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SwiftBoy writes "Elena, of motorcycling through Chernobyl fame has gone riding again, this time to dig up the history of Kiev's fortifications. Interesting that after 60 years all that stuff is still there."
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God dammit.. who the fuck cares if she didnt really ride a motorcycle alone at chernobyl.. the pics are real and are still powerful.. fuck
Because riding through Chernobyl on a motorcycle would be inherently risky, dangerous, unlawful and maybe even lethal. When a person claims they are portraying an event, with photographs, they are implying they actually experienced that event, unless of course we're in the realm of fantasy. Which would be fine.
But if a person neither deliniates the photo essay as a fantasy or indicates in some way that you are not seeing what you are being told, then you're letting your audience down, and you're spreading, basically, lies. It's called bad journalism. Some people might not care, like you, my little profane anonymous friend. But a lot of people do.
If this is all fake, this is one damn good fake.
What was supposedly fake about it anyway?
The photos of so many human bones. There's no chance in HELL these would be allowed to be left about after all this time. 'She' just finds too much good archaeological stuff for this to be real.
was the first to say "she was not allowed to be there, so she wasn't there...".
HOWEVER, once I found out it was faked, I was extremely upset. The original impact of the story was immediately gone, and I felt like I was cheated out of those emotions of awe and wonder. There's no way I'm going to go out on a limb again and trust anything that woman says.
There was a story here previously about the journalistic quality of blogs on the Internet and how they couldn't touch real journalism. I now understand what that's all about. IMHO, /. shouldn't be giving any credence to Elena after her previous scam was unearthed.
Condemnant quod non intellegunt.
Because riding through Chernobyl on a motorcycle would be inherently risky, dangerous, unlawful and maybe even lethal. When a person claims they are portraying an event, with photographs, they are implying they actually experienced that event, unless of course we're in the realm of fantasy. Which would be fine.
Nevertheless, some guys at IAEA had their fun with this website. A close friend of mine knows a few people who work for them in Vienna, and when he showed them the website, they were manically laughing and stating that if it was really true, she would die in about 2 years.
A monkey is doing the real work for me.
Interesting that after 60 years all that stuff is still there
It's that way in Germany, too. I know that in Hamburg, some of the major bomb shelters were so incredibly massive that they simply never tore them down. They put nightclubs in there now. You can see them pretty easily, they're these huge masses of concrete... one of the most touching things, besides the bombed-out cathedrals left unrestored, and the occasional Kennedyplatze or Eisenhowerstrasse you run into...
We don't really have a parallel here. This is one of the reasons that I believe that when Americans and Europeans think about war, they actually conceptualize very different things.
Even if her story was fake and she made herself a journalist by doing so, she did a darn good job convincing the readers. Anything presented on the web as the truth can be fake or real. It is viewer's responsibility to examine credibility and authenticity of each story and make most out of it. If you can't provide facts to back up your claims to discredit her story, then your allegation, without any valid proof, can be fake as well.
Her story being fake doesn't change the history of Chernobyl or the fact the area has been, and will be, abandoned for years. If she's told us lies, it is her stupidity and lack of integrity that made her a lier. Big deal. Maybe she just wanted to be in a spotlight. We believed in her story just like we believed in the allegations of Iraq's WMD programs. I believe there are more dangerous lies than hers, even if her story turned out fake. Her "trip," whether fake or not, revealed very significant and important information about the doomed area, and that's all matters to me.
She was not a journalist writing for a news publication. She had absolutely no responsibility to present facts and facts only. This is Internet, I can write about my dreams, about my aspirations, fantasies, etc. If I wanted, I could make a photo-gallery of me making a trip to the center of the Earth without any sort of disclaimers and that would not be unethical, that would not be misleading people. You are responsible for judging the validity of the content on the Net, not the author.
And note that Elena didn't ask for this publicity when the published the photos. It was just a little personal photo gallery for friends (and fellow motorcycle riders), nothing more. I've been in Berlin a few weeks ago and took some photos. My friends took some photos too. If I copy one of their pics (of a building or a monument that I didn't have a chance to photograph) and include it in my album, which I then post online for my other friends and relatives, would that be unethical? Would that be misleading? Now if that album was picked up by Slashdot and major media outlets, would it be right to call me a fake and a liar? I don't think so.
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I don't really care about the Chernobyl issue. Serpent's Wall was far more educational and entertaining, particularly "Elena's" sardonic sense of humour. Probably more honest also. Bring back fertility festivals!!
insecurity asks the wrong question irritation gives the wrong answer
Elsewhere downtown is mostly newer houses dotted with small clusters of stuff looking like 1880-1930. That's the hard hit places. I've also walked the wooded hills around Kaiserslautern where you'll often find those little round waterholes size ~4m. (10-15 ft). That's bomb craters - according to an old guy who lived there "they're bigger when new". Kinda tells something about why the idea of war is so repulsive to the average german.
Any sufficiently advanced libertarian utopia is indistinguishable from government.
There are no credible debunkings of this story. All debunkings are potentially just as filled with garbage as the original Elena writings are.
In any case, she is one hot chick that I would love to go on a motorcycle ride with.
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
Haha. Maybe the electric street lighting is another clue? Maybe the COLOR postcard?
That's not a photograph from 1240. It's recent photograph (obviously) of a recent postcard (also obvious) that shows something similar to what the Mongols saw when they got there.
Also, the "family" photograph states clearly that the family was killed in 1240 during the siege, and that the photograph shows the remains that were dug up much later, like when photography existed.