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Nimble, Excel-Compatible Spreadsheets for *nix?

linguae writes "I'm running a FreeBSD desktop on a PC that has a 475MHz K6-2 processor with 64MB RAM. I use lightweight programs on my desktop such as Window Maker, AbiWord, and Firefox. I have been looking for a decent yet lightweight (and preferably Open Source) spreadsheet that is compatible with Excel, and also doesn't rely on dependencies such as GNOME or Java. I'm not an Excel power user, but sometimes I do have to share spreadsheets every now and then. I wonder if there is a spreadsheet equivalent of Abiword?"

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  1. nimble spreadsheet by lscoughlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gnumeric is about as close as you're going to get.

    It's really quite nice...

    I'm not sure if it still has any gnome dependencies or not.

    But really
    abiWord:word::gnumeric:excel

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    1. Re:nimble spreadsheet by squant0 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'll second Gnumeric for being a quality spreadsheet app. I like it better then OpenOffice as its quicker starting up and the interface easier IMHO.

      Linux From Scratch lists depends on its site, as well as build instructions: Gnumeric-1.2.10

      It seems to depend on a bit of Gnome-ish things. But having some Gnome stuff isn't a bad idea, and you don't _NEED_ all of Gnome for it to work.

    2. Re:nimble spreadsheet by Apreche · · Score: 2, Interesting

      gnumerc is it, and everybody knows it. You don't have to have gnome in order to use it. But you do need GTK, which you have because you use abiword. And you have to have libgsf which has to be built with gnome support, but gnome itself is not really needed. If you use gentoo all this means is you have to put on the gnome use flag for just the libgsf package and gnumeric will work. You don't need to emerge gnome.

      Is that clear enough? I hope you understand.

      Hey, you can always use moodss, the module object oriented dynamic spreadsheet. Or you can use sc, which is curses based. But then, you might as well use visicalc.

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    3. Re:nimble spreadsheet by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nothing with a learning curve is ready Grandma, even Windows. That's what grandchildren are for.

    4. Re:nimble spreadsheet by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is why Linux isn't ready for grandma.

      The original Ask /. was from a BSD user. BSD is not Linux.
      There are lots of spreadsheets which grandma can use on linux just as easily as excel on windows, but not on a PC that has a 475MHz K6-2 processor with 64MB RAM (read the original question). Actually, quite a few spreadsheets will run on a PC that has a 475MHz K6-2 processor with 64MB RAM. Will windows XP? XP is not ready for grandma if she owns a PC that has a 475MHz K6-2 processor with 64MB RAM.

      The specs of the original question can run windows 98 with excel 97 quite nicely. It can also run FreeBSD with Gnumeric and Abiword quite nicely too. It can't run XP, or recent KDE or Gnome very well though.

      I know, IHBT.

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  2. OpenOffice by seinman · · Score: 4, Informative

    OpenOffice runs on my P1/150mhz system with 48 megs of RAM. It starts up a little slow (30 seconds or so) but once it's going, has no problems. You can do a custom install so that you can use only the spreadsheet program without taking up the HD space on the word processor and presenation programs.

    1. Re:OpenOffice by cjpez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OpenOffice ran well enough on my P2/450Mhz system way back when. I would assume that by now they've made some kind of performance improvements to it too. Granted, it's not really what you would call "lightweight" but it'll get the job done, and it should be good performance-wise.

    2. Re:OpenOffice by eviljolly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've also used OpenOffice on a low end machine (333mhz Windows NT 128MB/ram), and it ran just as well as Excel. I would suggest giving it a try.

  3. Firefox lightweight? by damiangerous · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I use lightweight programs on my desktop such as Window Maker, AbiWord, and Firefox.

    Firefox is far from lightweight. It's a great program and all, but lightweight is the last word I'd use. Granted I don't use Windows, so maybe it's relative. I would say that Firefox is the single biggest resource sucking app I run on a regular basis. Not to mention it seems to have some sort of memory leak that makes me eventually have to close it (or it crashes).

    1. Re:Firefox lightweight? by DAldredge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      url:http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#ot h_memcache?

      Turn down the memory cache. Follow the steps at the link above and then fully restart firefox. It will make a huge difference.

      Their are a lot of config hacks at that link that will let you do a lot on really neat stuff.

  4. A fair few actually... by polyp2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Spreadsheets/

    An amazing tool google ... you ought to try it sometime....

    OTOH Gnumeric and / or OOo would be a good place to start. OOo xls compatibility is very good in my experience. Havent used Gnumeric for a while last time (several yrs ago) its xls compatibility was a tad ropey - Im sure its improved by now though!

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  5. sc -- for super lightweight... by runswithd6s · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Check out sc. Debian package information follows:
    Package: sc
    Status: install ok installed
    Priority: optional
    Section: math
    Installed-Size: 428
    Maintainer: Adam Majer <adamm@galacticasoftware.com>
    Architecture: i386
    Version: 7.16-2
    Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1)
    Description: Text-based spreadsheet with VI-like keybindings
    "Spreadsheet Calculator" is a much modified version of the public-
    domain spread sheet sc, which was posted to Usenet several years ago
    by Mark Weiser as vc, originally by James Gosling. It is based on
    rectangular table much like a financial spreadsheet.
    .
    Its keybindings are familiar to users of 'vi', and it has most
    features that a pure spreadsheet would, but lacks things like
    graphing and saving in foreign formats. It's very stable and quite
    easy to use once you've put a little effort into learning it.
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  6. Have you looked at an old program called Cliq? by cypherz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, its not open source, but a globe-spanning company I used to work for did all of its office work with a unix office suite (CHUI interface!) called Cliq.
    Don't know if its still available, used to be about 30 bucks US a seat. Had a nice spreadsheet program (which was probably the best part of the suite). Maybe they have an X version now, I haven't look at Cliq in about 3 years. URL for Cliq:
    http://www.dr-quad.com/products.htm
    HTH

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  7. Gnumeric by cbr2702 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm not sure if it still has any gnome dependencies or not.

    fullyautomatix root # emerge -p gnumeric | grep gnome
    [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/libgsf-1.9.0
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.4.0
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.6.2
    [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.2.3
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.6.1.1
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.6.2
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.10.3
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.6.2
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.6.2
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.1
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.6.1.1
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.6.1.1-r1
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.6.1
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.2.1
    [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.6.1.1
    [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.6.2

    So it doesn't have the major gnome dependencies, but it has a few.

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  8. OO and Spreadsheet::ParseExcel (mostly OT) by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me, or does Open Office write something into its Excel-formatted files that breaks the Spreadsheet::ParseExcel package on CPAN?

    I find that some cells return the content type rather than the content when retrieving $cell->Value
    (e.g., "GENERAL" rather than "foo", which is the cell contents).

    If I use a spreadsheet saved from Excel it works; if I read it into OO, and save it out, I experience the problem.

    This is under Perl 5.8.1mumble on Mac OS X.

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  9. Re:off topic, about your sig by cbr2702 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm generally a cautious person, and the bargain-basement price clenched the deal.

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  10. GNOME Depends are optional in next release by Jody+Goldberg · · Score: 4, Informative

    The upcoming 1.4.0 release (due in the next few days) supports a --without-gnome configure time option that decreases functionality (no gnome-vfs means no direct http support), but still works nicely as a spreadsheet. We use this for our win32 port.

  11. Use Open Office 2.0 snapshots by JPyObjC+Dude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use open office 1.9.58. Its just a developer snapshot build but the improvements in 2.0 makes switching very easy. In particular, right clicks now first sets focus to event target before opening contextual menu (similar to Excel). It also includes format painter which is a great tool if you spend much time making your spreadsheets look nicer.

    If you are a hacker, Open Office also has language bindings to Java, Python, C++, JavaScript and many others so you can build some powerful applications and do things that is possible in Excel but the code would be very obfuscated and unreadable as is expected with M$ objects and VB API's.

    I am a power user of spreadsheets being a heavy user of Lotus 123 back in the early 90's and was switched to excel 5.0 back in 94 I think.

    OOO 2.0 looks extremely promissing and aparently they are putting in alot of performance improvements as well.

    Just remember, these 2.0 snapshots are intended for developers and you may get crashes (Although since about 1.9.4n I have not had many at all).

    JsD

  12. DOSEmu by SirPrize · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about DOSEmu running an old version of Lotus 1-2-3 or Quatro Pro? :-) Excel (with the proper file filters installed) can read and write to them, last I checked. And I can't imagine DOSEmu to be too resource intensive

  13. Actually, Gnumeric *is* much better by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 3, Informative
    Another option for spreadsheets on *BSD, besides Gnumeric, would be OpenOffice.org Calc.

    But Gnumeric is a very good choice. Here is a detailed write up of Gnumeric. The Computational Statistics & Data Analysis Statistical Software Newsletter has a report reviewing Gnumeric vs MS-Excel titled Fixing Statistical Errors in Spreadsheet Software: The Cases of Gnumeric and Excel (Warning for PDF) Regardless, of which spreadsheet you use, it's worth a read. Some excerpts:

    When apprised of the errors in v1.0.4, the developers of Gnumeric indicated that they would try to fix the errors. Indeed, Gnumeric v1.1.2 has largely fixed the flaws, while Microsoft has not fixed its errors through many successive versions.
    ...
    Persons who desire to use a spreadsheet package to perfome statistical analyses are advised to use Gnumeric rather than Excel
    So, actually, Gnumeric *is* currently much better than MS-Excel. At least if the metrics are that it's statistical functions are more accurate and that bugs get fixed faster. I'd speculate that once Quattro was killed off, MS coasted on development of MS-Excel like it has done with MSIE after killing Netscape. Anyway...

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    1. Re:Actually, Gnumeric *is* much better by Otter · · Score: 3, Informative
      So, actually, Gnumeric *is* currently much better than MS-Excel. At least if the metrics are that it's statistical functions are more accurate and that bugs get fixed faster. I'd speculate that once Quattro was killed off, MS coasted on development of MS-Excel like it has done with MSIE after killing Netscape.

      On the contrary, I'd say Excel is by far the best product Microsoft makes, and it keeps getting better. The statistical problems are a legitimate criticism (and Gnumeric should be commended for doing a better job with them) but they mostly involve a few decimal places of accuracy in edge cases that matter to a vanishingly small number of users. The Excel developers haven't been rolling around in piles of money instead of fixing those algorithms -- they've been doing things like making references update seamlessly when a cell is moved, something none of the free spreadsheets comes close to doing.