Posted by
timothy
on from the sane-versioning-system-is-a-plus dept.
Dreadlord writes "Gentoo has released 2004.3 for x86, amd64, hppa, ppc, sparc, and an initial release for ppc64. You can read the information page, the changelog, or go straight to the mirrors, or better yet, the torrents."
Just stressing..
by
iswm
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· Score: 4, Informative
That this is just a new version of the LiveCD. No need to reinstall the core system.
-- Buckethead
Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO
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mrchaotica
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· Score: 4, Funny
Nice troll. I'm sure with you as his guide, he'll have much fun reinstalling and then ending up with THE EXACT SAME SOFTWARE!
--
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
What I wish Gentoo had
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Interesting
It's been awhile since I used gentoo-- the computer I had it installed on physically broke a few months ago-- but the thing I really wished for when I last used it was some sort of way to figure out, when you've installed a package, what is the first thing you do to make it work? Like, some sort of emerge info packagename command. I would install ircd and go "okay, i have ircd installed on my computer... now what? is it configured for me? is it enabled?" and not have any idea what to do except try to poke through the only-sometimes-relevant gzipped files in/usr/doc or whereever.
Re:Obligatory Gentoo Joke
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BlindSpy
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· Score: 5, Informative
these are only the versions of the live CD. Your actual Gentoo install has no version number because its always the latest. So regardless if you used 2004.0 or 2004.3 to install - you ultimately have the same version after you've completely installed.
-- Whoever dies with the most toys wins.
Someone's got to say it
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Stevyn
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· Score: 5, Informative
Before all the dumb jokes start, here's what this means:
If you want to install Gentoo for the first time, you can download a bunch of precompiled packages and complete an installation in a few hours or so, probably less.
If you already have Gentoo on your system, this won't mean much since you can update the everything by with the command(s) "#emerge sync; emerge -uDp world"
This does not mean everyone with Gentoo is going to be compiling for days. You're still stuck with us for a while.
Re:Someone's got to say it
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solarium_rider
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· Score: 5, Informative
actually, no need to do both commands anymore.
With the latest version of portage, you can just run
# emerge -uDa world
The -a is short for --ask. That will ask you if you really want to emerge the listed packages.
-- --
How many sigs are as useless as this one?
Why announce new Gentoo releases??
by
riprjak
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Since I could install from 1.2 and after my emerge sync emerge world at the end would be as up to date as someone who used 2004.3.
Gentoo linux simply does not, now or ever, warrant release notification. It is released and will remain so; up to date today, regardless. This is why I choose it...
However, release announces are no better that SCO stories, redundant and old news.
just my $0.02.
err! jak
Icon?
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Slashdot Editors,
Since every other Linux distribution under the sun has their own Slashdot icon, how about providing one for Gentoo as well?
I just wish that they would use the wacky gentoo penguin rather than the 'g' logo.
Speaking of the wacky gentoo penguin. Does anyone else find it strangely similar to this?
-- badness 10000
Jiminy Krikes!!!
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 4, Funny
Did you see that version number?!? These guys are WAY ahead of the others!
Why all this hate? D:
by
talornin
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· Score: 5, Insightful
I wonder why so many non-gentoo user goes out of their way to flame gentoo because you have to compile everything from source. If you dont like it, dont use it. I like it, I use it. This is almost like Linux VS BSD:(
-- When in danger, whewn in doubt! Run in circles, scream and shout!
For those who think `emerge sync && emerge -uD world` will update your system:
Don't forget to update the/etc/make.profile link after an `emerge sync`. The sync will place the new profile in/usr/portage/profiles. From the Gentoo Upgrading Guide:
substitute $arch with your arch # rm/etc/make.profile # ln -s../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/$arch/2004.3/etc/make.profile
--
http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/
Can people stoping saying
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Gentoo is faster than the other distros, yes it is in many cases, but in many others it is not.
This myth that gentoo is some kind of speed demon is just stupid, it's about as fast as all the others give and take etc. etc.
The real benefit of gentoo is in that it teaches people how to put together a gentoo system, it's a learning experience of a sort.
But fanboys who trick noobs into using it for the speed shouldn't do so, it's not.
And also fanboys who try to claim that a hand built distro like that should be used in PRODUCTION servers (I believe there is a company set up by gentoo users to peddle this idea) is just insance.
The WHOLE point of a production server is that it has been tested THOUSANDS of times in a given configuration. Production has always meant, and always will mean a trade-off between the latest and stability.
To try and claim that you can run your server with some loopy custom compilations and expect to be able to get support for it is just ridiculous. The extra money spent on getting all this hand-craftednes should just be spent on a beefier server.
And as gentoo doesn't actually offer a definitive speed-gain, just spending $30 to get to the next CPU catergory up with 5% more performance will decimate any speed advantage created by the gentoo system optimizations.
please, stop the astro turfing, gentoo is great from a system design perspective, customisation and learning about linux. But it is not, and cannot (nothing can) be ALL pros and no cons. Be suspicious of any fanboy who says so because making those claims about ANY distro is just peddling snake-oil.
Compile...?
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tanveer1979
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· Score: 4, Informative
Umm, Compiling everything is this big misconception. There are prebuilt binary packages available for most common applications for most architechtures. Infact if gentoo binary package is not there, there is a fair chance you will not get the binary package for other distros as well. I am using gentoo on my AMD64, and i do not want to go back to any other distro.
But then its always a matter of choice. And if the only reason of you not using gentoo is compiling everything from source, then its the wrong reason.
-- My Aurora : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o91ZsGwJYyg
FB : https://www.facebook.com/TanveersPhotography
Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO
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qtothemax
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· Score: 4, Informative
The big question... does it actually work and take care of everything?
Yes. The only other thing you might want to do (though its usually not necessary) is to update the profile. After an emerge -u world, everything will be current. With gentoo version numbers mean next to nothing. New versions are usually just updates to the installer livecd itself to fix bugs and support more hardware. The packages are updated constantly, not just when new gentoo releases come out.
Re:version dependencies
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NotoriousQ
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· Score: 5, Informative
To add to this, there are two modes of masking:
the hard mask -- which means that the package maintainer does not deem the package to be safe at all.
the ~ mask -- which is the unstable package. You can tell the emerge system that you wish to have the unstable system, in which case it will ignore the ~ mask.
Also, there is such a thing as profiles. They have things such as the version of gcc and glibc that your system uses. If you chose the right profile, you can continue building the system with gcc 2.95. Although the packages are not well tested with it, and no one wants to specifically check and mask each package with older profiles.
I'm sure you know it's source based by the dozens of +5 Funny's..
What's good? The package system is transparent and extremely hackable. If you don't touch it, it works just like apt or yum. But if you want to make a change, its extremely easy to pop the ebuild in vim and change it, or fork your own version. Also very easy to produce a "package" for any specific version you like, often as simple as renaming a file.
What's bad? Initial installation takes a while (I can get a useable box in ~ 3 hours. Gnome & co take the longest). Not recommended for slow computers (anything made in the last four years ought to be fine) due to frequent code compilation. Portage moves very very fast. Lots of new versions released every week.
I run it everywhere, including this here Toshiba Tecra S-1 notebook.
First off, I had submitted Slashdot an official press release which was much more verbose and gave a nice list of reasons for the release and things changed since the last release, but since the editors are a bunch of tools and don't pay attention to what they're adding to the site, it all got lost.
Anyway, for the x86 platform, the primary reason for the getting a newer release is improved hardware support. The newer LiveCD for x86 supports the new Dell EM64T machines and also has vastly improved SATA support over previous releases. This is also the first release where all of the arch teams worked very closely together throughout the entire release process. This is also our first official PPC64 release. The submitter of this story also completely missed the fact that we have a new Alpha release under/experimental, and you can also find embedded stages for arm, mips, ppc, and x86 under/experimental.
Slashdot Mirror
That this is just a new version of the LiveCD. No need to reinstall the core system.
Buckethead
Nice troll. I'm sure with you as his guide, he'll have much fun reinstalling and then ending up with THE EXACT SAME SOFTWARE!
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
It's been awhile since I used gentoo-- the computer I had it installed on physically broke a few months ago-- but the thing I really wished for when I last used it was some sort of way to figure out, when you've installed a package, what is the first thing you do to make it work? Like, some sort of emerge info packagename command. I would install ircd and go "okay, i have ircd installed on my computer... now what? is it configured for me? is it enabled?" and not have any idea what to do except try to poke through the only-sometimes-relevant gzipped files in /usr/doc or whereever.
these are only the versions of the live CD. Your actual Gentoo install has no version number because its always the latest. So regardless if you used 2004.0 or 2004.3 to install - you ultimately have the same version after you've completely installed.
Whoever dies with the most toys wins.
Before all the dumb jokes start, here's what this means:
If you want to install Gentoo for the first time, you can download a bunch of precompiled packages and complete an installation in a few hours or so, probably less.
If you already have Gentoo on your system, this won't mean much since you can update the everything by with the command(s) "#emerge sync; emerge -uDp world"
This does not mean everyone with Gentoo is going to be compiling for days. You're still stuck with us for a while.
Since I could install from 1.2 and after my emerge sync emerge world at the end would be as up to date as someone who used 2004.3.
Gentoo linux simply does not, now or ever, warrant release notification. It is released and will remain so; up to date today, regardless. This is why I choose it...
However, release announces are no better that SCO stories, redundant and old news.
just my $0.02.
err!
jak
Slashdot Editors,
Since every other Linux distribution under the sun has their own Slashdot icon, how about providing one for Gentoo as well?
Thanks.
Did you see that version number?!? These guys are WAY ahead of the others!
I wonder why so many non-gentoo user goes out of their way to flame gentoo because you have to compile everything from source. If you dont like it, dont use it. I like it, I use it. This is almost like Linux VS BSD :(
When in danger, whewn in doubt! Run in circles, scream and shout!
emerge sync && emerge -uD world
There was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never-ever land.
For those who think `emerge sync && emerge -uD world` will update your system:
/etc/make.profile link after an `emerge sync`. The sync will place the new profile in /usr/portage/profiles. From the Gentoo Upgrading Guide:
/etc/make.profile ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/$arch/2004.3 /etc/make.profile
Don't forget to update the
substitute $arch with your arch
# rm
# ln -s
http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/
Gentoo is faster than the other distros, yes it is in many cases, but in many others it is not.
This myth that gentoo is some kind of speed demon is just stupid, it's about as fast as all the others give and take etc. etc.
The real benefit of gentoo is in that it teaches people how to put together a gentoo system, it's a learning experience of a sort.
But fanboys who trick noobs into using it for the speed shouldn't do so, it's not.
And also fanboys who try to claim that a hand built distro like that should be used in PRODUCTION servers (I believe there is a company set up by gentoo users to peddle this idea) is just insance.
The WHOLE point of a production server is that it has been tested THOUSANDS of times in a given configuration. Production has always meant, and always will mean a trade-off between the latest and stability.
To try and claim that you can run your server with some loopy custom compilations and expect to be able to get support for it is just ridiculous. The extra money spent on getting all this hand-craftednes should just be spent on a beefier server.
And as gentoo doesn't actually offer a definitive speed-gain, just spending $30 to get to the next CPU catergory up with 5% more performance will decimate any speed advantage created by the gentoo system optimizations.
please, stop the astro turfing, gentoo is great from a system design perspective, customisation and learning about linux. But it is not, and cannot (nothing can) be ALL pros and no cons. Be suspicious of any fanboy who says so because making those claims about ANY distro is just peddling snake-oil.
But then its always a matter of choice. And if the only reason of you not using gentoo is compiling everything from source, then its the wrong reason.
My Aurora : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o91ZsGwJYyg
FB : https://www.facebook.com/TanveersPhotography
The big question... does it actually work and take care of everything?
Yes. The only other thing you might want to do (though its usually not necessary) is to update the profile. After an emerge -u world, everything will be current. With gentoo version numbers mean next to nothing. New versions are usually just updates to the installer livecd itself to fix bugs and support more hardware. The packages are updated constantly, not just when new gentoo releases come out.
To add to this, there are two modes of masking:
the hard mask -- which means that the package maintainer does not deem the package to be safe at all.
the ~ mask -- which is the unstable package. You can tell the emerge system that you wish to have the unstable system, in which case it will ignore the ~ mask.
Also, there is such a thing as profiles. They have things such as the version of gcc and glibc that your system uses. If you chose the right profile, you can continue building the system with gcc 2.95. Although the packages are not well tested with it, and no one wants to specifically check and mask each package with older profiles.
badness 10000
I'm sure you know it's source based by the dozens of +5 Funny's..
What's good? The package system is transparent and extremely hackable. If you don't touch it, it works just like apt or yum. But if you want to make a change, its extremely easy to pop the ebuild in vim and change it, or fork your own version. Also very easy to produce a "package" for any specific version you like, often as simple as renaming a file.
What's bad? Initial installation takes a while (I can get a useable box in ~ 3 hours. Gnome & co take the longest). Not recommended for slow computers (anything made in the last four years ought to be fine) due to frequent code compilation. Portage moves very very fast. Lots of new versions released every week.
I run it everywhere, including this here Toshiba Tecra S-1 notebook.
No, I did not read the f***ing article!
BTW, this is probably why you should do it per hand
First off, I had submitted Slashdot an official press release which was much more verbose and gave a nice list of reasons for the release and things changed since the last release, but since the editors are a bunch of tools and don't pay attention to what they're adding to the site, it all got lost.
Anyway, for the x86 platform, the primary reason for the getting a newer release is improved hardware support. The newer LiveCD for x86 supports the new Dell EM64T machines and also has vastly improved SATA support over previous releases. This is also the first release where all of the arch teams worked very closely together throughout the entire release process. This is also our first official PPC64 release. The submitter of this story also completely missed the fact that we have a new Alpha release under /experimental, and you can also find embedded stages for arm, mips, ppc, and x86 under /experimental.