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MPAA Looks to Sniff Internet2 Traffic for Sharers
Danathar writes "It looks like the MPAA is pretty scared that Internet2 users are able to trade movies at high speed without them being able to know what's being traded, since you have to be a member of the Internet2 network to have a connection. As a result, they are asking to become a member."
Laws are designed to help us co-exist with each other, to respect one another and bring order and a set of rules to abide by so that we can pool in our interests and progress as a civilization.
People or "things" like RIAA and MPAA abuse these laws, which were written to help bring progress. They abuse them into filling their coffers with wealth that is meaningless when it does not really help anybody. More so when it happens at the expense of others, and at the expense of progress.
Internet2 is primarily designed for scientists and research organizations, to pool in their resources and create a powerful network to facilitate better research interaction. Experimental particle physics data goes over several gigabytes, cosmic ray measurements are tremendously huge, gene databanks are big -- this is the kind of information that these networks are built for. Sure, some kid may be misusing them, but the percentage of people doing this would be far too less to be of any consequence (it has come down from 30% to 7%).
People like MPAA just will abuse the system, bring in more bureacracy, more rules and more regulations that will hinder how genuine users will use the system. They will wrap it nice and dandy around money and laws, and buy out our corrupt politicians who will dance to the jingle of wealth. And in the progress, they just will affect real people doing real work.
They are dragging everyone to the level of technology that they can control. Rather than adapt to the new technologies and grow with it, they try and exert their control by legal battles and money. Why can't they admit and move on to an era where their policies and principles encourage the technology, rather than deter it?
I sincerely hope that they are not let on board the Internet2. And I sincerely hope that one day our society is rid of parasitic savages of the likes of MPAA and RIAA. They're the scum and a disgrace of our civilization. They are the true deterrents to progress.
I don't see any membership level listed in the I2 bylaws that would allow even a collaborative level of membership within I2. All of the current corporate members have something technical or educational to offer to the membership. The MPAA doesn't as far as I can tell. In fact it want sa regulatory voice within the oranization. Article I, Section 2 of the bylaws prohibit all non-Regular Members from having voting rights. Unless of course the I2 Board of Trustees rolls over and lets the MPAA in. Grrr...
How the world can change when you actually RFTFA. It's not as bad as the blurb makes it out - Warner is already a member. And the MPAA claims to have been "working with Internet2 for a while to explore ways we can take advantage of delivering content at these extremely high speeds, and basically manage illegitimate content distribution at the same time". But since the MPAA isn't a member of this "members only" network, they're probably just lying about how they've been working to deliver content. That first wild post is probably on the money, minus the credulous "journalism" on the News.com(.com!) site that can't even sniff that basic BS before just passing it on as gospel.
The same PR reports that "the MPAA is already working with the Cooperation for Education Network Initiatives in California group, which is seeking gigabit-speed connections for California communities by 2010". Look for MPAA sniffers anywhere that packets flow. Not that they don't have the right to look in "public" traffic for booty flying by that infringes their rights. But they'd improve their image a lot more by actually contributing some value to these networks that will earn them billions of dollars, rather than just lying about doing so just to get to install the meter.
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The real reason they want to be on: to scare college students off of i2hub. If you can, try it, you will start hating the normal p2p networks. Research be damned, I want to download a movie in 15 minutes!
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So, in order to spy on all the traffic between Internet2 nodes, such as a file sharing network connecting a few universities together (which would automatically use the Internet2 connection), they would need access to Internet2.
dtach - A tiny program that emulates the detach feat
At my university at least, there are two types of backbone links: a commercial, metered fiber connection(McLeod I think), and the Internet2/research backbones, which are dedicated links between universities. The reason there is filesharing on Internet2 is because universities generally try to route internet1 traffic destined of other universities over the Internet2 backbones- why use a more expensive commercial connection to go out to Level3 or whatever and then to the destination when you have a dedicated fast pipe? Actual "Internet2" access is still restricted to researchers (so Joe DormLover is not "logging into" internet2, his packets are going through a tunnel, invisible to him).
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Is Internet2 just going to become a huge VPN over the Internet or is it a completely segregated network infrastructure?
It's physically separate; that's why it's faster.
Several hours? Im at an internet 2 school... at I can download from a school on the opposite coast at 4mbs... a movie takes minutes, not hours to download.
I think they've seen what P2P has done to the music industry, and they're taking pre-emptive action.
What, pray tell, has P2P done to the music industry?
'cause the stuff I've read indicates that it's been a benefit. RIAA likes to bemoan the decline of sales, but it turns out that the decline is less than what one would have expected given the economic downturn; it appears, then, that P2P has actually increased album sales.
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...this may be a little of topic, but i saw an add from the MPAA in the local college newspaper that listed a bunch of usernames and partial IP's ala star wars opening back story. in bold it said 'is this you?' then at the bottom it was rated 'I' for illegal copyright infringment. the most disturbing part was the tag line at the very bottom. 'lawsuits begin in one week'. all i could say was WTF?
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Obviously you are not thinking about it... Think Internet2 (that's what this was about, right). Think a university. Think a dorm room. Think the university has no records of the "EUI" (that lower 64 bits that makes up your host field of the address) that you chose for that 5 minutes and then went on about your business (you can change it as often as you like and you don't have to ask anyone's permission or ask for another address). All they can do is isolate it down to a network and an SLA (that's a subnet in IPv4 lingo). It don't get you to the end user. And it don't get you into the past. And it don't make you telepathic.
/64 (unless you are an exceptional shmuck with only one subnet). The standard allocation is a /48. That's 65,536 subnets. You can get a /64 from Hurricane Electric just by filling out a form, no questions asked. Send them a message telling them you've got more than one subnet, and you can get a /48 for the asking. Freenet6 is handing out full /48 networks even easier and they are now shifting from 3ffe::/16 6bone (6bone is being retired in the next couple of years) to 2001::/16 production even now. Commercially, Verio (as I understand it) is charging $300 USD per month for a /48 to their commercial customers, native to the POP, in the US. The /48 still gets you to the network and a court order on the SLA might get you to the subnet, but there is still NO RECORD of who WAS using that privacy enhanced EUI WHEN it was in (ab)use.
Oh, and BTW, your ISP doesn't typically give you a
Now... For the home user, that's another story. Your network identifies a household and that's pretty tight. And, of course, all you home users can already use IPv6 any way you want (6to4 gives every IPv4 user an entire IPv6 NETWORK that you can use immediately without asking anyone's permission, including your ISP), and, yes, that's traceable to your IPv4 address. But, in real world IPv6 land, you can only get to the network (TLA/NLA) and subnetwork (SLA), if the user is assigning his own EUI (host) addresses, and you can't get any further without tracing on the subnet, when the activity is occuring.
You COULD set up tools on each subnet to log each IP address and each MAC address that was associated and what switch port (assuming you are using managed switches that can be quiried over SNMP for IPv6 type stuff) was in use for that operation, but I don't know of any tools available for that purpose at this time and it sure as hell isn't being logged anywhere.
So what if they come to your door demanding those logs! There are no logs to be had! It's stateless! No dhcp! No server! It's autoconfigured. God himself would have to have a time machine to figure out what IPv6 address you were on when they sniffed that traffic. If they get on NOW and they get the organization to log all activity through ALL their layer two switches, they MIGHT have a shot at catching you IF you hit the net again (and you weren't using IPSec or some other tunnelling mechanism)... Fat chance... Fat chance they will even get to the point where they even realize how badly they are screwed.
Better still, if you've got wireless involved (you better bet your sweet bippy that IPv6 native works just fine over 802.11* - I'm running it now). You can set up stand-alone wireless devices that sit out on the ether and throw IPv6 tunnels back over the Access Points they're sitting behind. Play IPv6 on P2P and tunnel it back to netland and no hard wire to be found (outside of the wall wart to power it). That's to say nothing of all these universities firing up 802.11 like they were stoking a blast furnice. Wifi to the Max and IPv6 to take it into orbit.
It's not impossible. Just a real BITCH compared to IPv4. A real major BITCH just to pony up to the bar and figure out how deep the well is just to begin searching... And that's where the fun begun.
I don't want to get sued for downloading a movie that I own a license for but is damaged.
Sigh. Have you read the copyright act? 17 USC? You don't have any license for the movie. Buying a DVD does not convey any rights to the copyrighted work it contains (17 USC 202). Further, DVDs are sold for private performance only, which is *not* a right exclusively reserved to the copyright holder (see the enumerated list at 17 USC 106). So you neither buy nor need any license in the copyrighted work. And while there may be a statutorily created right for private copying of sound recordings (aka music), as the Audio Home Recording Act has been interpreted (see the space shifting analysis in RIAA v. Diamond), and while computer software may be copied for backup purposes (17 USC 117), there is no carte blanche rule to "back up" by copying, and certainly not by downloading, a motion picture or audio-visual work. No, the motion picture contents of a DVD are not "software" (though the menus may be). See the definition for a "copy" in 17 USC 101. Thanks for playing.
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Few users? If I move a single bit from my university to another I2 university it goes over Abilene. Besides, we parked a packeteer on that link LONG AGO. TCP resets for all P2P. I think it does forward them eventually but after everything else.
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
Most large businesses give money to both parties. This link here shows what the "movie production" gave to the parties in the last 8 election cycles. It's almost 3 to 1 Democrat to Republican. I wouldnt say that the MPAA controls Bush.