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The Continued Advance of VoIP

A reader writes: "With the recent VoIP ruling from the FCC, it appears that the playing field in the US is ready for take off. There's been some more coverage on that, but companies are begining to wonder about how to manage all of this - but PMC-Sierra (one of the big chip makers) has announced additional support for it."

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  1. Who on slashdot needs a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The girl you fantasize about WON'T call you.

  2. It's time by rewt66 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to sell your stock in long-distance companies...

  3. Riding the VOIP wave by aacool · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've had VOIP from Lingo for 3 months now - $19.99 per month - free US & Europe - couldnt live without it. I cancelled my landline after a week. Very satisfied and referred VOIP to many people.

    My company has been on VOIP globally for a while now. Definitely reaching critical mass now.

    The system would not work outside the Western world, though, with the spotty coverage, limited bandwidth and power (electricity) problems that do exist.

  4. Bandwidth too please by Magickcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless more basic infrastructure impovements are made in providing decent bandwidth to these technologies, I'm not likely to enjoy VoIP terribly much.

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  5. Looking at becoming a niche VOIP provider myself.. by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am looking at becoming a niche VOIP provider for certain a few very small niches. THese include people in the US who have no other telephony or internet options other than satelite. I am amazed how a business can spend $6000/yr for telephone charges when they only have one line....

    VOIP has a few problems and there are many environments where I think that conventional circuit-switched connections offer better value, but there are also times where it is completely indispensable.

    However, the rise of VOIP will force, in many places, telecoms to cut costs and become more competitive. THis is extremely good. It will be hard on them because they are used to owning the lines and having monopoly power, and they are no longer a monopoly (they aren't in my county anyway due to the county-owned fiber network which allows a choice of telecom providers and hence lower costs and better choice).

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  6. Re:question regarding 411 and other services. by calibanDNS · · Score: 4, Informative
    I just switched to Time Warner's Digital Phone service, and here's the 411 (pun intended):
    • I have Caller ID and Call waiting standard.
    • I have 911. If the power goes out, the modem has a battery backup that's supposed to last 8 hours. The extra bonus here is that now I can browse the web for an extra 8 hours from my laptops if the power goes out. Once the battery on the modem dies, I have to use my cell or wait or the power to come back on (or rely on my UPS).
    • 411 is like a US$0.03 charge each use, but that includes the operator making the connection.
    • Standard operator services.
    • No long distance charges in the CONUS.
    • Cheaper international calls than with BellSouth.
    • $10/month off my cable internet access.
  7. Re:VoIP that interesting? by Paska · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's very interesting, you know why? It saves me over $1000/month on phone bills! I work for a US based company that is located in Australia. Before I was paying Hel$tra $1000US/month for all our phone calls to US/Canada and UK. Now I pay Broadvoice around $70US/month, and I get unlimited calls, I get features I didn't even know existed (E.g. Caller Name) and the best of it all, I don't have to pay Hel$tra one single cent. Also the quality over here is absolutely brilliant, and is far better then my Cell phone and local land line.

  8. LD providers run IP, too by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most of the big long distance companies have their own fiber and use it to carry Internet traffic. Probably most of the bits in this post travelled over those very lines. Let's see:

    $ tracert.exe slashdot.org

    Tracing route to slashdot.org [66.35.250.150]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 10.1.2.1
    2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.20.65.1
    3 270 ms 221 ms 290 ms [redacted]
    4 160 ms 291 ms 260 ms [redacted]
    5 191 ms 230 ms 270 ms tbr1-p012301.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.9]
    6 120 ms 290 ms 200 ms ggr2-p310.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.65]
    7 170 ms 501 ms 200 ms dcr1-so-3-3-0.Chicago.savvis.net [208.175.10.93]
    8 271 ms 250 ms 271 ms dcr2-loopback.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [206.24.210.100]
    9 150 ms 270 ms 281 ms bhr1-pos-0-0.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net [208.172.156.198]
    10 200 ms 270 ms 231 ms csr1-ve243.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net [66.35.194.50]
    11 110 ms 291 ms 280 ms 66.35.212.174
    12 slashdot.org [66.35.250.150] reports: Destination host unreachable.

    Trace complete.
    AT&T. Savvis doesn't appear to be in the long distance business.

    Some smaller outfits just lease capacity or resell it, but they're agile enough to figure out what to do.

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  9. Unmetered phone ... unmetered electric by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How ironic. In the 1960's, there was a big push for all-electric homes (electric heat, electric hot water heaters, electric stoves) because nuclear power promised to make electricity so inexpensive, it wouldn't be worth metering -- we'd all someday just pay a flat monthly rate to keep the grid and the plants maintained.

    Well, we all know how that particular story ended up. But who would have imagined, back in the days of 40 cent per minute interstate calling, that someday telephone service would become so cheap that it wouldn't be worth metering? Unmetered telephone service? Now you're just crazy talking!

    I suppose it's somewhat ironic (in an Alanis Morrisette fashion, not true irony) that it's really just people problems, not technology problems, that we have to solve in order to make these things come true.

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  10. Re:Still not for biz. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are commercial grade services and devices right now and have been available for a while. I am currently using such a service/device to patch in an AT&T multi-line Merlin system into a T1 service. Of course, I don't get ALL the cost benefits of VoIP, but the basic service is basically free for me and long distance is dirt cheap.

  11. Latency, not bandwidth by thpr · · Score: 4, Informative
    Latency is the problem - getting down to the ideal of about 70ms regardless of where in the world you are going is key. This is VERY difficult today, but possible even through a very narrow pipe (128K) with quality that rivals (or even beats) current "carrier grade" service. Up to 200ms or so is still a doable conversation, over that and you're starting to get a situation where conversation breaks down.

    Note the 70ms comes from the time it takes for voice to travel across a reasonably large room - a delay the human brain will automatically account for without interpreting it as having a lag in the conversation.

  12. It's about business, not technology!!! by thpr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    VoIP was technically possible in 1995 or so. Just like streaming a movie over a high speed Internet connection is theoretically possible today. It just takes time to commercialize. The reason it is getting so much attention now is that: (1) The networking industry is solving the latency problems that plagued voice (2) Advanced audio codecs are providing high quality voice in much smaller packets, improving service levels (3) data traffic dwarfs voice traffic, so it's possible to put the voice onto the network as "high quality traffic" and get the required throughput and completely avoiding the entire telephone network support and infrastructure cost (4) It's cheap as all get out in comparison to PSTN service.

    What will further delay VoIP from entirely killing the PSTN, smong other things, are (1) The vendors (bad vendors!) are doing a Microsoft-like embrace-and-extend of SIP (the session initiation protocol used to set up a VoIP call) (2) Meeting regulations like CALEA (the law enforcement act that gives the government the power to tap the phones) (3) Truly connecting Voice Over IP "islands"... because how to you share IP addresses of phones and maintain privacy (like suppressing caller ID)... and the best savings come when you can remove the PSTN (public switched telephone network) entirely.

  13. You are SOOOO wrong by thpr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Many real companies, governments and other organizations are looking into and deploying Voice over IP. It IS happening.

    As far as disappearing to be replaced by something else, that's a problem too. An analysis of FCC and industry data will show you the lifetime on such telecom equipment is VERY long - in many cases longer than a decade. So it will last, if for no other reason than "something else" isn't that much better, so it doesn't cost justify.

    The real key here is that POTS is in trouble. The number of lines is going down (due to wireless) and the corporations are in a rush to Voice over IP. Why? Becuase it's cheaper, and the amount of voice traffic is now dwarfed by the data traffic. Thus, you can carry the voice traffic on the data network and completely eliminate the voice network. You can even do it with high quality of service for the voice, and it works because it's such a small percentage of the total network traffic. Expect some big announcements over the next year.