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What is the Tech Jobs Situation in Late 2004?
CareerConfused asks: "Today I came across an ad in the NY Times, put out by Microsoft, Micron, Level 3 (among others) that claimed that the H-1B visa quota for FY2005 has already expired (it claims the quota expired the first day of FY2005, which started just about a month back). OK. On the one hand, we have
stories of techies not finding jobs; and on the other, we have stories from businesses which claim that lack of H1s is killing their business, as well as public advocacy (like that ad in NYT). So, what is it? Are we in another boom, with jobs going a-begging and companies requiring more H1s to fill them? How come I haven't noticed this in the form of a fatter paycheck (or an Aeron chair, or a fooseball table in the cubicle)?" What have you experienced in your searches for technology-based jobs? Is it still hard to sell your hard-earned skills or are things looking up?
While its one thing to claim that the lack of H1Bs is killing your business because Americans don't want to move to Fort Wayne, Indiana. It's quite another to say that you can't find a job in Silicon Valley. What's needed is an overall view of how tech jobs are doing across the country. What areas are in desperate need of technical skills and what areas are suffering from a shortage of jobs?
Suck it.
And maybe, just maybe, M$ aren't telling the whole truth about not being able to find people...
Either that, or they they genuinely can't find coders with 10 years experience who will accept $50k/year.
Ok, I'm cynical. So, sue me.
--- "We've always been at war with Eastasia."
I married an American, which exempted me from needing H1 status. If I can do it...
Too many people do that just to get a job here. Obviously I am unaware of your particular situation but it doesn't sound much better.
We have a government obsessed with moral values yet we allow this sort of behavior just so people can get jobs that born/raised Americans need.
BTW -- My fiance just successfully landed a job by searching Monster and submitting resumes through there (she started earlier this month). I also landed this job by submitting my resume online. So I really don't think that online searching is "doomed".
Spying on people, killing innocents, bombing baby formula factories.
I don't care how bad the job market is, I will never, ever work for a force who will be used to invade small, third-world nations.
But since you're quite the ASSumption maker...
This is great because of your fantastic comment:
Were your ancestors native American, garcia? Judging from your name, not bloody likely. So you're guilty of the same crime you accuse me of.
Don't assume especially when I wasn't the one saying that I didn't have to get a work visa because I married someone. There was no reason to bring that up into the conversation unless you were promoting it as an option.
Re:I don't get it. (Score:1)
by VE3ECM (818278) on 11:53 AM November 19th, 2004 (#10865907)
You're right. You have no idea what "my" situation is, you sanctimonious jackass.
But since you're quite the ASSumption maker...
My wife wanted to move to Canada when we got married... she's a highly trained research scientist; she could get a job there in a second. I quit an even higher paying job then I have now to marry her and move to the US.
She wanted to move there because (in her opinion) it's safer, cleaner, friendlier, more liberal, and the general quality-of-life kicks the US in the ass.
I convinced her not to leave because I was not willing to separate her from her very close-knit large family.
I especially love your "...jobs that born/raised Americans need." comment. Priceless.
It's not priceless. Why should we be supporting marriages of convenience instead of jobs for Americans?
Keep your bigoted opinions to yourself next time.
Bigoted? No.
Sorry, I should have really previewed that comment. Fixed below:
But since you're quite the ASSumption maker...
This is great because of your fantastic comment:
Were your ancestors native American, garcia? Judging from your name, not bloody likely. So you're guilty of the same crime you accuse me of.
Don't assume especially when I wasn't the one saying that I didn't have to get a work visa because I married someone. There was no reason to bring that up into the conversation unless you were promoting it as an option.
I especially love your "...jobs that born/raised Americans need." comment. Priceless.
It's not priceless. Why should we be supporting marriages of convenience instead of jobs for Americans?
Keep your bigoted opinions to yourself next time.
Bigoted? Do you understand what that means? You think I am somehow against you because you are not from this country? I'm against you because you promote false marriage to get a job.
If you cannot find a job it's not because of the market, it's because you are not worth paying.
5 years of PHP experience does not qualify you as an advanced, or senior programmer in real business, if you have nothing to show for it.
I have a family member that just graduated from college and already has 5 moderate-to-high paying (plus one low) job offers in the IT industry!
I am not worried about my programming job, so why is everyone worried about theirs? Maybe they know they are over paid?
Because we know that's a BIG difference.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
And what was that drive to do something? Tear down all the forests, commit genocide against the 10 million people already here (now down to a few hundred thousand- 90% genocide rate is far better than Hitler did against the Jews), drive several species to the brink of extinction, and destroy the natural order over several million square miles? Immigration isn't just bad now- it's been bad for life on this continent since day one. Continuing a bad idea is just stupid.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
In other words "Lie to support our military".
Sounds Republican to me. Its odd how the Republicans praise their "values" when they whine that the truth is biased against them.
the U.S army is not a good school,,,,,it only teaches that killing in the name of god is o.k (he doesnt exist by the way) and makes innocent people into stupid killing machines,,we have the exmemple of the stupid bastard who shot an iraqui who was trying to fake death....he was shot in the head point blank!! nice going !!!!no wonder every nation hates you!
We don't require any certifications. What we want is excellent design and coding skills (C# and C++), solid experience with ASP.NET and COM and experience shipping at least one product. The latter is not required, but rather preferred.
I'm telling you, we're struggling to fill the open positions. You gotta understand that nationality of the worker doesn't make a difference for the employer. What does make difference is whether or not the guy/gal can do the job and do it well. If you want to force them to hire US workers, they'll just move their entire development teams overseas where the law climate is more friendly.
Now this will be a major win for US workers, wouldn't it?
There's another facet to the issue - offshore outsourcing. But there companies hire whoever they can for the lowest price. I think this bubble will eventually burst, because I've seen several projects done for our company in India (by employees, no less) that sucked major hairy balls and had to be redone. My experience with outsourcing is that quite often folks in India will do just enough to barely get by. If this means cut&paste all over the place - that's fine by their standards. You pretend you pay them well, they pretend they do a good job.
So... you're saying that managers are educated to advocate human rights abuses, slavery, and taking advantage of anyone in a weaker position than themselves? So much for fair labor laws.
Not that I'm surprised or disappointed. The world is not a nice place, plain and simple.
Mostly I'm wondering WTF is up with all the IT people whining about their job market. They were lucky to have that market and, if they spent it all rather than saving it, that's their own damned fault. My industry hasn't seen double digit raises, ever, that I'm aware of. My industry has never hired (the equivalent of) people who program a few lines of some script kiddie language (html + all of it's illegitimate children) for $80k, give them 35 hour workweeks, and 4 weeks of vacation.
I have no sympathy for the IT field. Finally you guys can start hanging on by your fingernails like the rest of us do.
+++ATHZ 99:5:80
Since they are not citizens, they should be taxed at a higher rate for the privilege of working here. The employers would have to pay them higher wages to compensate for the higher tax bracket, thus leveling the playing field for US citizens competing for the same job. This would increase the tax base in the US, still allow employers to hire the highest quality candidates, and force the employers to pay for this "top talent" appropriately.
--"I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it." Klaatu, The Day the Earth Stood Still(1955)