting! I get every feature imaginable (voicemail, caller ID, 3 way calling, call forwarding, etc.) without paying a single penny extra. Wires? The only wires needed are between the cable modem, the VOIP router and a wireless base. Stick them in a corner somewhere if ya want!